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Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
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What's up? Welcome to Canucks Talk Sportsnet 650. I'm Jamie Dodd. My co-host is Thomas Drance. Drance covers the Canucks for The Athletic as well. We are broadcasting live from the Kintec studio. Step strong with orthotics and footwear from Kintec. 650-650 is... The Dunbar Lumber text line. What's going on, Drance? Not much, buddy. How are you? I'm doing great. You excited about the World Cup?
I am. I'm not. I was texting. I don't care at all. Earlier today. It like FIFA is objectively awful. Oh, I hate them. I hate Infantino. They suck.
They're horrible. You think I'm negative covering the correct organization. You should. You should. You should move full time on the FIFA beat. I don't think you're wrong.
I think that would be good. Yeah.
No, I'm actually... Yeah, the way that the last few weeks have played out and some of the compromises that FIFA's been willing to make, just the lack of guts and heart shown by an organization famous for its lack of guts and heart, the indelicacy with which they've treated a variety of people, even locally. Man... It's going to be fun, and I'm sure I'm going to get into it. That's the thing.
It's still World Cup soccer, and I'm still going to enjoy watching it. The problem is, though, is you only really need three points from the group stage to have, like, a 66-plus percent. Like, even this is watered down. They've really done a good job of messing it up. Of really making me care less. Like, until... Until the eliminations, I just feel like I'm going to struggle to get into it.
And even then, I would like for this tournament to be kind of a mess. I hope people look back on this and think FIFA did a really terrible job because they're a really terrible organization and they have done a really terrible job.
I would love for it to be a reckoning of sorts for FIFA. I don't know if that's possible. No, it's not. If there's any tournament that could do it, it's this one.
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Chapter 2: What are Ryan Johnson's comments on roster budgeting?
Yeah, because I would want like a not just a first round pick a good first round pick back in a deal for Filipronic. For the simple reason, and somebody texted this in, I don't see what the other avenues they have are to acquiring other ones, other than their own first-round picks going forward. So you kind of have to get it done if you're going to do the Philip Heronic deal.
But Heronic is an example of a guy who you should be able to do both.
Yes.
You can accomplish multiple things with that trade. And a lot of the teams that would want to acquire him, too, by the way, are going to want to shed salary and roster spots themselves, like for the most part.
Okay, we can talk more about your conversation with Ryan Johnson, but there are some other things that I want to get into. And first, and we should note this, former Canucks GM Patrick Alveen is now VP and an assistant GM for the Seattle Kraken.
And in the press release, and I saw people quote tweeting this, and I had to double check just to make sure it was real and not a troll from either reporters or members of Canucks Twitter. In the press release from the Seattle Kraken announcing this hire, Patrick Alvin says that the Seattle Kraken practice facility is phenomenal and the best in the league. He's not wrong.
It is a gorgeous facility. I got to say, that's my favorite Patrick Alvin quote of all time. He's not wrong.
Good for him. It's not wrong. He's not wrong. It's a gorgeous facility. It's also hilarious. Yeah. I mean, I've sent some photos from it that always get like 60 retweets. Like, wow, beautiful practice facility. It's hard to walk in there and not think, oh boy, the Canucks have fallen a decade behind this expansion team. And this expansion team's also done terribly.
So I don't want to oversell that. Sure.
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Chapter 3: How should the Canucks approach subtracting players during a rebuild?
So that's the latest headline. And hopefully this helps the Canucks. Like, with the offset. Yeah, that's what I mean. I mean, you need it. That's a serious chunk of change. Did you hear, um, did you, so Joe Sackick gave a press conference today, said Chris McFarland, best hire I ever made. Okay. And then said he learned in his first stint as GM, it's all about the staff he builds. Right.
And, you know, that's the other takeaway from Ryan Johnson's interview, right? Like, and I've been saying this for a while. I hope that these gentlemen are given the resources they need to succeed because I really do believe in them as individuals, right? My skepticism remains organizational, not about Henrik Sedin, Daniel Sedin, and Ryan Johnson.
My skepticism is that this organization isn't going to be as patient as this management team intends to be in terms of tearing down this roster, right?
My skepticism is that they're going to be far too budget conscious, um, elongating a rebuild that they could expedite if they carried themselves the way you'd expect a team in a Canadian market with this sort of revenue base to carry themselves with, um, that this team isn't going to understand that the optics of raising ticket prices at the start of the rebuild and also cheaping out in terms of shaping your front office and potentially spending to the cap is insane economics, um,
Chapter 4: What does Ryan Johnson say about the importance of patience in rebuilding?
Right. An organization that refuses to grow like they refuse to grow value. They refuse to grow their facilities. They refuse to contribute to growing youth hockey in Vancouver or being stewards and advocates in the community. Now, I know that new leadership intends to change that. I believe the Sedins when they talk about it. I believe Ryan Johnson when they talk about it.
But it takes resources and people and commitment. And I don't mean commitment in terms of just what one person throws in terms of their time and care at the problem, but organizational top-down commitment, resources, staffing, people to pull it off.
And my skepticism remains not about the people that the Canucks have hired, but whether or not this organization will put them in a position to succeed. And again, we're about to end. Ryan Johnson's about to hit the one-month mark. he is now significantly going to be trailing. Unless we get an AGM announcement tomorrow, which Alvin's departure might increase the odds of, by the way. Right.
As absurd, by the way, as absurd as that sounds, to even be saying that about the Vancouver Canucks, and for it to be credible, for it to be like, yeah, that might be part of the factor. I don't know what it is. I don't know if it is, but it might be. It certainly seems reasonable that it could be, is appalling. Fans should be galled by that right off the outset.
But if we don't get an AGM hire tomorrow, then he's demonstrably falling behind that sort of timeline that Sonny Mehta set in terms of bringing in and shaping his front office with the hire of Braden Birch, among others, that John Chayka set hiring Freddie Hamilton and Judd Brackett as an AGM. And obviously that McFarlane set bringing in Rob Blake in two days, like a real heavy.
And look, it's hard to hire experienced people if you don't have the budget to pay them. Yep. And so that's... Again, I'm not trying to hit the panic button. I believe firmly in Ryan Johnson. I just want to see him give it a shot to succeed.
Okay, fair shot. A few things I want to note in the broad sheet here, and we might have to kind of put a pin in them and talk about them later on in the show. But first, related specifically to the Canucks, Bruce Garriock reporting yesterday that the Ottawa Senators... are one of a group of teams with interest in Jake DeBrusque.
Garriott also notes Canucks might not be seeking much in return because they want very much to clear the contract. Now, of course, DeBrusque has a full no-move clause, so he has complete say over this. I would be surprised if he waves to go to Ottawa. But I would also say don't discount the Nate Schmidt scenario here, right?
Nate Schmidt waived his no trade clause to leave Vancouver for Winnipeg, which in retrospect should have been probably more of a red flag than it was at the time. The fact that he waived to go to Winnipeg. So you never know. Sometimes you just want out. Sometimes you just want out. For sure. I wouldn't bet on it, but it's always stuck in the back of my mind.
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