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Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
Welcome back to Canucks Talk Sportsnet 650. It's Jamie Dodd, Thomas Drance. We are live from the Kintex studio. 650-650 is the Dunbar Lumber text line trusted by contractors and DIY champions across Metro Vancouver for generations. Find them at three convenient locations or visit Dunbar Lumber online today.
Now joining us in studio as he does every Monday, former NHL player, now an analyst here on 650 on Sportsnet TV. He is our guy, Landon Ferrara. What's going on, Landon?
Not much. Had a pretty good weekend. Enjoyed the sun and Father's Day and all that. I didn't share this as I walked in, though. I saved it for now. Ended on a tough note. What happened? Later last night. We got our two and a half year old. We're starting potty training. Sure. That was a fun weekend. Love that. Chasing him around. Love that. I end up getting off the couch. I'm taking a step.
My kid moves in front. So I got to readjust where I'm stepping. I bury my big toe into his little porta potty thing.
think it broke my big or my little toe it is killing me oh and not only that it was while he was having an accident next to the potty that i kicked so it was just a lot a lot of bad stuff going on you know that though you've been through it i've been i've been through it you know what i go through it every day you know what an amazing day is though when you finally throw out the diaper genie
i'm assuming you guys have one yeah oh yeah man taking that out to the dumpster that was an incredible incredible feeling i'm done with this i want to like that makes me want to move to like antarctica because it's cold and you don't smell it as soon as summer hits man it's like you're living in the backwoods it's tough anyway it's still still what you're dealing with i mean i cover the vancouver canucks
It's true.
All right.
We got to get into the topic.
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Chapter 2: Why do American stars leave Canadian teams?
And it's just like, you can understand how someone would just be like, wide-eyed and like, what are we doing here? You know, like, what are we doing? By the way, throw in the four nations where it's not at all clear that Hughes couldn't have played in that gold medal game if not for the Canucks intervention. And then in Brady's case, I actually think it's even wilder.
Like if you remember how this Senator season actually went, how hot they had to run down the stretch to make the playoffs, how miserable it was, how bad the goaltending was, how well they were constantly playing and just not winning games. Then there was that moment mid season where rumors started flying about like team infidelity connected to a player's mental health issues.
break or leave from the team that the team had to like explicitly clarify and then you had all of the stuff with the on the other side of the olympics right the obviously the booing of the american anthem i don't think it's like a decisive factor but you can't tell me it doesn't matter definitely mattered to brady kachuk whose like face showed you that it mattered to him every time it happened
It mattered to every American. Every American. Of course. There's multiple exams. We don't have to get into it. No. You go and watch any of those anthems. It mattered to all the guys here. Yeah. Just Vancouver, you're going to see different things that happened there.
That was my point earlier, right? Like, whatever spin you want to put in it or what your take on it is, like, the relationship between the two countries is in a tough spot. And obviously that trickles down to things like booing the anthem, and that is going to impact the players, even if that's not the driving force behind these decisions.
For sure. Absolutely. And, you know, it's hard for people to grasp and empathize sometimes, right? Especially when they're not...
that interested in like it's not something they track or follow that closely or even if they do they track it from an American perspective as opposed to a Canadian perspective in any event the point that I'm making is like both of these situations got really demanding especially for captains and in addition to that you know
Do you think Brady felt like he had a chance to win a cup in the next two years in Ottawa? I don't think so. No. Right?
And do you think Quinn Hughes felt he had a chance to play a meaningful game in Vancouver ever again? But even if Brady thought that they had a really good chance to win, there's no way he's not looking at Florida and thinking, well, that's still better. Yeah. Right? And the other part... Again, it just goes back to all the talk generally just goes back to money, right?
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Chapter 3: What does the Brady Tkachuk trade mean for the Canucks?
He's not part of the same group that these guys are.
I think the other part of it, too, is, you know, I get that the 1980 team won and they were a team and all that. But I feel like at least in my lifetime of what I remember, this is the first time over the past couple of years that USA Hockey has the same feel of care about their program that I grew up knowing Canada had with theirs.
