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Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
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Will it inspire teams to change how they do business and how they operate? We always have this discussion, right? Who are we copying? Who are we copying now that they won the Stanley Cup? And it's interesting because Carolina has won. There are elements of what they do that you can try to emulate.
It doesn't mean you will have the success, but they have conducted business a bit different than most other teams.
Yeah, they're the cat and the copycat all of a sudden. But there's elements too, like the spending well below the cap this year. You know, it's not the right thing. I don't want to support this, but if you're an owner, you're like, wait, I can save a lot of money and fuel the competitive product in an era right now where we're talking about huge cap growth.
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Chapter 2: What led to the Carolina Hurricanes winning the Stanley Cup?
And not every decision is going to work. You know, there's a phrase I love to use of if you're making, if you're winning 100% of your trades, you're probably not making enough trades. Yeah. The goal is to like continue to mine value, to continue to go through and explore every opportunity. You know, the ranting in thing, specifically ranting in. Okay, that thing didn't work.
But the situation worked out for them because it parlayed into what the next thing is. And so they found the next opportunity. most efficient way to use that roster slot and the money. And obviously we talk about Stankoven and we talk about Hall and all those downstream effects of having that asset. They just found a way to make all of those things work.
And, you know, I look at the parallel of these two teams right now. We're talking about the Knicks and we're talking about the Hurricanes. It's like two teams that did things very... against the grain of how we talk about roster building in 2015 and onwards.
Well, and the really funny thing about the Knicks, and I mean, there are two takeaways. My main takeaway is you can win with a problematic owner. I mean, Dolan and all the things that he's gone through. The thing that blew my mind so much was, and you messaged me about this on the weekend, we grew up during an era where the Knicks always had some sort of drama or some issues going on.
The closest they got was losing the finals against the San Antonio Spurs after Ewan got injured, but Ewan got hurt and all these other things happened. And it was Tim Duncan starting... you know, the next Spurs dynasty that ended up overtaking them. But that was essentially the only time they looked like they were on the verge of doing something.
And it's always been one step forward, two steps back. James Dolan creating a mess of a situation. One step sideways, four steps back. He just assumed like the way he conducts business and how the Knicks have gone as an organization, as long as he's the owner, you're not going to win a championship. And sports are funny sometimes because you can still do it.
And I wouldn't even say the Knicks did so many great things behind the scenes. Their biggest hit was they got Jalen Brunson for like, what, 80 to 100 million less than what he could have got elsewhere. And he said, I want to come and play in New York. This is what I want to do. And he ended up inspiring more people to come and he took a next step. Like, they hit the jackpot with Jalen Brunson.
And is that even something you can emulate? Essentially, Conor Bedard says he's coming back to Vancouver.
I don't even think it's that because there was Brunson and Luka, right? It's like... Who's the understudy that you're looking at? It's like, oh, we got to get that guy. Frank Nazar.
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Chapter 3: What are the implications of internal salary caps in the NHL?
They were high draft picks, but it took until 2008 for them to become legitimate superstars. You went from being a point-per-game player to winning hard trophies. Like, they took a monumental leap. The conversation around the Sedins back in... in the West Coast Express era and the era... Post-lockout. Post-lockout.
And even after they traded Naslin was, the Sedins are really good, but are they true, you know, first-line franchise caliber players? Maybe they're best as your second line. They're point-per-game players, but maybe not your franchise-driving stars. Or Sebastian Ajo. That's a second-round pick who's now number one center on a cup-winning team. But they found that level and they got to that level.
So a lot of it comes down to that luck portion of things. But I think the Knicks... story is essentially, can you find a superstar like Jalen Brunson who just wants to come and play for you and is willing to take significantly less than any other market? And I'm not sure those are things you can emulate. That's why the Knicks one seems like such a magical, incredible run.
And it's like, hey, it gives you hope that, hey, if the Knicks can win, maybe the Canucks can win. And for me, as a Browns fan, hey, if James Dolan can win, can Jimmy Haslam win with the Browns? Like, hey. Right. Right? So that's part of me that thinks about it. Whereas with the Carolina Hurricanes, I think there are more sustainable...
and more applicable avenues that you can look at that they took that you can try to emulate to give yourself some success. But even so, to your point about a copycat league, we always talk about try be like that organization. There isn't one way to win. There isn't one blueprint to winning. There are many blueprints to winning.
Now, I will say, as it is being texted in as well, the other thing that really stands out is... Building through the middle.
Yeah.
Like, with Ajo and Jordan Stahl, they had a lot of, like, defensive rigidity down the middle of the ice. Yeah. That showed itself out the rest of the way. Like, all the guys combined. The four check like madness, of course. But, like, I look at that group and Jordan Stahl ends up getting the Conn Smythe.
That is a defensively sound group down the middle. It really is. And, you know, the thing I was thinking about, and I couldn't craft, like I was thinking of putting, you know, a tweet out, but I'm so uninspired by social media nowadays. And I was trying to think of one where Jordan Stahl, and I couldn't, you know, I'm just like, whatever, I gave up on it.
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Chapter 4: How can teams like the Vancouver Canucks learn from Carolina's success?
I do think that's true, but at the same time, when you're picking high, you still look at having a good baseline of defensive ability as well and also offensive ability more than anything else. Now, before we get out, Because we've been doing the draft simulator. We got to get to the draft simulator because we only have... How many more to go? We have five.
Are we doing one on... Are we doing one on the Friday of the show? Yeah, let's do it. Why not, right? So we have 10 to go then? Because that doesn't jinx anything. No, it's just, you know, we're just spinning the wheel. We've already, you know, we've already done the... We've already jinxed everything. Yeah, we've done anything else already. So we only have 10 more of these to go.
And so far, we've had a pretty nice selection of different players who've been drafted third overall. So let's get to the third wheel, which is our draft simulator to find out who the Canucks are getting with the third overall selection in this year's draft. Spin the wheel.
Ah, yes. Classic wheel. All right. Today's... Winner in the weighted wheel is Chase Reed. Chase Reed, come on down.
All right, Chase Reed. And you know, it's funny because the combo has been so much about how the Canucks are taking Caleb Maholtra third overall, and that's who they have their eye on no matter what. And maybe McKenna, if he falls, people will have doubts about Stenberg, even if he's available at three. I'm not so sure on that. But I think the Chase Reed one's fascinating. That outcome?
Listen, I don't know who the Canucks have third overall. It might be Caleb Malhotra, but I don't think Chase Reed is that far off. Like, it wouldn't shock me if all of a sudden we're sitting here on the draft and McKenna and Stenberg go and we're all assuming Caleb's going to be the third pick and all of a sudden Chase Reed gets taken.
Like, I wouldn't sit here and be like absolutely floored if that's the outcome.
It would... The defense would basically be set then. Yeah. Right? You'd have three guys all under the age of 22. There you go. Yeah. That's in three very high picks as well.
And it's funny because... Chase is so talented offensively. He didn't explode offensively. So there is a level of projection. And it's similar to Caleb in some sense where you're projecting that his traits are going to take him to that next level. And as much as the production wasn't there, you see other signs that he should be there and that he can take that step.
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