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Chapter 1: What is the significance of the Abbotsford influence on the Vancouver Canucks?
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Chapter 2: How could Manny Malhotra's experience benefit young players?
He is Landon Ferraro. What's going on, buddy? Not much at all. Did you have any more success wrapping your head around Drance's trade proposal?
I actually got a, like after he took a deep breath and went at it again on break, it made sense. The problem was is I forgot that there's another pick involved on Vancouver's end. The 41st. I screwed it up. My bad. Let's not relitigate it.
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We'll see where the hour goes. I'm glad we got to the bottom of that.
Chapter 3: What are the risks of drafting based on connections?
Anyways. All right. I'm trying to think. I don't know if we... Maybe we just did a phoner last week or something, but we haven't had a ton of time to chat with you about a lot of the moves that we're seeing. And now it's Ryan Johnson taking over as GM. Henrik and Daniel, obviously, as the co-presidents.
And at least a very good chance, not a certainty, that Manny Malhotra will be the next head coach, which is really... four individuals who played a big, big role in Abbotsford over the last few seasons, potentially moving in to take over big roles with the Vancouver Canucks, which are just kind of overall big picture impression of the Abbotsford takeover we're seeing here in Vancouver.
I mean, for a team that's now rebuilding and getting to be around Abbotsford a bit more through that playoff run and seeing them work and seeing how the guys showed up and were prepared and worked for each other and almost were on autopilot at that point of the playoffs, which is exactly what you want, it makes a lot of sense.
I mean, we were all hoping that was the direction, or at least I was, and... that it was going to be Ryan Johnson taking over. I didn't think the Sedins were going to take a bigger role out of this. That was the curveball, but that's a curveball I think we're all happy with.
We had Henrik Sedin on our podcast the other day, and again, just from the opening press conference to having him on the other day, just how different it sounds. regardless of the on ice that is how that all is going to turn around and how long that's going to take.
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Chapter 4: Why might passing on Ivar Stenberg be a mistake for the Canucks?
Like, I don't know about you, like I already feel the difference with how everything's being handled and communicated and just like a lighter feel to it. So, you know, from the end of the season until now, are they in a better spot? Yeah. You know, obviously there's a million steps to go, but I think they did a good job in the first part of it.
Is it in your mind enough change, especially if it's Malhotra as the next head coach, which we all expect for this team to react to the worst season in franchise history with a quartet of internal promotions? Like, is that a risk in terms of selling that there has been change given that, you know, like we had all the answers. They were just in house and we weren't listening to them.
Is that a pitch that you think is complicated to make? To me, I think it is enough change. You're going to add in a coach and all new assistants. That alone is a lot. But there is a lot of these guys that have played in Abbotsford and their games have really grown in that period. So why not capitalize on that?
And let that guy that already has that familiarity in there... The thing that those guys that have played... If it does end up being Manny... What those guys are going to have to understand, though, the ones that played for Manny in Abbotsford and now are in Vancouver, the ones that are still in Abbey, they're like, oh, I got an inside shot here now.
Chapter 5: What lessons can the Canucks learn from NHL playoff teams like Vegas and Carolina?
things change quick. And it doesn't mean that he loses all, you know, remembering of everything that you've done for him in the past. But, you know, like it happened to me in Detroit. I had Jeff Blaschel in Grand Rapids. He ends up getting moved up the year that I'm like, okay, I'm actually going to make the team this year, like a real good chance. And he's there.
And I didn't feel like he gave me the leg up that I thought I had. If anything, it's... oh, this is a bad one considering the situation. I was going to say, it's like if you're playing for your dad and you feel like you have to overstep and really prove a point to your kid so the other parents see it.
That's what it almost felt like at different points because he wanted to make sure that there's a lot of veterans in Detroit still. I'm not just favoriting these guys.
I'm not just playing my guys.
But to your point, Rance, On the staff side, yeah, I think there's been enough change.
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Chapter 6: How important is overall roster construction for the Canucks' success?
