Chief Change Officer
#318 Edward & Tricia: Collaborate to Compete—The Human Advantage
Wed, 23 Apr 2025
In the second half of their conversation, Edward J. van Luinen, Ed.D. and Tricia Cerrone reveal the system behind their decade-long collaboration—and the framework that became their book, Collaborate to Compete.But this isn’t just theory. It’s a Gen X playbook for how to lead, design, and scale collaboration that actually sticks. Grounded in five core behaviors—generosity, resourcefulness, co-creation, action, and gratitude—and powered by a noble purpose, their method flips the script on outdated workplace thinking. For Gen Xers who’ve quietly led with trust and integrity, this episode validates everything you’ve practiced—and gives you the language to teach it forward.Start With Self, Scale With Systems“Collaboration isn’t a team sport—it’s an individual practice.”They explain why collaboration isn’t about tech or tools, but behaviors—and why it must be designed into people first, not platforms.Five Behaviors, One Noble Purpose“Generosity. Resourcefulness. Co-creation. Action. Gratitude.”Edward and Tricia walk through the five behavioral anchors of collaboration—and why the ‘how’ must come before the ‘what.’Why the Old Workplace Models Are Failing“We’re still running on 1900s bonus structures—and wondering why collaboration breaks down.”They unpack how outdated incentive systems kill trust and team performance—and how leaders can redesign for shared wins.The Disney Story That Brought It Home“I watched a father put his arm around his son—and almost cried.”Tricia shares the moment that reminded her why collaboration must be human-centered—because when it’s done right, it doesn’t just produce results. It heals.From High Concept to DIY“Take the five behaviors and run a self-check. Which ones are you already living?”They offer tangible steps for leaders, founders, and managers to assess and apply collaborative behaviors today—without waiting for a reorg._____________________Connect with us:Host: Vince Chan | Guests: Tricia Cerrone and Edward J. Van Luinen --Chief Change Officer--Change Ambitiously. Outgrow Yourself.Open a World of Expansive Human Intelligencefor Transformation Gurus, Black Sheep,Unsung Visionaries & Bold Hearts.EdTech Leadership Awards 2025 Finalist.15 Million+ All-Time Downloads.80+ Countries Reached Daily.Global Top 3% Podcast.Top 10 US Business.Top 1 US Careers.>>>150,000+ are outgrowing. Act Today.<<<
Chapter 1: Who are the guests and what is their collaborative journey?
In today's episode, I sit down with two guests, Edward Van Duden and Tricia Strong, to talk about connection and collaboration. Yesterday, Edward and Tricia reflected on their own collaborative journey, which started 10 years ago at Disley. They turned a positive work relationship into a sustainable personal friendship that has now grown into a business partnership.
and a co-authoring collaboration on a book about collaboration. Today, part two will dive into the vision and framework for collaboration centered on a noble purpose and five key behaviors. What are these behaviors? How can we practice them? And why is collaboration so challenging today? I assure you, the method isn't just another software solution.
It's far more human-centered than what we're used to seeing. Let's start collaborating. Before we dive into the five principles in your book and the noble purpose behind it, I want to ask, why does this book matter? On the flip side, what is the problem you're trying to solve with the book? From what you've shared with me so far, you believe collaboration
Chapter 2: Why does collaboration matter in today's workplace?
is the solution to many of the biggest workplace challenges. So if collaboration is the key, that means there are a lot of issues in the workplace today. What are those problems?
as you see them, but we see collaboration as two or more people working toward a common goal where they are using all their knowledge, skills, resources, and potential to achieve it. And that's important because they have to feel like they're also uniquely contributing. Like you were Vince in that job where you were so excited to get out of bed. So it's important that they feel that.
I think also then the problem when people say collaborate, I'll back up. In 2014, there were a couple different studies that said collaboration was the cause for 86% of workplace failures, and that was Salesforce. And there was another study done that they were looking at Australia, and if they could just solve the problem of collaboration, they would make another $46 billion a year.
And Australia is a fairly small economy compared to some other countries, and that's a significant amount of money.