To me, watching the USA teams play at Olympics and World Championships, for me growing up, it felt more like individuals that were really good and they couldn't figure out the team style. And Canada just slotted in and knew what they were doing, and it worked.
It seems like this age of USA hockey, and they're really the first ones to come through that development program with it fully established and set up, that like there is real pride there and not just the, it would be cool to win a gold medal. It's we have to win this medal for our country.
Like it always felt when the Americans were talking to past tournaments, I don't want to say they were faking it, but it felt more forced to talk about playing for their country than the Canadian did. And I don't get that sense anymore. Like there, it has that same feel that I grew up with here.
I think the other and somebody just texted in JJ from Fiji of all places. There were three Americans on the 96 World Cup of Hockey roster who played on Canadian teams, one on the 2002 Olympic roster and two on the 2010 team. He says the anomalous part is the fact that there were so many great American players on Canadian teams recently, not that American players want to play in the States.
I mean, that's not a bad shout, right? There is just a kind of like coincidence that we've seen a ton of great American players playing for Canadian teams over the last five to 10 years. There's more of that. And I think that's a big part of it, too, is you can go back and look at like the 2010 USA roster. There's some very good players on that team. Don't get me wrong.
It's a far cry from having like some of the elite elite of the league like this year's Olympic team did for the U.S. And so I think just naturally there's more of them. They're better and they have more power as a result. They have power. But those guys in 2010 wouldn't have because they weren't the true superstars in the league at the time.
And also because I think hockey in general has changed culturally. Like I think the idea of players. exercising what leverage they have in this sort of manner is like relatively new in terms of how hockey players considered their options. Right. I mean, other than Wayne Gretzky and maybe a couple other very unique circumstances, we just, we didn't see it from like a rank and file perspective.
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Chapter 4: What is Vancouver's offseason strategy for the Canucks?
I don't think, if I'm the Vancouver Canucks, the team that I'm most often thinking about, I'm not looking at this and thinking, I want the rules to change. I'm looking at this and thinking, I want to use the fact that everyone is tying their hands.
to be more flexible than everyone else because then I'll be able to solve their problems when they end up like the New Jersey Devils did this past year and Tom Fitzgerald it and have made too many small moves that prevent them from making the sorts of big moves that I'm going to be able to make because I'm going to avoid these deals going forward.
I think it's an opportunity to play the market. And you're totally right. And they definitely need to take advantage of that. I'm talking more umbrella on top of this of... the league kind of grabbing a bit more control again and making it so that this isn't happening because it, it, it just doesn't need to like you're talking about. Yeah. Take advantage of it.
Pay the extra million a hundred percent while that's there. But why would they not together just be like, let's make that not the thing you want them to collude against the players. That's how the league's invented.
Yeah. See, I will see because Batman every year does his like, why did you sign this deal thing to the GMs? Right. And instead of it being about dollars, he's just got to make it about the note. Why did you give Jason Dickinson a no trade class?
Seriously, though, like it doesn't need to happen. The opportunity this year, especially now that everyone continues to sign McMahon for six years, like everyone is operating like the flat cap still is extant and it's not. And the opportunity for an enterprising team to just come into this summer and be the massive turd in the punch bowl.
overpay the UFAs, throw some offer sheets around, like Arseny Gritsyuk. You know, the Canucks can't do it because they don't have their own second and because they can't risk a future first if a team doesn't match it because they're not good enough. But some team that's at a higher level, like Ottawa's a perfect... Ottawa and Andlauer might have the stones to do it, right? Be fun.
Wade into this market and start throwing punches, especially if you're in a Canadian market with liquidity to do so. Like... make cash great again in the NHL. That's, that's really where it is.
Like use your cash resources to put stress on these teams that are continuing to operate and players are allowing it with like term and flexibility, suppressing their cap it, even though their cap, it no longer really matters.
