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Chapter 1: What are the latest reports on the Sedins' roles in the Canucks organization?
Hour two of Canuck Central. Is this the Evan Gold song? This is the Evan Gold song. So you searched Evan Gold into our music database and this is what came out? Yeah. It's called Golden Era. Golden Era. Well, it's not a golden era as far as Evan Gold is concerned in Vancouver.
Is he the executive version of like Marion Gabbard? Like the acquisition that never was?
Did he buy a barbecue somewhere? Yeah. Was he in town? Where was he seen? It's hype.
It's coming to town. But no. No. Doesn't seem it's turning that way.
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Yeah, Mitch and Victoria was texting in about... A lot of text coming in, yeah.
You want to read that one? Sure. Lest we forget, the fans had a lot of confidence in Trevor Linden when he was first hired. Then a segment of the fan base turned on him when he was forced out. Love the Sedins, but I hate how the Canucks seem to always want to surround themselves with legacy hires of some sort. I hope they don't get chewed up and spat out under the bus by this ownership group.
Yeah, and that kind of goes back to how there is some cynicism and some skepticism within the fan base when it comes to the Canucks landing on Rian Johnson and the Sedins being introduced to a bigger role. And they've seen this playbook to some extent in the past. It's a bit different, this one, because the Linden playbook 100% would have been higher the Sedins and then higher Evan Gold.
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Chapter 2: How does the fan base feel about the Sedins' potential promotions?
And again... We do know that the Sedins and Rian Johnson have a good working relationship. So this is not something that's being forced upon anybody. They're all in agreement here in terms of moving forward. So perhaps there's a level of semantics about autonomy versus power and who's a key decision maker or who's not and how you kind of go about this ultimately. And...
Like Josh Emission says, the Canucks need character people like these people, like the Sedins and Ryan Johnson. Culture starts at the top. And we've spoken so much about culture having to change. And that's a huge part of it. If you want to, on the macro level, look at the two most important things,
It's the culture side of things that allows you to have an environment where you're procuring good talent and developing that talent. It all goes hand in hand. You have those two pillars. I think as an organization, you're going to have success. The player evaluation part is something that we're going to find out.
From a character standpoint, I don't think anybody's questioning the Sedins and Ryan Johnson about how they carry themselves and also how they feel about the organization. These are people who... I mean, the Sedins live here year-round. They've donated millions of dollars to big charities. I mean, they love and care about our community. There are people that care about the crest.
These are two individuals who are now also pouring their heart and soul out into whatever they've been doing with the organization the past five years. They're not just being given this... because they're the right guys to give it to or in terms of just PR backlash or I can't speak for ownership. Maybe that plays a part into it.
But in terms of what the Sedins have done, they've actually put the work in. Now again, are they ready for this big of a jump or not? But nonetheless, these are two people who've come in and decided to... have the humility to start at the very bottom and work their way through every level to learn about the front office side of things and the coaching side of things.
And when you have people like that that are dedicated to the community, dedicated to the organization, and also exhibit the work ethic necessary, I think that's an important thing to have as an organization in terms of character while you're acing it.
Okay, so there's two thoughts. Again, we're kind of reacting to this all in real time. There's two thoughts that kind of stand out. To your point, you know, one of the things that we do talk about is like the candidate that comes in is going to have to understand like what it is this market is all about.
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Chapter 3: What are the implications of Rian Johnson's reported GM candidacy?
My head spins pretty easily. So... I'm kind of looking forward to figuring that like, I'm kind of looking forward to when they announce all this and getting these answers. Um, and I understand that like nature abhors a vacuum and so we're filling it, but I'm really curious. Like, I'm genuinely curious to see how this all plays out.
Um, you know, if you're telling me based on that clip that they're going to be the final decision makers ahead of Ryan Johnson, um, you know, like, which is kind of what we're just coming off of, aren't we?
Like with Jim Rutherford making the decisions, despite the fact that Patrick Alvin was fired for many of them, like the big ones, you know, and we think of the, the JT over bow, the re-signing Elias Patterson at the expense of your coach and, and, and in all honesty, um, not completely, but tie that into the Quinn Hughes. There's so much there. Doesn't mean that they're not the right choice.
Doesn't mean that they can't be really effective in that role. I just, I do find it really interesting to read Thomas's piece this morning about, you know, that this whole thing is being conducted by Jim Rutherford. And I think that's great. As opposed to just the owner on his own going out and choosing the next ones.
