Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
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Keep sending your thoughts in as we continue to react to everything we heard from Daniel and Hendrick Sedin, the new Co-Po-Hos, as well as Ryan Johnson, the new GM for the Vancouver Canucks. And I want to go through some of the notable commentary, Drancer, and we'll try to cover as much ground as we can here in the next 25 minutes.
And I want to start with something that we talked about just briefly before the press conference, and that was the the timeline conversation, right? And, of course, they were asked about this, and as we said, best not to put a timeline on it. That's the optimal thing, and that's exactly how RJ answered, right? He said to put any type of timeline is unfair on the process.
It's more about building the environment first, staples, things we believe in, creating a safe environment where players can improve and make mistakes. That's a theme he returned to. on several different occasions. And then he says, we're going to do this step by step.
We're not going to race through it, be aligned in everything we do and stick to the vision that we're talking about here in May 2026. And he says, no doubt in our minds that if we do that, We'll get to where we want to go. And you heard again later on, right? We're not going to shoot from the hip. We're not going to go quickly here, right? We are going to be patient, be methodical.
As far as answers go, and again, consider...
with the caveat that it is all just talk and not action, because by definition they've been on the job for like two hours and they can't have taken action yet, I thought the answer to that timeline question and the kind of perspective of patience on the rebuild was about, it handled about as well as you could have expected from the three on the dais today.
Yeah. Yeah, I mean, I think so too. The truth is, is that They are all substantive, and that came across. But in terms of, like, newsy nuggets to take from it, there was very little. Noncommittal on foot, noncommittal on what the team is likely to look like going forward, noncommittal on the reporting structure between the three of them, noncommittal on the owner specifically.
Well, no, RJ reports to the twins, and then you start the ownership.
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Chapter 2: What insights did the Sedins share about their new roles?
And how it would work.
Yeah, so the division of duties. And that, I think if I listen back.
It's okay. They get to have some time.
But it also never really, I don't know if it got put to them super directly and not as part of like a multi-part question, right? Like who's doing what. There was one reference to where the Sedin said, our job is to make sure RJ and the staff do their due diligence on every decision.
which suggests to me much more of a kind of overseeing role and culture-setting role, but RJ is going to be the guy responsible for targeting people on July 1st and obviously running draft meetings and things like that, which is no surprise. That kind of sticks pretty close to what we might expect. But you're right. We didn't get a kind of full breakdown of exactly what that might entail.
On the timeline question, again, handled pretty well to the point about no news. So as you said, noncommittal on foot, noncommittal on potential changes to the front office, although they did say, you know, they want to improve every department, right? And they don't want to just be good. They want to be the best at everything they do internally.
Also pretty noncommittal on the future of Elias Pettersson. And in fact, in some ways, it was an interesting dichotomy because Ryan Johnson said, you know, I want to wipe away all the expectations on Elias Pettersson. But he also returned to a theme that we've heard from Jim Rutherford, from Rick Tockett, from Patrick Alveen, which is preparation.
And the Sedins hit that theme on Elias Pettersson as well. And I did think it was notable that Ryan Johnson talked about Alias Patterson. Zero expectations. Zero expectations, but also he needs to prepare, just like all the other guys have been saying.
I think the point was take the pressure off yourself to be the guy who wins us every game and put your focus on being as prepared as you can and as good as you can be and as good a teammate as you can be and as good a spokesperson as we can be. And it's just like, just come play and have fun. Yep. I thought Ryan's answer was very... It was notable to me that it explicitly talked about
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Chapter 3: How do the Sedins plan to approach the rebuilding process?
what's going to happen with Elias Pettersson in September.
Yeah.
Which would suggest that... Not that they're taking it off the table that they're going to explore a trade for him, but it was very much, we're thinking about how he's going to be here and the choice he's going to make in September.
Yeah, and that's good because... I know you're going to hate hearing this, and I'm sorry in advance to Jason Brough, but knee-jerk trading Elias Pettersson when you're at the start of a rebuild and he's coming off a season in which he was the worst he's ever been. Like, he was worse last year than he was the year before.
Yep.
Doesn't make sense. Like, there's nowhere to go but up. And even if there is, even if that's not true, there's nowhere for his salary to go relative to his cap hit, but down, which would also increase his value versus where it is right now. Like time alone, even if this is who he is, increases his value over the next three years. Why wouldn't you take that time?
