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Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
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Trades galore across the National Hockey League. You're listening to Canuck Central coming to you live from the Kintec studio. Step strong with orthotics and footwear from Kintec. It's Satyar Shah with Bik Nizar. We always want to hear from you on the show, especially on a busy day across the NHL. A few major trades have gone down.
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Chapter 2: What recent trades have impacted the NHL landscape?
A lot coming up on the show this afternoon. We are going to be joined by the newest member of the Canucks front office, Richard Seeley, who is the AGM and the GM of the Abbey Canucks. He's going to come up at 4.30. We'll chat with Ian McIntyre coming up at 5 and at 5.30, we'll... Turn our sights to the NHL entry draft with Tony Ferrari from the Hockey News joining us. A lot coming up on the show.
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Man, so we were talking about this on the show yesterday that you and I have criticized the NHL for not making enough trades. And we kind of wondered, though, with the The league being at 32 teams and essentially 30 out of the 32 teams having ambitions to be a playoff team or better. And there's nobody available in free agency. Plus, we're hearing about all these trade requests.
Could this be the busiest, most impactful player movement offseason we have seen since 05-06 coming off the lockout? We saw a lot of sizable moves then, right? It was Scott Niedermeyer was a free agent.
big one and signed with the Anaheim Ducks and lo and behold a couple years later they win a Stanley Cup and we saw so much movement that year because the league missed a year so many free agents all at the same time in this offseason only a couple weeks in we've seen some major trades and three big trades went down today already
When we were chatting with Frank yesterday, you know, he used the term buckle up. Yeah. Buckle up. And between Brady and, again, we're still talking about Larkin kind of in the background as well. Berwinski, you know, be prepared. And, you know... I do think the criticisms were valid, right? Things have gotten static across the NHL.
A lot of eight-year deals, a lot of no-movement clauses, no-trade clauses.
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Chapter 3: How are the Canucks positioned in the current trade market?
Not a lot of success have followed those principles. And how much have teams now tried to disturb the water now that it's been still to say, you know what? These plans didn't work, and we have to do whatever we can to navigate this. Free agency isn't going to help us. Trade deadlines aren't helping anymore. How challenging it is.
The NHL draft has now become the new deadline and look how teams are utilizing it right now.
Yeah, absolutely. And let's just get to it. Let's get to The Open, which is brought to you by FiberTech, your exclusive dealer of house of roll luxury plumbing fixtures. Visit their state-of-the-art showrooms and experience centers in Surrey, Vancouver, and Kukulam, or check out FiberTechBC.ca. And we're going to break down all of these trades. Simon Nemech, a member of the Flames now.
Jordan Cairo got moved to the Washington Capitals. William Eklund got traded to the Ottawa Suns. from the Ottawa Senate to the Ottawa senators from the San Jose Sharks. Now the Sharks have the ninth overall pick and the second overall pick. And how does this all impact the Vancouver Canucks? That's going to be the big question here.
And the one that everybody's wondering about right now is when are the Canucks going to make a move? Now, we haven't seen anything formally get to a point where we feel like a deal is close on anything. And one thing I would say too is, and I'm repeating myself here, the player to keep the closest eye on is Jake DeBrusque.
I'm not sure you're getting a first round pick for him, but he's the guy to keep the closest eye on. Because as much as I think there's possibilities with EP40, Brock Besser's name has been mentioned as well. I don't get the sense that things have heated up to the point where a trade is imminent on their fronts. The DeBrusque one is the one to keep a close eye on.
And the big question everybody has, Bic, what about the two veteran defensemen, Marcus Patterson and Philip Ronick?
Again, there's keeping an eye on and who's the most likely and also what is the most optimal decision to increase value. Again, the one that I think a lot of people are going to be texting in about it. I already see the name already coming up. In this market, why not activate Hronik? If Nemech is getting traded for what he is, why not utilize Hronik?
That's, again, the first two texts are basically just that. 650-650. Yeah. That's the one that makes the most sense. The easiest one, the most likely to pull off is probably Nebraska.
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Chapter 4: What is the significance of the NHL draft for team strategies?
He has shown no capability for several years to be healthy. We all want him to be healthy. We all want to see him play at his best for a variety of different reasons. But... Hinging the plan of rebuild on one player's health is just creating realities that you're going to be bad at.
Yeah, and the thing with moving EP40 is I think people want to see trades so much that they're not as focused on the actual return. Listen, there isn't a single veteran on this Canucks team I'm not looking to trade. Not a single one. I'm including Marco Rossi in the Canuck veterans as well because he is a veteran. It's just when it comes to EP40, there's just no value.
You're trying to accrue value. Isn't the most important thing in a rebuild just getting rid of players and tearing it down for the sake of tearing it down? Or are you trying to acquire legitimate assets? And if now is not the time for you to get an asset for EP40, well, you wait until you can get that asset.
Because the whole point here is for you to get the types of assets that are required for you to turn the corner in your rebuild.
I thought part of the fun quote from the Sedin Presser was being patient. Yeah. is this not part of it? Is patience just not holding on to or accruing assets to do the long rebuild? Is it also not finding the right moments to activate the levers to start trading off pieces? Or do you just want to get everyone out the door right now? I thought part of it was, hey,
The fastest way to do it is go slow. But now everyone wants to go fast.
Yeah, and again, I get it. I know there's skepticism. Hey, we have a lot of skepticism as well about if the rebuilds are going to work and whether you think the people in charge are the right people in charge or not and ultimately what's going to happen. But I think part of... making these trades as getting value back in return.