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Chapter 5: What are the implications of Elias Pettersson trade rumors?
It's not about the return. It's about the wake of wreckage leading up to the Quinn Hughes trade of the Marcus Pedersen deal and all the extensions. If they had just said, Quinn Hughes doesn't want to be here instead of desperately trying to sign his buddies and promote Adam Foote and trade for a top four defenseman, we're just going to do the trade and move on.
They would have been way better off. Let's put a pin in this and come back to it on the other side of the break because I think there's a lot of meat on this bone.
All right. More Landon Ferraro next year on Canucks Talk Sportsnet 650. Welcome back to Canucks Talk Sportsnet 650. Jamie Dodd, Thomas Drance. We are broadcasting live from the Kintex studio. Step strong with orthotics and footwear from Kintex 650. 650 is the Dunbar Lumber text line. We continue to break down the fallout, the lessons as well from the Brady-Kachuk deal to Florida.
Yeah, I'm just curious to get Landon's thought on this because I thought the Ottawa Senators, while this is a huge setback for a team that was a back-to-back playoff team and was trending to be this, you know, two-way beast and wow, if they ever got goaltending, right? The form of the deal itself, I find fascinating and actually really sharp. Like, you get the ninth pick in a nine-player draft.
That's the official Dylan Gunther spot, right? Where, like, at the very least, you're getting one of Bjork, Rudolph, or Schmitz if he falls. Or Verhoff, maybe. Maybe you get surprised. And it's like, great. We got a player who's just as likely to be as good as who a team got six picks up the order from us, right? I mean, it's pretty flat after the first two. So they get the legit premium asset.
They get another draft pick this year. So another immediate asset for a team interested in that. And then I like that the other first is pushed so far into the future that this Panthers team staffed with a lot of guys who are on the other side of 30. Like, they... We see it all the time. I mean, we saw it from them. We literally saw it from them this year. Like...
We already know the Panthers are like one Barkov injury away from not being an elite team. And they're relying heavily on the Kachuk brothers who are getting into their late 20s, early 30s. We got to see who the goalie is. We got to see who the goalie is. Well, Matthew Kachuk coming off big injury problems as well.
But also like the guys that age the fastest in NHL terms, big body, wide body, physical, live hard. Like, do the Kachuks not check all four boxes?
Not much break in that family.
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Chapter 6: How does accumulating draft capital benefit the Canucks?
And figure out what you can find.
And then have your Edmonton nuclear option at the end.
Yeah. That always works for them. Barkov and Forsling. The Barkov-Forsling blanket they throw over Connor McDavid on home ice.
Now, I was making the point before we went to break, I think one of the key takeaways for Canadian teams here, and really, I mean, it applies to Detroit, right? It applies to potentially Columbus with Zach Wierenski. It's not going to be just Canadian teams, but especially Canadian teams in this situation is know when to just rip the bandaid off and get it over with.
Like, know when the writing is on the wall and, hey, we don't have a future with this player and we got to take advantage of it rather than throwing good money after bad.
Well, so can I ask you as a hypothetical? Sure. The Canucks have... An American born defenseman in their lineup right now in Zeeb Booyam, who is extension eligible this summer. And I've been, you know, talking pretty regularly about my view that they should be very, very open to getting that business done now under the current CBA climate long term.
In your mind, would this in any way change how you'd approach that from the perspective of like, do you try to add more money into it to make sure that he doesn't get an NMC? Like if you go seven years with him, right? For example, or eight years with him, the last two years of those deals, the last two years of that deal, he'll be eligible for, you know, that sort of protection.
Would you be willing to pay, say it's a seven times eight and now it's eight times eight, but... Limited no trade, like a 10 team no trade on the back end of it. Is that worth it in your mind?
No. For me, like, yeah, you need to build some safety nets in there. But to me, you're already planning for the team and rebuild not to work. In my eyes, my thought is I don't need to overpay because when we're getting to the end of that, our team is a contender and he's not going to leave. Right? Like, again, it goes to if you have a team that legitimately can win. they're not going to leave.
