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Chapter 1: What recent NHL trades have impacted the market?
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The prices we're seeing for top players, the Bowen Byram trade yesterday, just unreal. Our eyes were popping out of our heads when we found out what the return was for Bowen Byram from the Chicago Blackhawks.
Maybe the best off-season day since the eight-minute Stamko, Subban, and Hall of Trades. Yeah. Whamper. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. I was on the ferry that day just, like, trying to make sure I had Wi-Fi. Dude, I was going to the ferry that day. What a time. Yeah. Our origin stories. There we go. Yeah. You were the one that cut me off.
Yeah.
And...
You want to chime in there, Lily? I was just going to call out, Bic, were you sitting at a table?
Yes. Cubicle. Yeah. I was getting Wi-Fi.
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Chapter 2: Why are the Canucks remaining quiet during the trade frenzy?
We all agree for me. It's like, I'm willing to be patient and, and wait a few weeks or a few months and let's see what happens. And perhaps even the deadline. Like I I've given my timeline. It's like 12 months between now and the next off season. Like you have to move them, but you have some runway here. Right. But I totally understand the,
the urgency people feel when they see the prices being given out. Like, why not take advantage of this when the market is as hot as it is? Because you never know how long this hot market is going to last.
And to Woodley's point earlier, and something we brought up yesterday as well, I've yet to see a name that I would say is below the Canucks tier of players.
Me personally, I'd rather have Bowen Byram than Filip Ronic. And the big thing with Byram, especially for Chicago, he's four years younger than Filip Ronic. So if you're looking at a window with Conor Bedard, you'd always want to have the player that's younger that fits into that window as opposed to a player who has, what, three to four prime years left?
If this doesn't work for Chicago, and they have to, again, trade Bo and Byram in four years, or three years, you'd be in a better position. Would you rather trade a 28-year-old or a 33-year-old?
It just makes more sense. You're right. It makes more sense for Chicago to go after that age, that player of that type of age, as opposed to a Filiperonik. But the question, though, is, at what point do you miss the boat on moving Filiperonik?
I just look at the landscape right now. We're using the term seller's market. And look, there are shifting dynamics always, and you want to take advantage of the moment when it's available to you, of course. Do we think the seller's market is going to dissipate at any stage over the next year?
Because one of the reasons we're talking about this, and we talked about this a lot last year, it's like, okay, are we going to see a flurry of trades? Didn't really happen last year, obviously. Now it is taking off. How many teams are actually committed to doing the rebuild right now? Last season, we talked about Pittsburgh, Vancouver, a couple of teams. Calgary. Sorry, not Vancouver last year.
They were forced into it last year. They were forced into it, yes. Calgary. But... But going into last year, it was like Calgary was obviously in a rebuild and it was like Pittsburgh.
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Chapter 3: What are the implications of trading Filip Hronek?
Teams that are not making the playoffs always sell their UFAs. But Roenick's not a UFA. Here's a player with a lot of term that you're looking to trade for. What would you want to see coming back in return? Like, I know you posed this to me earlier. Would you rather a 2027 first round pick than what type of first round pick this year?
Because the pick for next season, even at the deadline from a contender, would be undefined, but it would probably fall anywhere from late teens to late 20s, depending on how that team does that has playoff aspirations. But also, the 2027 class...
a year out, I know, seems more center-rich than this draft class.
Yeah, I mean, yes. But it also reminds me of the quarterback talk. Of course. Next year's quarterback class is way better. Wait for next year. Next year comes around, like, yeah, it's actually average.
The point of the exercise is we know how we feel on June 24th about this draft class. Because we're, you know, based off of yesterday and picks getting traded and we have an idea of, okay, what types of picks are being moved right now. Would you rather the mystery box of a 2027 pick because of the timeline you're talking about of moving Heronic in the next month or the next year?
You could do it this time next year before the draft. Would you rather a 2027 first rounder than a top blank 2026 pick?
If you were talking about a pick in the, let's say, 22 and below, 23 and below, I'd rather take the shot on next year's pick. My number might be lower. Like, I might even say, like, 15. Really?
Yeah.
I still look at a pick in the teens and I'm like, there's enough players I like a lot in this year's draft that you can talk me into a pick in the teens because I feel like I'm going to get a player that I have top 15 somewhere in the late teens.
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Chapter 4: How does the age of a player affect trade value?
And so trading for 23-24 is in a different context. And I think I would be interested in a... Potentially, like a high 20s pick rather than a low teens pick this year.
And when we were talking about the first round pick, we're talking about that being a part of the trade. Not that the only piece. Because Jazzy says, after the Byram trade, anything less than a top 10 pick is not worth it for Hronik. Up your standards. And I think that's easy to say, but... Again, like, Hronik is 29.
I'm not sure how many teams are trading a top 8, 9 pick for a 29-year-old, 30-year-old defenseman. It's not usually the type of asset you see going out the door for that age of a player. Just usually not what you end up seeing. Hey, of course, you try to get as high a pick as possible.