I don't think they're... I mean, they haven't started, but the roster is going to be changed as well. I do think there's going to be at least one or two decent moves, and that mixed in with the rest of it, that is a ton of change.
On the subject of Manny Malhotra potentially becoming the head coach here, I know you've spent a fair bit of time around Abbotsford, especially in the Calder Cup run. What stood out to you, both just observing the games, but getting a chance to talk to Manny in that role? What kind of stood out to you about the things that allowed him to succeed in that role?
I mean, I've obviously had this question a decent amount lately. And the way I describe it is it's the same things I saw when I was skating with him in summers 15 years ago. It's the intensity, the attention to detail. And then honestly, you can umbrella all of that with passion. Right. The passion that he brings to the rink every day was no different when he was...
I don't want to say fighting for his NHL career, but knowing he was in the back half and having to make everything as perfect as possible to extend his playing time to now being an up-and-coming coach in a Calder Cup Finals and seeing that passion was the exact same. But again, how he interacted with his players and not just off the ice, but watching him from the booth up top, him on the bench,
Again, it's the American League. There's more swings than an NHL game, right?
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Chapter 7: What is the impact of coaching changes on team dynamics?
Like, it just is what it is. And with that Abbotsford team, there was... When they played their game, they dominated. They were physical and they were overwhelming with four lines. And when it got away from them, they started trying to make more plays... Me imagining myself behind the bench, I'd start losing my mind. Like, can you just stop and start hitting? Like, just stop. He looked calm.
Like, he knew that he had set up his team and put enough leadership in Chase Waters and the leadership group of that team. So he's like, they've got it. Like, I don't need to be all over them. And that's when you have a rebuild, like...
To me, yeah, you need to be on top of the young guys because they're young and you got to make sure you're doing it, but you also need to make sure you're giving them responsibility throughout. The fact that he has a kid that's in the exact age range as all of this and is dealing with that, it's not far-fetched. That's going to help as well.
Chapter 8: How should the Canucks approach their draft strategy this year?
He understands the push and the carrot. There's got to be both, but... Kerry can be fun with the push, right? Like, you got to be hard on guys. They want to be pushed. This young group, as much as we all say they don't want to be coached hard and all this, yeah, they don't want to get screamed at, but, like, they want to be better. Like, they're...
way more involved with their careers than your generations past it's all they think about it's all they do like they want to be pushed it's an interesting point about like he he knows a young high-profile hockey player very well right that maybe gives him some insight into into dealing with those types of players on that subject yeah have you been asked that question yeah i was gonna say and you brought up how would ray have been as a nhl head coach
your head coach because very different answers i think as yours i think me and my dad who have a great relationship would not have much of a relationship if he coached me in the nhl i will say though who knows maybe it would have been the thing where it's just like the firing back at each other but everyone else looking at us like god that family hates each other they have my mom yelling at us like it wouldn't have been good for anyone
So I guess the other way to approach that, though, is if you were another player on the team and there's OK, the coach, the coach's son is on the team at the NHL level. And I know it's hard to kind of talk in hypotheticals because it depends on how they're handling and everything.
But just like generally from your position as another player on the team, how do you think you would have handled that? What would your perspective have been on that?
I mean, again, it's a hard one because you're talking about different personalities. As much as... Honestly, Manny and my dad, they're both fiery guys, but they are different. And I don't know Caleb, but I would imagine me and Caleb are different. And for me...
i know it would have been a distraction like i between me and my dad like you know when i was younger we'd train our weed train like he'd run our stuff in the summers and it was awesome but he also knew that like if he wanted to get a message to me he was gonna yell at my buddy craig Because if he did it to me, it just, I didn't want to hear it. How'd Craig feel? Craig doesn't care.
It's Craig Cunningham.
Like, Craig, he wasn't listening anyway. He was already trying to figure out the next part of the drill. But like, for us, I just don't think that would have worked. Like, it would have been a distraction to me as the player. Like, just always thinking that he was looking over my shoulder. I wanted that separation. Yeah. I don't know what their relationship is and how that would work.
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