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Chapter 1: What recent trade impacts the Canucks' strategy?
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All right, fellas, let's focus up.
All right. It is your daily deep dive into what's up with the Canucks for today, June 25th. And we'll start with the headlines, but we'll start by putting a bow at least on this Valerie Natchushkin trade. Who was right? Yes, yes, yes. Whatever. Anyways, Columbus. Say it. You were right. Columbus sends a 2026 second round pick, a 2027 third round pick, and a 2028 fifth round pick.
to the Colorado Avalanche for Valerie Nachushkin. And that has been confirmed now by the Avalanche. And I'm very curious to see what the Avs do here. Because on the one hand, okay, you open up a bunch of cap space. Who are you bidding on? Who are you opening up cap space to bid on as a free agent that's going to improve your team more than Valerie Nachushkin?
Unless the baggage just became too much and you're willing to downgrade a little bit, from greater reliability, both in terms of availability and maybe just generally reliability, which is a possibility, then I could see that. Otherwise, though, it does suggest that they got to be looking to do something as a trade.
But then I look at their assets that they have and not getting a first-round pick here. They don't control a first-round pick in any of the next three drafts. They have an extra second now, so they have two seconds in this draft. But it's not as if they're overflowing with assets to go target a high-end draft.
player in a trade either but they have player capital right so yep nikwa is going into the final year of his deal you you bundle nikwa and columbus's second that becomes a pretty compelling trade package for a bigger piece um maybe you have to throw one other thing right um But, you know, and then and then like they need to clear space for the Zakhar Bardikov extension.
Don't forget that. Look, we just we needed the space to go along with Bardikov.
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Chapter 2: How does the Valeri Nichushkin trade affect Jake DeBrusk's value?
There's a low maintenance factor. Well, like teammate, you know, super, super professional. Um, and, and that I think makes him a totally distinct asset type.
from from right like there are teams that just wouldn't have done this deal yes in a way that i don't think exists with the brusks to brusks value i think is far more limited by the will he go east question than anything else yeah now curtis and t-town i like this canucks related take texan colorado has wait for it 11.6 million in cap space now and just moved two centers um
I think if Nick, Nick won a second doing it for you. Yeah. Are you kidding me? I'm thrilled. Let's go. I think if, if can you, can you, after all these years of me listing, Nick was this like value target while they were like in a competitive window. This is the year. Yeah, that would that would drive me nuts.
I know I'd be thrilled. I think I do. I think there's a zero percent chance or maybe slightly above zero percent that Elias Pettersson ends up playing on the Colorado Avalanche. But if he did, the NHL has to force them to participate in like a behind the scenes reality show because the Nathan McKinnon Elias Pettersson personality clash would be something to behold.
Yeah, I don't think we need that in our lives. I do. Are you kidding me?
I don't know if it Elias Pettersson does. You're cruel and unusual, my friend. I think it would be interesting. I think it would be good entertainment. Maybe Elias Pettersson would really get through to McKinnon and tone him down a little bit. Yeah, probably. That's probably how it would go.
Yeah, definitely.
All right. We will continue to keep our eyes peeled to see if there's any other movement, if Colorado does follow this up with another move of some sort, or if trades continue to come in. We're just over 24 hours now away from the NHL draft, so we'll see if the busyness...
continues here that we've seen around the NHL but we did hear from Canucks general manager Ryan Johnson earlier he spoke with reporters at Rogers Arena this morning we played it on our show in the first hour of the program and you know as we were saying look there's not with these pre-draft
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Chapter 3: What are the implications of the Canucks 'listening' to offers?
You know, imagine the no move clauses weren't really that much of a barrier and we could do all these things. What would the ideal off season look like? Cause that's really the part. One of the pertinent questions here is if Ryan Johnson could kind of wave his magic wand and, and transform this Canucks team going into next year, What would he want to accomplish?
And I don't really have an answer to that. Like, would he want to move Patterson, DeBrusque, and Filipronic, and Brock Besser, and bring in a ton of draft capital, and then supplement the young players on the team with veterans that you acquire elsewhere that can mentor them and be that shield and be that insulation?
Or would he want to just, you know, make these draft picks, keep most of these guys around, maybe move out one veteran, maybe move out Jake DeBrusque, maybe play some value bets in free agency and go from there. And without knowing kind of what his ideal scenario is, it's hard to judge what we're hearing.
But again, like the I just want instead of just listening, instead of just being open to what other people are telling you. Have an idea, have a goal, go out and try to achieve it. Go out and try to make it happen. If that goal is, I might disagree with the goal and then I'll still be annoyed.
But like, at least you're working towards something rather than just saying like, oh, maybe somebody will send us an awesome offer that we can't refuse. It's like, that's probably not going to happen. It doesn't happen that often. You have to do the work to create the market and achieve what you are trying to do.
And it's a long-term frustration of mine that goes back at least to the Jim Rutherford era here, Drancer.
Yeah, and I think it's reasonable. I mean, you do sometimes, I think, in this league, need to manufacture a market. You do need to be in the mix. And this comes back, too, to the idea that a good trade is a trade where everyone loses except the two teams cooperating against the group. Right. People say it's a win-win trade. It's like,
For the most part, every trade you're not involved in should lose you value. Right. Assuming reasonably rational actors and median outcomes. And so, when you are the team with the least value and the least talent, which the Canucks are unequivocally. Yep. Right? To be on the sidelines is necessarily going to cause you to lose value. Like, that's just...
I mean, that's theory, that's reality, that's the truth. And so going about finding ways like you want mentors, you might need to acquire them, right? Like that's what was always the Gallagher point. Or the little Bushkin point, right? Like you don't want your young players to get kicked in. Well, Dallas wants to move little Bushkin. The Bushkin has been around forever.
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Chapter 4: What trade assets do the Canucks currently have?
Totally.
And it's like, why are you, why is it all you're doing?
What are you doing? I'm listening. To what? The noise. No, except they're not listening to the noise. They're shutting out the noise.
I'll tell you what I'm not listening to. The noise that you guys are creating.
Yeah. I'm listening to the noise with my really tight team. We all hate each other. That's what we do. We've got a tight-knit group. Tight-knit group in here. We love to get together and listen to the noise. You guys don't understand. Me and my tight-knit group... We're listening. We listen to the noise. To the noise. What are we talking about? All right.
So we're talking about as much as the hockey world is.
We'll be on the air tomorrow for our normal show, of course. So we will still have a show pre-draft, pre-first round of the draft. So we don't have to make any predictions or anything like that. Yeah, we'll have a big draft preview. We're also on... At 8 a.m. Big draft show. For rounds two through seven, which I think starts at 8 a.m. So the Canucks will pick, like, as we come on the air.
All of us are on the whole day? No. No. I'm on until 10.30. You're on until 11.
Right, okay. I begged off the last segment. I would assume that doesn't get me through round seven. No, no, no, no, no. But it'll start anyways. Round seven?
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Chapter 5: How does Ryan Johnson's perspective shape the Canucks' future?
So we're looking forward to that, and we will see if anything else transpires with the Vancouver Canucks or around the NHL, the latest being the Valerie Nachushkin deal that went down just during our show. All right. Thank you to everyone for listening. Shout out to Sam Cosentino. Drance, I think you have a read to get done here.
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