You can't trade Demko now, but what if Demko plays better next year and stays healthy? Well, all of a sudden, you can move him. If EP40's game bounces back a little bit, then you can move him and get something of consequence back in return. I think those are things you should be looking to do more than anything else. The biggest one is the Philip Peronic one. I do understand, though.
I understand the whole idea that... If you're not willing to move Filip Hronik, what does that tell you about your overall ambitions? And everything I've come to understand, and I've checked in on this numerous times, is that he's not viewed as an untouchable.
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Chapter 5: Who are the key players the Canucks might trade?
I'm giving you 12 months to figure this out. Well, 12 months in a week.
The dynamics have changed too because we would talk as well like the ninth overall pick. When Florida had it, well, they got Eckblad and Jones. How is Filip Rona going to fit in that? Well, why would they be interested in it? Well, now San Jose's got the ninth overall pick. And now you can create a different pathway for that. And it makes far more sense. St.
Louis now has got a bit more ammunition, right? Cairo coming here didn't make a lot of sense. But now with the shifting parts, like Cairo goes to Washington and St. Louis has got an extra pick. Now you can kind of envision a scenario. It's like, well, St. Louis wanted to refresh the blue line. If Pareko at some stage is also going out, So now you can kind of figure out a way why that makes works.
And so the shifting nature of the first round today, we do have to kind of reframe what's possible all of a sudden. Is there an opportunity for another team to explore? And as names start coming off the board as well, who are the other teams that were in for Nemec that have missed out now retrace their steps and say, okay, look, we didn't get the young guy who we get service years on.
Do we go with the veteran? That makes sense for us. Each trade changes the entire ecosystem of the NHL. Will new parties become present for Philip Peronic now?
Yeah, and I do think it's one of those things where if somebody, again, I'm repeating myself, but if somebody comes to the Canucks with an offer that they have to consider, I think they take it to Philip Peronic. And then he has to make a decision.
And as far as the trades that did go down today, I think the Calgary Flames one's also the real interesting one because they went in after Simon Nemech. Now, I'm not big on Simon Nemech. I haven't been. If you listen to the show, going back to the trade discussions around Quinn Hughes to the New Jersey Devils, I was always cool on the idea of acquiring Nemech. I'm not as sold on it.
But when you're accumulating as many draft picks as the Calgary Flames have, the last three years, they've made nine selections in the first two rounds. Before the trade today, they had 14 picks in the first two rounds in the next three drafts coming up. 14.
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Chapter 6: How does the Canucks' offseason compare to other teams?
You can't develop and maintain that many prospects that are considered of a higher caliber. You're going to have to figure out a way to either make trades to get picks down the road or get prospects or... get them together and make a bigger trade like they did here for Simon Nemech.
And I think it's a sign that, hey, it's great that you accumulate the picks, but at some point you're going to have to cash them in to get some real players. But the thing with Calgary though is if you miss on Nemech and now you traded away, you know, three pretty significant pieces to get that trade done, The question with Calgary is, do you have enough quality going through your rebuild?
Quantity is great, but can you actually turn that quantity into real quality? And that's what's going to turn this around for them, if it is.
I'll use a phrase I use often, like at some point everyone wants to hit the accelerator. So today, Calgary hit the accelerator a little bit. We even talked about, okay, who are the true rebuilding teams? Obviously, we've mentioned Vancouver. Calgary was one. We kind of wondered, okay, is there a team out east that maybe fits the mold? Is Columbus going to be venturing in that path at some stage?
Calgary today makes a move that pushes this forward that within the next 12 months, Maybe 16, 18. They need to get good, right? Because you're spending multiple first-round picks. You've got these guys coming through. Nemech is going to get this opportunity.
And also, they have a lot of competition now on the right side with Parekh, with Nemech, Rustavich, who we're familiar with here, Whitecloud. They're also creating some... limited pathways for some guys.
It's going to be really interesting to see what Calgary does to use that level of capital for something that you would have thought was a strength, right-hand D for them, having already drafted Parekh and having Bruce Davidson. And they have White Cloud. Yeah, but having already, they had bodies in that spot. For them to utilize their draft capital on that is really fascinating.
Well, I mean, Nemec's defensive play leaves a lot to be desired. And Perik is more of a power play guy. Now, he's showed a lot of talent. I'm not down on him, but it's like you can't have both guys on the first unit as right-hand shots.
Maybe they're going back to 2003 hockey.
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Chapter 7: What factors are influencing the Canucks' trade decisions?
DeBrusque's biggest profile is goal scoring. Yeah.
And a lot of it is on the power play, too.
And Kairou paces him in those.
Yeah. Well, Kairou is a better player than... Jake DeBrusque, despite all the issues Cairo has, DeBrusque has his own issues. He was also healthy scratch, and he's not a consistent 5-on-5 performer, but he can score goals, and he's good on the power play.
There's real utility, but I've been skeptical on the Canucks getting a first-round pick for DeBrusque for this entire week, or even going back to last week when talking about this. I hope they do. I'd love to see it. I'm just not convinced they're getting a first-round pick for Jake DeBrusque.
A lot of people in the inbox.
Very convinced that it is going to be... I hope so. I hope it happens. I hope it happens. But that's the guy to keep the closest eye on. But the San Jose trade, you know, if they don't move these two picks... then you're probably looking at Stenberg number two. And it makes sense. He's probably too good of a player for you to pass up, even for positional needs.
We talked about that the minute they won the lottery. It's just like the Eklund timeline is cooked now.
Yeah, it's like, yeah, what do you do? Do you draft a defenseman second overall? Or do you look to move Eklund for a defenseman and just make the selection for the best player available, which would be Stenberg at two if McKenna goes one?
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