Aside from the fact that you're just like mad at how he performs, which by the way, I get it. Fair enough. Yeah. Or you're mad at the way he carries himself or what have you. Like, which also I get it. But that's just not how this organization at this moment in time can afford to think.
And I say that, by the way, because much like I love that this group managed to buy in and work hard and build a new culture down the stretch of last season. You know, and I do think it's worth... Celebrating is the wrong word, but I do think it's worth taking stock of. And...
Using to impact your evaluation of a guy like Zee Booyam, right, who seemed to be a driver of it, or a guy like Tom Valander who seemed to be a driver of it, or a guy like Max Sasson or Linus Carlsen who seemed to be a driver of it. And you can tell in the way they carry themselves with the media. And you can tell with the way that they carry themselves with their teammates.
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Chapter 4: What is the significance of patience in the Canucks' strategy?
When Anson Carter left the organization and then struggled, the widespread reaction in this market was like, should have stayed here. It took them three years to find Burroughs.
Right.
It took them three years to replace him.
Yeah.
that was an organizational error. I don't care that the, like, what does it, Anson Carter struggling in Columbus, does that make you feel better that the twins are playing with Steve Bernier? You know, like, that they're playing with Taylor Pyatt? Like, come on. Like, I don't even think this organization lived up to the twins.
I think the twins, through sheer force of will and character, became what this organization will hope to make in their next
iteration right like i think that's a huge part of what happened like these guys are so special that they overcame yep i would say a pretty negative environment honestly i know the team had success but like you know crawford didn't like them no uh crawford was afraid to take on naslund and bertuzzi head on so he the twins became the guys that he would go after to express his frustration at naslund and bertuzzi that's what players who were on that team anson carter told me this on the record
Like, kudos to Ace. And, yeah, I mean, they became who they became because of who they are. But imagine you could tap into that and help teach people to maximize their potential the way these guys did. Right? Imagine you could set up that environment. And then imagine you combine that with sort of a world-class, best-in-class program.
laser focused on getting elite clay into this organization mold. Like that's where this gets exciting, but you need that apparatus. You need that strategic discipline. You need that talent pipeline to be robust. Losing will help because it gives you access to those players, but it's not a plan to lose for five years.
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Chapter 5: What are the expectations for Elias Pettersson moving forward?
Right? there is a big difference between a big market rebuild and what teams like the Toronto Maple Leafs back in the Shana plan era and the Montreal Canadians and the Kent Hughes era.
And honestly, the Chicago Blackhawks over the past four or five years, although far, far more ham fistedly have done in terms of taking on money and overpaying Foligno and taking back McKay of, and getting paid off for bad contracts, like doing some of that rebuilding stuff where you use your cash resources and your cap resources to
and the impatience that other teams have versus your willingness to look ahead to accumulate draft capital. And while Ryan Johnson said they'll be open to doing that, there's a limit to how much of that you can do if you're not marshalling all the financial tools at a team's disposal with the targeted goal in mind of accumulating futures and getting better as quickly as you can.
And I think Buffalo's a really good example And Arizona. Those are the two that I would point out as like, you can still get to where Utah and Buffalo are today, but those are the 10 plus year ones. You either do it really badly because you're not very bright or you do it really cheaply.
And at the end of the day, the power of being bad in the NHL over time is powerful enough that you should eventually get interesting, at least. Yeah. Especially if, like Utah, you then get an injection of financial might or credibility, or like the Buffalo Sabres, well, you just kind of back into it. But those are the rebuilds that take forever.
resources you do ultimately get what you pay for and a big market a big market rebuild should be faster because you're able to buy stuff that a lot of other teams can't afford and that edge could be even more pronounced in the cap growth era like that edge could become really significantly pronounced especially if the Canucks are able to build up a pretty decent pipeline of affordable talent we might get to a point in three four years where teams are looking at second third contracts for some really good players and if you have
interesting young cost control guys that might be an edge that might be a direct route to leveling up your rebuild to adding talent in a market like this one where fans get excited and generally spend on the team and you have a big radio rights deal and a big regional television deal and on and on and so that's
That is something I'm hoping to see from the Canucks, and I would say that is not a question that I felt was answered. Was put to bed. Was put to bed. So that's still something we'll be tracking as we approach July 1.
The other side of the resources question is the off-ice stuff, right? And not just the creativity to use your money to get draft picks, but how you are staffing the rest of the front office. We heard that a deal was closed on a practice facility, so yes, the Sedins are now burdened.
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