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Chapter 7: What players are projected in the Canucks Talk mock draft?
And then if he's not, but he's still a good player, you can probably get a good deal even with the no-move clause.
Or at least you can salvage it. It's not going to be a disaster.
Or you can move before the no-move clause. Exactly. There's enough outs that it's not like a must-have for me.
The way the league is now, to be honest, before you can... Now Florida's kind of the first super team to be built. I imagine Colorado's going to be trying to figure something out. Teams are going to start trying to... They realize that we've got to get better. And as you start that,
looking at building like vancouver the only way you're going to be able to get to contender and it's always said you need to build through the draft it's even more important now you need to get your core out of that and it needs to build so that by the time those guys start peaking kind of like ottawa but maybe a step further that now they're all in it together and that's that's your safety net
that you've built a group that now wants to win together. And you can't downplay when you have guys that are growing up together in a very high-stress situation how tight those guys are. Again, I get that it's a Calder Cup, but we were in Grand Rapids and Detroit. Our group was all drafted together, and we were together for four years.
I don't talk to all of them every day, but I guarantee if I see one... Walking down the street, like, that is the best next hour of us just talking. Because, like, again, go from, like, 20 to 24. Those are big years. You're figuring out life and everything. You're trying to make the next step. You're getting devastated at different points.
And knowing that your time to get devastated is next if your other buddy gets it. Like... You can't replace that. That's what you have to build this core through the draft for every team now until you get to the point that you can go start throwing those draft picks to get the big guys that are like, yeah, I'll come for a couple of years and try and go win a cup now. And then you get that cup.
Well, now you've got five years of guys wanting to sign there, but you got to get through the first part.
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Chapter 8: How might the Canucks improve their roster this offseason?
And we're going to create this culture and everyone's going to buy in. And I think the Sadeen Ryan Johnson development-centric, culture-centric case to this market, right? The case they're making to this market for what they're going to do. I think it's far more compelling, cogent, if you rip the Band-Aid off on Pettersson.
For sure, and that's why I say if something fair comes across, they're not going to take an absolute loss on this. But if something fair comes, I think they move very quickly. I also, as much as I'm not going to sit here and say I'm part of the PD Superfan group, but I do think the change of culture and what is going to be coming in, regardless of success on ice this year,
I think that's something that Pettersson will do well in. I'm not saying he jumps back point-wise, but the effort off the ice, just being around the guys, working in practice, to me, he's more of a follower. And when that stuff is non-negotiable and you don't even realize it's happening, he'll follow suit.
I don't think it's as big of a deal than what it was in the past of what it's been sitting in. I don't know if I'm giving him too much credit, but to me, that's my gut feel on him. I get it, right? The idea that it's a clean slate for everyone. That's what Rian Johnson said as well, right? But sorry... I'm saying clean slate to still finding him a move. Sure.
Like that's not a, regardless what happens around. Yeah. It's you're going into it fully knowing that the first opportunity that you get, you make that deal, but I'm not as worried about him sticking around for training camp and everything that I was two months ago.
GW text in what is the good enough price for retaining anything on EP 40. That's got to be a premium piece. Yes, I agree. Right. Like you got to be getting something really good. If you are, he's got six years left on six years.
Yeah. That's a massive amount. Even if you're only retaining 1 million in actual salary, right. And whatever that is prorated to his actual contract. $6 million should buy you a first round pick. Yeah. Like just like raw dollars and cents. And if you're talking 18 million or something like that, like it should be a massive amount. That's like two and a half seasons worth of Trent Frederick.
Yeah, and the other team's getting a player, but all of a sudden they think it's on a reasonable ticket and can still help them.
And it's not a guy that you're bringing in to be your first line setter. Like, you know what's coming. It's a more workable situation, right? Like, they know what they're getting with the hope of upside, but you know what that baseline is coming in. So it's a different feel than it is in Vancouver because his baseline is completely different here than it'll be wherever he goes.
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