But even looking at the pick now, you know, somebody's asking us, Marcus and Gibson's, what about the ninth overall pick from San Jose? If the Sharks are willing to do that, I think you jump at it and then you call Hironic's agent, Alan Walsh, and say, I know your player doesn't want to go anywhere, but are you sure you don't want to go play in San Jose? Have you heard about California? Yeah.
And I mentioned this yesterday. I know Mike and others were asking, are the Canucks viewing Hironic as an untouchable? I don't think they view Hironic as an untouchable. And I think they'll listen to calls for him. But I don't think they're shopping him. But it's more about semantics to some degree.
If somebody comes and makes an offer that they deem worthwhile, I'm sure they'll take it to the agent. Now, is he going to say yes? That's the big question. But I think if you take a deal to a player, even if he doesn't want to go anywhere, I think what you end up doing at some point is ensuring that you end up waiving your no trade clause regardless.
Because it's like, well, the writing is on the wall. If they came to me today, they'll come to me again tomorrow or the next month or the month afterwards again. So I think it's one of those things where you can always pry that door open if somebody makes a worthwhile offer to you.
$6.50. $6.50 also coming into the inbox. You guys are forgetting what Pareko was going to go for as well. So is that an indicator? It's like, well, yeah, the value for right-handed E is there. Yeah. Like I said.
Can you wait this out too? I'm not saying... you can't try to make that type of a deal. Now, it's always a lot different, too, when we talk about making trades at the deadline versus making trades in the offseason. You look at desperation. You look at teams that have championship aspirations.
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Chapter 5: What factors influence the seller's market in the NHL?
Or do you get a prospect, right?
Because Mirko was the...
prospect like he was ninth overall himself right like that's a top 10 prospect at that time do you change it like does it have to be a first round pick that did the the byram trade say no it's it's only got to be a top 10 pick or is it a very valuable prospect that you'd be interested as well it's just about using heronic to continue to accrue value yeah that's that's the job here
Yeah, and I think, again, when we look at where the trademark is at, and I think the thing that you also have to consider here is you can't just trade Hronik if you want to. He has to say yes. There has to be the right destination, and he has to waive his no trade clause.
Again, I think you can massage these situations, but a player, we've seen this before, they just put their foot down and say, I'm not going anywhere right now. Now, eventually that'll change, but I see people saying, you got to trade Hronik. I don't think it's that straightforward. I'm all for it. Go and do your thing. And again, I think when we're looking at the other players that Canucks have,
I just don't see anybody being a priority right now outside of them being second options in a few days or perhaps a week or two, especially when we look at the free agent market. Alex Tuck is landing in Washington.
That just got confirmed. So what was the pick that came back? It was the 2027 third rounder. Buffalo also received David Kampf. Little did we know that David Kampf was worth that much. David Kampf was worth Alex Tuck.
David Kampf, huh? Slayed to be UFA. Refire Alvin. Interesting. I mean, that has to be contractual. There must be some reason why they threw that in, obviously.
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Chapter 6: How do teams decide when to enter seller mode?
But David Kampf, that is pretty funny. So a third round pick, because they had two third round picks. Maybe David Kampf was worth more than Teddy Bluger. Washington has two third round picks next year. So I was wondering if it was going to be one of those picks that goes the other way. But if you look at the free agent class all of a sudden, with Tuck out,
Like the best free agents are guys that would have been... That are future Hall of Famers that would have been star free agents six, seven years ago. Like Tarasenko, Patrick Kane, Alex Ovechkin, John Carlson, Brent Byrne, Jacob Truba, Matt Zuccarello, Vladimir Tarasenko. Has anybody that you mentioned under 35? No. Truba's 32, I think. Okay. That's essentially it. They're all like older players.
Once Tuck is gone, which he is now, now I wonder... Does Jake DeBrusque look a bit more appealing for certain teams? Guys who missed out on some of the top-end guys? Dominoes are falling. So could this start creating some more interest for guys, even like EP40, potentially? I think this is what needs to happen, is these guys need to go.
And once you look at the free agent market and it starts thinning out, I think that's when the second wave of Canuck players, because they're all distressed to some degree, Besser, DeBrusque, EP40, heck, even Lankanen, Demko, go through the list. Marcus Patterson, even all these players are distressed to some degree. So it's going to have to take some movement around the league.
And we're already seeing some other small trades happen, like the Preds acquired Jack Drury in a third-round pick for Colorado for Fedor Svechkov and Zachary LaRue. And that's essentially just them getting cheaper and slightly younger because they don't want to play Jack Drury. But now you're starting to see these players that are kind of viewed as, okay, the next wave of...
Good trade targets, young trade targets like a Jack Drury that I think was kind of sought after by a lot of teams. Now, I think this might get the ball rolling to some of the other secondary Canuck players that they're trying to move.
Day two of the draft is I was kind of wonder is there going to be there tends to be some player movement on that day as well. So we'll see if Saturday is the opportunity where we might see some movement as well.
Well, let's hope so. And, you know, I think for Vancouver, I think they're very willing to make things happen. I think they just have to be a little bit patient in terms of some of their other players. Like we mentioned, some dominoes have to fall for those guys to really fall in place. We got this question as well.
When does Horonix no move change to a...
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