Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
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Sat just, like, gaslit me eight seconds before the show. I was like, screw this. All right, let's start the show. Something about Bic and golf balls. Don't even get into it anymore. I've had a tough day, and Sat, like, wasn't even part of the story.
just like sidles by drive by shot at me and i was like screw this play the music uh yes he's had a tough day and and i did what a good friend and i did what a good friend does and that's just make it more heels man the culture of this this is a broken culture in this place
You show up with any level of vulnerability, we just like poke at it.
I think this is a recovery method for Sat from the other day for the Canucks losing the lottery. Honestly, this is the worst environment to come in for looking for sympathy. It happens to all of us at one point, and it's so triggering. I totally get it when we've done it to people too in the past. This is a toxic work environment. What is Canberra doing around here? First day back. First day back.
He's just looking at us.
What's more toxic, the Canucks locker room or this environment here? Yeah, who's bullying who? I mean, I have been known as a JT Miller of 650. Maybe, just maybe. Maybe, just maybe.
Oh, man.
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Chapter 2: What cultural issues arose during Rutherford's tenure?
Yeah, to failing into it. But that's the way I view it. We might look at it, I'd say, maybe more positively because of the byproduct of what happened in the end, not because of the era itself was successful.
Yeah, that's the best-case scenario, like 3 out of 10 kind of thing. Right? It's still like, oh, it got so bad that, A, you needed to remove people from the process. People left the situation and then are currently... riding off into the sunset, right? There's a retirement, a quitting, and a firing in this whole process here. Those aren't really great outcomes. So Luke, 650-650.
So you're saying they successfully failed. Yeah. In a way, it's a... Again, if the draft picks work and if the trade for Quinn Hughes, the reward is William becomes a bona fide top-pairing D-man and is running a power play, like, Very, very good outcomes.
Here's the thing. The Canucks would not have had success in the West Coast Express era if they hadn't made the Linden trade. Because the Linden trade was a trade that kept on giving. It turned into the Sedins. It turns into Longo. It continues on for so long in terms of giving this organization lifeblood to stay competitive and become a better hockey team.
And that's the best case on the Quinn Hughes trade that we look back at it and say, hey, without that trade, they would not have been able to move forward into a different era. But that's not to say that the execution was successful or that what you did was a good job in terms of the overall structure. And sometimes things conspire against you. You can have the best intentions.
And the point that Jim has made is, hey, we thought we were on the right track. We did not anticipate that the locker room was going to implode the way it did. And that was really the main reason why we had to pull the plug on things. And those things do happen. Sometimes things are out of your control. But at the same time,
regardless of things happening that are out of your control, it falls on your ledger. It's still your era. It's still your tenure and your legacy on the line in terms of Vancouver. I don't think it changes anything for Rutherford long-term in terms of how he's viewed across the league because he's a Hall of Famer. He's one of Stanley Cups. So I don't think this is going to be a blemish.
And I think the way that he's gone towards the end here where he gets to kind of go out on his own accord to some degree takes away the whole idea of he got fired in Vancouver or whatever it happened. So he gets to have a graceful exit. But the tenure here in Vancouver, you can't view it as being successful because the man he picked as GM is gone.
Now you're looking at a completely different regime that's going to be taken over.
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Chapter 3: What is the ideal front office structure for the Canucks moving forward?
That team was not as young as this one that they had to dismantle. And fair point overall. And like I said, I think the only way you can look at it as being a positive is the way we look at it and say, hey...
Those players that came in, whether it's a Wielander, hopefully, whether it's a DPD, whether it's the trade that brought Rossi, Booyum, and the first round pick in Orgrin in, they would look back and say, hey, that nucleus was at least formed and that allowed the team to move forward. But that's something that also is dependent on that being successful down the road.
And that actually turns into a better era of Canucks hockey in many ways. And I think the question now is... What's the ideal structure moving forward?
What do you have to prioritize in terms of putting together a new age front office or a front office that can take this team through a rebuild and turn this team into a contender, especially with how business is conducted in the year 2026 in professional sports?
They just need a forward-thinking group. Like, more than anything. I don't know if you're going to scout your way out of this one.
I think there are so many things that have to come together for you to get out of a rebuild. One thing that's very clear about hockey, and we've spoken to Shane about this and others as well, hockey trails behind the other major leagues like baseball, especially baseball. I mean, they're so data-driven.