I think a more collaborative effort, including someone with the experience of Jim Rutherford is important. And yet again, I can't help but sort of look at, you know, the way things have gone. I know you guys have talked about this, like what's his legacy from his time here? And he's a guy I look at first when it comes to where they've landed, to be honest with you.
And I said this after Alvin paid the price for that. that it felt like it needed to go higher up for there to be true accountability. And yet now you've got an active role. And so I'm confused by some of it. I'm excited by some of it. I'm curious to see where it all comes out. You won't find better people than Rian Johnson and the Sedin twins. I mean, you just don't.
And yet they've been around as this culture has become as toxic as it has. And so how much of that is, like, you know, they see it. But maybe it just wasn't their job before to speak up, to play a more active role in trying to change it. And maybe if you give them the ability to take that role, we'll see some of that start to change.
And again, I've said this many times before, it's not in the locker room. It ends there. It's a part of it. but it starts much, much higher up in this organization. And so if they're at the top of it, then maybe there's a chance to finally see some change in terms of, you know, making this a place, not only where, where, where players want to come to play, but where people want to come to work.
And, and, you know, I'm also curious to see as this all pans out, how much we get out of the Evan gold camp in terms of how this panned out and, and how close it was. And, you know, as Farhan said, reported on Twitter earlier tonight or X or whatever we're calling it these days. You know, what does overplayed his hand mean? Does that mean wanted more staff? Does that mean wanted more money?
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Chapter 4: How does ownership influence decision-making in the Canucks organization?
You can, you can make that pudding over and over again, wherever the hell you make pudding, because there's lots of time, there's no pressure. You know, and again, it will be really interesting to see, like, you know, like, it'll start with the coaching staff, you know, which they were very close with. What's, what decisions are made there.
Um, you know, the ability to sort of separate relationships, I guess a lot of people wanted something that was clean and new and totally different. And I can see where there are parts of this that echo past moves. And I, and so because of that, I think it's fair to have some skepticism and
But at the end of the day, until you see what they're able to do with this opportunity, I think you have to grant them the chance to sort of show that. I'm excited for it just because it isn't totally new and different. And that's what a lot of people were hoping for. I mean, I've talked about this before. I was hoping for change right up to the top and a new approach.
something that looked a little more modern, that wasn't old school, that maybe started to unearth some areas where there are still advantages to be had in hockey because it's so far behind other things. But just because we're not getting that doesn't mean it's the wrong decision, especially when you're talking about people of the caliber of the Sedins and Ryan Johnson, like include him in that.
And I would assume whether it's now or later, perhaps a Manny Malhotra as well. Like how many times have I talked about the culture going all the way to the top in terms of how this organization treats people, including its people outside of players and outside of the highest paid coaches and executives, how they treat their people. I have a hard time believing that.
if they have the ability to make changes in that, that they won't, if they truly do. And that's what it's going to take for this organization to get back to being a place, not just where players want to come, but where people want to come to work. And so, you know, new voices with everything they've done right down to community.
I was just supposed to say everything they've done in this community. will we see a resetting of that standard and that expectation from players?
Not that you have to be the Sadeen twins and donate well over a million dollars to Children's Hospital, but the things that they were brought up in and exemplified best in this organization, and Ryan Johnson, again, many part of this conversation, but what it meant to be a Canuck when the Canucks were at their apex, hopefully...
having their voices at a higher level in the organization also brings some of that back. Not that they're going to, they were always a lead by example, not by telling people what to do when they were in the locker room.
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Chapter 5: What concerns do fans have about legacy hires in the Canucks front office?
But one thing that I am keeping a very close eye on here is, what does it look like in the front office in terms of how things are built out? Who's the key talent evaluator? How are you going about the development side of things? They have people in place already. What are you doing about that?
I think that process as well, and that's something that could take a little bit longer even after a announcement is made, might be the... the biggest indicators about how this thing might go moving forward.
I think you can even go like, you can even go closer to the locker room, like in terms of, you know, again, not having, not pretending to have the answers, but suggesting that some of what we heard in the, in the post season deserves more questions and follow up, you know, from the players in terms of,
you know, some of the procedures that were had and the way they landed there and how they got there and the way they're handling that side of things. Again, not having all the information, it's not a criticism, but it's a, boy, did it leave you with more questions?