And as we look at these statistics of people measuring problems in the workplace of not being engaged and quiet quitting and having stress, like the youngest generation coming into the workforce, 91% of them experience at least one kind of stress, which is basically saying everyone is stressed. We do think collaboration is the solution.
Because the way we have designed it, you can design it into yourself and into your team and into your company. We're saying that you should design meaning and purpose, which is the noble purpose for the company and for the individuals. And we're saying you should always be leveling up yourself to in these behaviors of generosity and resourcefulness and co-creation and action and gratitude.
Because all five of those, we pick them for certain reasons because they interact and support each other and build on each other. And they actually impact our brain in different and similar ways that help us to think better, to be more resilient, to be more confident, to be happier and all these other things.
But we also had seen that people say, oh, go collaborate, but they don't understand what that means. What we have discovered in our work or what we believe from the work that we've done is that people just simply don't understand what collaboration is, and they're spending billions of dollars on a problem they don't understand. Two issues with that.
People think that the core unit of collaboration is teams or tools or technologies, but we're saying no, the core unit of collaboration is the individual. And so we all have to work on our individual skills first, or we won't be able to collaborate with anyone. There's this other piece of collaboration is not one action. It's a collection of actions or behaviors.
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Chapter 3: What are the five key behaviors that drive effective collaboration?
Let's say the noble purpose for the company is we make diapers and deliver them 24 hours a day to serve families at the messiest time in their life. And so that's an important thing. You're literally saving some mother's sanity and some little baby from diaper rash. That's the big emotional noble purpose of it.
So there's like what you are physically doing and the customer, the value and the change and the impact that you're having on their lives. Now that can get lost when you're just a little person on a team, maybe developing a new app for the company. You're the person programming and you can lose sight of the noble purpose for the company.
And so we always ask the leaders that you have to take that noble purpose and explain it to your team, the importance of this app for you. your end customer, right? Not just for the company ROI. This app is going to now be accessible to the mother or father for them to access and order diapers to be delivered within eight hours. Then with that programmer, you also want to let them know, look,
This app wouldn't happen without your unique skills, and our team wouldn't even function that if you didn't have that sense of levity in your work and the outgoing curiosity that you have.
so a leader wants to bring that noble purpose to the individual in a very specific and unique way so that person feels seen and valued for everything that they're bringing to the job and to the company and to the people they are serving in the bigger world we don't spend enough time
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Chapter 4: How is the noble purpose defined and why is it important?
First of all, articulating what the noble purpose is and the why. So link that, Vince, to your earlier question about you being motivated to want to go to work at one of your past workplaces. What happens? We are in back-to-back meetings for 10 hours a day.
We're just trying to get tasks done, but we need to spend time, as Trish says, sharing what is the noble purpose with the team and with each individual to ensure they understand the why and tie it back to Vince, what you said, so that I do feel like I want to get my head off the pillow and go to work, which I did at Disney. because the noble purpose is incredibly motivating at Disney.
to create things every day so tie the noble purpose explaining the why making sure it resonates and is real for the team member so that they want to get their head off the pillow and want to go to work and also at the end of the day have a dinner conversation that's exciting oh this happened at work today oh this team member did this our leader shared this information with me
Those are the deeply human metrics that drive collaboration. And I think we were able to do that.
Edward and I were both at Walt Disney Imagineering. So we were working to design the theme parks and experiences around the world. And one of my very first attractions that I did was in Epcot. And it was a small little attraction where you design a robot and then you race on a dance pan. You have these different winners. Opening week, there was this family that came in to play.
It was a father and mother, a very annoyed, cynical-looking teenage boy and a little girl. They start playing the game. They're looking, and then they start getting a little competitive with each other. Then they race, and when they left... The attraction, they were literally like walking off the dance pads and the son and the father like high-fived each other.
And the son's face was so transformed, like he had had fun and laughter. And their engagement while they were playing, it created a different space for them to engage. How they looked at each other was different and how they experienced each other was different. The dad put his arm around his son as they were walking out. And I literally almost started crying.