And I'm not even talking... When I talk about data-driven, I'm not even saying analytics on players. It's essentially... ways for you to evaluate everything you're doing in your organization. So it's like, hey, what about our developmental process? Well, how do you evaluate a developmental process? Well, you start quantifying how you're having success.
You look at it and say, okay, what's the process we're undertaking? How are we going through this? And what are the results of what we're doing behind the scenes? That's the data you need to look at and also turn over and find out, okay, is this actually successful?
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Chapter 4: What is Jim Rutherford's legacy in Vancouver?
We sit here and talk about this is how we scout, this is how we develop players, but is it actually working? And I think those are the types of data points that you have to bring in and look at and try to move forward with. I know people are sick and tired of the way the corporate culture works, but the reality of the National Hockey League has become it's no longer a mom-and-pop league.
You're talking about businesses that are worth billions of dollars. Billions, yes. Billions of dollars. And if you look at any business worth billions of dollars, how they operate...
They don't operate like a lot of pro sports teams in the National Hockey League operate, where you have people in charge in positions that don't have the business acumen, that don't have the acumen of putting together a real corporate structure.
And as much as that's annoying, and I get people are rolling their eyes at that idea, you either embrace that and move forward and have success, or you get left behind. Like, eras are changing. Look at front offices in the NFL. Look at front offices in the NBA, Major League Baseball especially. And I know there are a lot of nerdy people involved, and I say that with quotation marks.
People kind of laugh at it and scoff at it. But that's how it's happening. And that's not to say you don't need to have former players or good talent evaluators. That's still the most important part. And I think with analytics on the hockey side of things, I think it's gotten to the point now that we've underrated guys that have a good eye test in terms of how to evaluate players.
I think that's become underrated. But in terms of how you run your organization, how you set culture, what's our framework you have in terms of how people work together, and also how you involve ownership. Now, the thing about managing up is not just about, hey, convince the owner that you have the right idea. Placating to the owner. Yeah.
It's more about how do you create a structure that's robust, that allows that owner to also have a say, but not be the person who's overriding everybody. We need to create trust.
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Chapter 5: How did Jim Rutherford's decisions impact the Canucks' roster?
You need to create a type of corporate culture in a positive way that allows your team to move forward. And I think that's the thing that NHL teams have been lacking and lagging behind. And the Canucks have a unique opportunity right now to embrace that type of reality. And if they do, they could be on the cutting edge moving forward. But the question is, are you willing to do that?
I do wonder if just in sports in general or if we're over-indexing like, oh, we can smart our way out of it. Because I do think things maybe need to be simplified across the board in sports right now. But when I use a term like, oh, you can't scout your way out of this. Because I think today's athletes are significantly different than 30 years ago. Yes. Like, startling difference.
And that's where, to what you're talking about, like the culture aspect of it. Because 30 years ago, I think a lot of players would have just shut up, thought about their job, and carried on. But...
player empowerment like because of CBA because of salary cap and logistics players eyes are far more open than they were 30 years ago to understand the realities of business now because to your point like everything has been escalated to get to the stage where franchises are worth billions.
And now we sit here and we talk about, okay, pressures of two years down the road, let alone going into final year of a deal, let alone in the final year of a deal. Two years down the line, hey, can you exercise a little bit of leverage here to get to a spot where you want to go? All that sort of stuff has completely changed the landscape. And so there's a player empowerment era.
Now, do you also have a good culture of an organization to say, okay, players will bypass some of that leverage because they want to be in your environment. But you have to create a type of environment that is attractive to players. And you've got to do all that. And I think that, to me, has changed more than anything because that...
scouting element to it all of okay this guy can do this this and this and traditionally we've gotten for lack of better term obedient players which is kind of go about doing their business but now you know you got to find the competitive guys too you got to find like the the players that are truly committed to the craft who want to get consistently better that when they arrive it's not just well i'm good you scouted me because i'm this and i'm just gonna keep doing what i do and we'll we'll
Build it around me. It's like, you got to find, like, the selfless guys. And I think that's harder than ever.
Because it's just been... Like, all these players are so talented now. But also, like, you have to find selfless players. But players that... The thing is, somebody who is selfless is also... You want somebody that has character, but also somebody that can evaluate a situation.
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