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Chapter 1: What trade did the San Jose Sharks make involving Michael Kesselring?
It's Canuck Central on a Wednesday coming to you live from the Kintec studio. Step strong with orthotics and footwear from Kintec. It's Satyar Shah with Bic Nizar.
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And this hour of Canuck Central is brought to you by your Lower Mainland Boston Pizza. Catch every soccer match this summer. Order a Michelob Ultra and receive a limited edition Keeper Cup. No matter who you're cheering for, enjoy every moment at your local Lower Mainland Boston Pizza. What's happening, Vic? Let's go. Halfway through the week. A little bit closer to the draft.
Getting closer to the draft. And you know what's been great at Killing Time? Watching footy? It's been spectacular. Absolutely spectacular. I've been enjoying it very much. Waking up in the morning, get a quick workout in and just watch soccer all the way until I get to work. Go home and then watch some more soccer before you go to bed.
Chapter 2: How is San Jose creatively building their team for the future?
Can't take my eyes off it, man.
Like, the goals are just so nice. They're just...
The golazos, man. Yeah. Golazos. It's unbelievable. Josh, do you have a thought? Soccer's fun, man.
I might be a soccer guy now. Now you're a soccer stan? I'm all in. And then I'm going to try to watch soccer after, and I'm going to be like, why is it on so early? How come they're playing at 4 a.m.? Should be playing at like noon.
No, this is honestly like, in my lifetime, so far through a week,
The funnest World Cup. I think the only time I had more fun watching the World Cup was when I was 10 years old in 94, growing up in Sweden. And Sweden made that miracle run. When you're at a young age as well, everything's so magical. So to me, every match I was watching in 94, I was just enthralled. And this is the first World Cup since.
And I've enjoyed every World Cup, but I'm getting similar feelings. Even watching the Austria-Algeria match last night, I was like... I was so geeked up watching that whole thing. Who would have thought Jordan versus Austria at 9 p.m. on a Tuesday was going to captivate my attention for two hours, and that's exactly what happened.
I do think part of it is the volume of matches. You have no pause to consider, hey, what just happened? It's almost like binge-watching a season on Netflix or something like that. The matches just keep rolling. You're like, all right, next match, let's go. All these teams, it feels like they're trying to one-up each other, and there was fantastic goals in every match. Yeah, unreal.
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Chapter 3: What is the significance of Jake DeBrusk being on the trade target list for CBJ?
But obviously, the big one's coming up tomorrow. Qatar against the host nation, Canada, at BC Play. So we'll have some fun with that as well. Keep getting your thoughts into our Dunbar Lumber text inbox, 650-650. So, there's some people who are like, well, I'm not, you know, rocking and laying. I'm trying to get into soccer. I just can't. But happy for everybody that is into it.
Every sport's not for everybody. Yeah. Fine. But, hey, at the end of the day, if you're enjoying it, enjoy it. If not, well, find other things to do.
But it's nice, like, I don't want to say palate cleanser, but it's a nice appetizer to your day right now to, like, wake up, as you mentioned. You're like, immediately, sports are on. Yeah. Like, great, let's go. And, you know, Rather than waiting till 7 o'clock puck drop, it's like immediately sports are on in the day.
Great way to start the day. Yeah, you're greased up, ready to go the whole day. Greased up. Greased up.
How do you start your day? Watching soccer all oiled up. Yeah, man.
What do you do? I'm getting older, man. It's creaky mornings. Takes me a while to get going, you know? That's where it's at. Just getting greased up. Grant says, 2006 World Cup, Italy. Guy grows his hair out and he's like, grease lightning, baby. Pretty much. Pretty much. More or less.
it's what's happening you know that's all you know every time we mention sat's hair he touches his hair for like 10 seconds no i know it's just like i get all subconscious um yeah me too yeah vick's like vick's just rubbing his scalp bro if i had hair like sat i'd be just doing just well you have a lot of hair too what are you talking about if i i was like you actually you might have more hair than i do
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Chapter 4: What are the implications of trading down in the NHL draft?
And let's get to the open, which is brought to you by FiberTech, your exclusive dealer of house or roll luxury plumbing fixtures. Visit their state-of-the-art showrooms and experience centers in Surrey, Vancouver, and Coquitlam, or check out FiberTechBC.ca. Another trade in the National Hockey League. You too hyped? I am. This is what we were talking about, kind of.
Yesterday, you guys were just like going off about it. It's like, oh, the Sharks are trading down a spot to get a D, man. It's like, yeah, they had other options.
But listen, we can still do it. Yeah. Well, I mean, here's the thing. Yeah, they can still do it.
No, honestly, they can't.