Like, and this is where that becomes a tough, you know, from coaching staff to medical staff to the rest of the front office, like they've built relationships with all these people. You know, I think a lot of what we saw after Jim Rutherford, like, after he came here and changed out, a lot of things were all based on relationships and having people around you that, you know, you can trust.
I understand that, that, that has real value and that can be important. Um, but to a certain extent, you know, and I've said this before too, like you don't get to where they, where they are right now as an organization, if a lot of things aren't working at a, at an optimal level. And so, um,
Even if you have relationships with the people who are involved in a lot of those levels, you need to be asking those questions. And again, that's why I think a lot of people were hoping for changes to ensure that, you know, some of those questions got asked.
But that's not to say that somebody coming from the outside wouldn't have come in and just made changes, as Rutherford did, by just bringing in his people from past organizations. Because this is the spinning cycle of the National Hockey League, right? You bring in your people and you all help keep each other employed. It's the way it goes.
And I'm hoping that with these changes, the ability to... be more introspective as an organization and willing to make changes if indeed they need to be made, um, becomes a part of this.
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Chapter 6: How do the Sedins' community contributions affect their credibility?
You go back to, you know, the history of their great goaltenders, and we've seen them go on runs as well with Carey Price. Jacob Dobish has been fantastic, and it's funny because there was goaltending was a big problem in Montreal this season with the... The amount of players that kind of went through that position and their struggles. But is Dobish playing as the best goalie in the playoffs?
And if he keeps this up, can you win a cup with him?
Well, best goalie in the playoffs has been Freddie Anderson, followed closely by Linus Allmark. And Andre Vasileski is pretty damn good in the first round. But Dobish is right up there, especially as he's piling up, you know, with an opportunity here in the second round to keep going. Can you win a cup with him? Of course you can.
The Edmonton Oilers got to within a win of the cup with Stuart Skinner. There's a bunch of different things interesting about Dobish's situation, not the least of which I think people outside of the Montreal market might not even be aware of this or have forgotten it. Montreal fired its goalie coach in January. And if you look at the success that Dobish has had,
I mean, the potential was always there. The inconsistency was there as well. But if you look at both him and Jacob Fowler, because for as much as they're anointing him, And he's getting and earning those comparisons to Price and Dryden and Patrick Waugh and all these great rookies that have done great things for the Montreal Canadiens.
Like Jacob Fowler is probably a more highly regarded prospect right behind him. But both of them, after making the change to Marco Marciano as their goalie coach, have excelled. Their numbers have been off the chart within a week of that change. And the interesting thing about it is is this is where we talk about investing in good people and spending the money to retain them.
Marco Marciano had been in Laval for the longest time. I won't say like over a decade and actually turned down the Detroit Red Wings goalie coaching job this past summer, which is kind of a, there's a double-edged sword there. One, Montreal recognized they were going to lose a guy who'd been great for their organization for years and upped his pay in Laval.
And two, the Detroit Red Wings don't pay crap. As a matter of fact, there are other teams in the American Hockey League that pay as much as they're paying their NHL goalie coach. So Detroit didn't make it attractive for him to leave, even though it's one of 32 NHL jobs. And the American League team made it attractive for him to stay.
And because of that, you had an option when you felt you needed to make the change to the goalie coach. And both guys have been exceptional ever since. Dobish has incredible tools. You see the length. You see the size. You see the athleticism. It's reigning it in and playing it in a more controlled way, especially east-west. We think of depth as north-south.
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Chapter 7: What challenges might the Sedins face in their new roles?
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Are we doing updates for everything? For what? Just this whole GM executive search?
Oh, yeah. You want to do a quick update for those wondering?
Nick Kiprios has tweeted, expected announcement for Rian Johnson in the next 24 hours.
Well, there you go. Yeah. So Woodley was right. I'm not saying we bumped them because we know an announcement is coming tomorrow. I'm just saying. Not saying that. This has been a tough producing week. I'm not going to lie. It has been. I mean, overrated, underrated might get pushed tomorrow. Everything might get pushed tomorrow. Might happen. We'll see. I mean, we'll still do it.
We'll just do it one day later. Overrated, underrated. Rian Johnson, the Sedins. We'll get Rian Johnson or Daniel Henrik Sedin to do overrated, underrated. I'm sure they'll love it. Movie theater popcorn. Who eats more, you or Henrik? Yeah. The Jays Care 50-50 presented by Kintec Footwear and Orthotics is now live.
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