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OpenAI cofounder Greg Brockman on the scaling hypothesis and refactoring as a killer AI use case
18 Jun 2025
Greg Brockman—OpenAI cofounder and Stripe's first engineer—joins John Collison to talk about research-driven product development, an early moment he thought OpenAI was doomed, S curves in AI advancement, and energy bottlenecks.Full episode transcript:https://cheekypint.transistor.fm/1/transcriptTimestamps(00:00) Intro(02:51) Was OpenAI the first company to take the scaling hypothesis seriously? (04:53) Lessons from Dota about deep learning (08:08) What is a good new Turing test?(08:57) Personalization in AI (09:57) Research-driven product development(10:26) An early moment OpenAI felt doomed (15:01) OS limits on AI product development(17:59) When will AI make novel advancements in math or science?(20:03) Energy bottlenecks(22:30) S curves in AI advancement (24:00) AI coding (26:25) Refactoring as a killer AI use case(27:26) How OpenAI decides what products to built(28:53) Growing up in North Dakota(30:17) How far away is AGI?
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