It doesn't change anything. But the San Jose Sharks acquired Michael Kesselring, who's a right shot defenseman with size, had a tough year. He was acquired by the Buffalo Sabres in the J.J. Paterka trade alongside... Josh Doan this past offseason, and he was injured this year. His year didn't really go well, and Buffalo has one year of control left. He's RFA, and then he's going to be UFA.
So what happened was the San Jose Sharks acquired Michael Kesselring from the Buffalo Sabres in exchange for the 27th overall pick. and San Jose traded away the 20th overall pick. So essentially, San Jose went down seven spots in the first round and got a potential top four defenseman, at the very least, a third pair of defensemen, being a righty. It's a creative move for San Jose.
And for all the talk that we've had about should San Jose use a second overall pick to get a defenseman, whether it's trading down from that spot or as people have proposed to us, Bick, Can the Canucks acquire... Can the Canucks send Filip Hronik to San Jose for the second overall pick?
And the thing we've been talking about is they don't have to trade the second overall pick to address their blue line, or at least outright. And here is a creative way for them to get what they need and still maintain a first-round draft pick. And these are the types of deals that you want to see rebuilding teams do, especially when...
you don't live in a world where you can weaponize the cap like we talked about doing in the past. This is another creative way you can move up and down in a draft, potentially, and still address your needs. And that's something that I think that Canucks should be pursuing in different ways.
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Chapter 5: How can the Canucks leverage their draft picks effectively?
We don't want to deplete the picks. We want to just move back in the draft and treat the acquisition as if we gave up a second round pick or a late second, high third. And as you mentioned, it's a creative way to go about it. It's not a huge, like, punitive measure to go down seven spots to get something into your NHL roster.
And actually, like, until he arrived this season in Buffalo, Kesselring was kind of one of those intriguing...
five like four or five tweener D man and hey let's see what's going to grow for him didn't go too well in Buffalo and their season was kind of up and down and he may have been part of that as well and having his conflict within that as well so I like this proposition bet for San Jose you get a functional player who can play minutes for you you move down seven spots which just you know pending how your tears go and
You should still be in a range that you might get someone you really like. And you didn't have to deplete any draft picks for it. You just moved down. This felt more like an NFL trade, to be honest.
And the benefit for Buffalo is you get a top 20 pick. going up seven spots. And when you look at this year's draft, it's really fascinating when trying to craft your own tiers, and everyone has their own list. But you can come up with about 24 to 26 players, or 24 to 25, now everybody's list is somewhat different, that you would say are very... within the top three tiers.
So if you're Buffalo, for instance, by moving up those seven spots, you're ensuring that you're getting a top 20 player on your list, which is not insignificant because Bo from Burnaby is asking, what is the motivation for Buffalo? Well, number one, it's to move off Kesselring because it didn't work out. They have other needs on the back end. They have their own budgetary concerns.
They got to pay Bo and Byram. There are things they have to figure out already.
He's in need of a contract, right? He's an RFA right now. And for a team that's kind of pressed up against it, Not having to pay someone else on the 2026 books matters for them.
And if you're a team like Buffalo and they've amassed so many draft picks and they have later round picks, they've had all these things, to get a higher quality pick would be more of a motivation for them to ensure they're getting a top 20 prospect. And if you're picking 20th, you're most likely getting a top 15 player on your list because as we've talked about, every team has a different list.
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Chapter 6: What are the potential trade scenarios for Jake DeBrusk and the 14th overall pick?
Yeah, and to me, that's a smart way of doing it. Like, I'd rather go up the seven spots about Buffalo than say getting a late second round pick or a third even or something along those lines. Like to me, that's a better way of going about it. Now for Vancouver, though.
Well, this is where it gets interesting because there is a report by Aaron Portsline in The Athletic who is very plugged in when it comes to the Columbus Blue Jackets. And he put together a list of potential trade targets for the Blue Jackets. And lo and behold, the Canuck is on the list. Brock Besser. It's not. It's Jake DeBrusque. I was going to say, it's not Brock Fester. It's Jake DeBrusque.
Man, you had me there in the first half.
You should do that every time you talk about a player. Elias Patterson was not traded.
Well, on Elias Patterson, we'll get to him in a moment. We'll get to it in a moment. Jake DeBrusque is on the list. And the thing that made everybody kind of raise their eyebrows was Portsline saying Columbus has the 14th overall pick. that could be something that Vancouver would be okay with. I'd say they would be more than okay with getting the 14th overall pick for Jake DeBrusque.
And as much as, and I'm not questioning anything Portsline's saying, and I'm not saying he was reporting they would trade the 14th overall pick. It's just one of the things you kind of mentioned earlier. It's like, hey, this could be the price range potentially. I would still be shocked, Bick, but in a good way, if the Canucks get a top 15 pick straight up for Jake DeBrusque.