I might've been crying because that's the noble purpose for Imagineers. Yes, we're building these beautiful spaces and these rides that are fun, but what
continues to drive you when you're working 24 7 trying to install an attraction or something is the memory of i'm doing this for that family that has no other place where they can connect and see each other in the most important way fulfilling that desire that a parent has to connect with their kid and have a memory express love in a way they can't express it.
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Chapter 5: What real-life example illustrates the power of noble purpose?
When it comes to these five behaviors, generosity, resourcefulness, co-creation, action, and gratitude. I know each one could probably have an entire episode of its own with so much depth behind them, but I still love to get an overview of what they mean in the context of your methodology. How do these behaviors show up? How can we nurture and manifest them?
Not just for our own benefit, but also for the benefit of the team.
I can add to what Edward said. Let's just start with generosity. Generosity is basically giving to others. So it's about how you give to others. And it's always about assuming positive intent. When you are engaging with generosity and learning how to just be better at it and be more generous, you end up creating a safe environment for people to grow and contribute.
to speak up and to share crazy ideas, like ones that might be really innovative. And so safety is really important for people to feel like they belong and to speak up and contribute. The next one, resourcefulness, it's a very practical thing that you can grow, but it's all about growing your tools, your information, and your network.
Not just having them, but seeing different ways of using them and connecting them so that you can always find the answers that you need, which kind of leads into then co-creation. You can't always figure it out yourself. So having another person there is really helpful. And co-creation is an area of focus.
As a leader, there's a lot of skills in there that you really do need to develop ongoing that are going to help you with brainstorming, with coming up with new ideas. But at the foundational level, co-creation requires that you listen very well and that you ask open-ended questions. questions, more expansive questions that you're gaining information versus judging or being a naysayer upfront.
So co-creation is going to help you come up with new solutions for problems or those innovations or If something went terribly wrong and you pull your C-suite together and you're the CEO and need a bunch of ideas, you have the smartest people in the company there. So you don't want to screw it up and say, we've tried that before.
You want to really ask open questions to get the best of everyone in the room in a way that's positive and playful because that's when they do their best. When you're the leader, you have to take action. And a lot of people think they have to wait until they have all the information to act. And we're very much against that. You will never have all the information you need to act.
But if you take an action, even if it fails, you're going to learn and get more information and be able to make progress towards your goal or pivot. The last one is gratitude. You think about a high performance team, even athletes, they need to rest after delivering something or doing a lot of work.
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Chapter 6: How do the five behaviors support the noble purpose?
Chapter 7: How can leaders apply these collaboration principles to increase innovation?
So that's why the name of the book is Collaborate to Compete. Collaborate internally to compete successfully externally, right?
Yes. But don't become a competitor. Use the same to your excellent earlier question, Vin. And Trish, as we're all talking about, use the behaviors. Use the noble purpose outside as well. Don't turn into a different person once you're outside the company. You're a collaborative leader. You've built a collaborative team.
Extend those behaviors and noble purpose and process and roadmap that Trish was describing to your life. That's the true, we feel, innovation here.
So tell me more about this noble purpose. How do you define it?
Noble Purpose is really a combination of vision and mission. But it's more than that. So you have your company vision and mission, but then you might have a team who is doing a project within the company. And so you want to take that noble purpose for the company.
Let's say the noble purpose for the company is we make diapers and deliver them 24 hours a day to serve families at the messiest time in their life. And so that's an important thing. You're literally saving some mother's sanity and some little baby from diaper rash. That's the big emotional noble purpose of it.
So there's like what you are physically doing and the customer, the value and the change and the impact that you're having on their lives. Now that can get lost when you're just a little person on a team, maybe developing a new app for the company. You're the person programming and you can lose sight of the noble purpose for the company.
And so we always ask the leaders that you have to take that noble purpose and explain it to your team, the importance of this app for you. your end customer, right? Not just for the company ROI. This app is going to now be accessible to the mother or father for them to access and order diapers to be delivered within eight hours. Then with that programmer, you also want to let them know, look,
This app wouldn't happen without your unique skills, and our team wouldn't even function that if you didn't have that sense of levity in your work and the outgoing curiosity that you have.
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