If we use the same logic that applied to San Jose and Buffalo, is there a way to say, again, there was not like, oh, 14th straight up. Is there a combination of things we can piece together to say, okay, that actually does make sense. And again, it would be the creative way of doing it, not just... The thing we've talked about is DeBrusque's value. Second and a third kind of deal.
Well, if you took 24 second and a third, could that get you to 14? That's kind of the range, to be honest. Do you use that as a template to say, hey, we'll just move up in the draft? Well, there are three options for Vancouver here.
In theory... 24 and DeBrusque for 14, which to me probably feels more realistic. You're going up 10 spots, which is, again, for Vancouver, I'd be okay with that. Ideally, though, you move one of your second round picks. They have two. Would you do, say, 33 for 14? Or the best case scenario would be 41 and Jake DeBrusque for 14.
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Chapter 7: What factors are influencing the Canucks' trade decisions?
I just imagine the team's going to be like, no, we're good.
Yeah.
You have three other picks sitting there. Like, come on, be serious. The easiest one is just 24. And, like, that to me is like, yeah, if you're trying to go 10 spots, again, it would be larger than what we're talking about today. And, okay, DeBrus probably has more value than Kesselring. Should have more value than Kesselring. Yeah. So it would cost more to get to 14.
14 is also, once you get into the early teens.
Now you're talking about like top 10, you're valuable where you want.
So like the 14, the early teens, and that's where 14 kind of falls in, is significantly more valuable than 20. It's six spots, but in terms of like the actual draft grade on it, it is significantly more valuable. And that to me would be more realistic. And I would be all for it. If the Canucks traded 24 and Nebraska 14, I'd applaud them.
I'm just, like when I saw that today, it's, What, 14th overall? Because that's now you're in the Debrinket-style trade, right? Like, that was a high pick, and... De Bruyne gets upside is 40 goals, whereas De Brusque is 30. And that really stands out.
I just have a hard time seeing it. But again, I'd be pleasantly surprised and absolutely ecstatic if the Canucks were able to get the 14th overall pick straight up. I think it would include moving some pick to go the other way. Would you be against 24 in De Brusque? No.
That's 10 spots. Yeah. I think that makes all the sense in the world. And same thing for what we were chatting earlier. It's like you would maintain your draft pick surplus, right? It'd be one thing to try to move up from 24 to using 41 and all that. But if you're just going to swap out the picks for Jake DeBrusque, that makes sense. And you retain having the four picks in the first 41.
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Chapter 8: How will upcoming events shape the NHL draft and trades?
Yeah, because I think if you're looking at getting a 14th pick, there's a chance you get a top two-tier player. Now, it depends on how you view that tier. Like, for me, like, the way I view this draft is the first two tiers, it's McKenna, Stenberg, Reid, Carls, Verhoff, Smits, Malhotra, and Bjork. That's eight players. I don't think any of those eight will be there at 14.
No, there's usually, like, a customary, like, this is the tier that... And you see where the break is.
Now... Given how this draft doesn't have a ton of consensus, I wonder if some teams even have a guy like command in that second tier. I know you like Ryan Lynn a lot. Yeah. We've heard a lot about the two big Swedish defensemen, Hawkinson and Gustafsson. Are they going to be higher on the list? Some teams love Oscar Hemming, for instance.
Does he kind of be viewed as a guy that's in that tier two? Even Ethan Belkits is a guy who's been kind of mentioned as potentially a tier two player. So there's a chance that some team, whether I don't know if the Canucks are here, but that second top two tier extends to 12 or 13 players. And if that's what you're looking at, you might be getting that player at 14.
So I'd much rather get the 14th overall pick as opposed to getting second and third round picks.
Yeah, it goes to the same, you know, I've mentioned this philosophy before, but, you know, I'll take the loonie over the quarters, right? You can give me four quarters, but I'm going to hang on to the loonie. So if you're telling me you can get a second and a third, or you can have a 14th overall pick, I want the best asset in a trade every single time.
Because, A, you present yourself with more options. If you wanted to, if there's a situation where Columbus really wants DeBrusque and this is how you solve it. Well, having the asset of 14th overall to say, hey, we'll just trade back from 14 to 20 and maybe we'll get some pieces in the future. Like you give yourself more options with more currency. Yeah.
So having the best asset, even if you want to sit there and maybe it's a Cullen, maybe it's a Morozov, and you can pick them. Or he's like, hey, now we own 14th pick, and now we can play around with this idea. When you have the player, and especially a player on a term deal, you're... pigeonholed a little bit with what your options are because you need someone interested with it.
But when you have 14th overall, it's just, it's a lot easier to kind of move around the board and continue to amass value.
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