Chief Change Officer
#376 Athena Brownson: Healing in Real Time—The Comeback Behind the Chronic Pain — Part Two
Sat, 17 May 2025
Comebacks rarely happen all at once. They’re built in small moments, with slow wins.In Part Two, Athena Brownson opens up about what it really takes to rebuild when chronic illness becomes your new normal. She walks us through her mindset rituals, the power of written affirmation, and how she finally learned the one thing no athlete ever wants to admit: she couldn’t do it alone.From retraining her brain to let go of pain patterns, to redefining leadership through delegation, Athena shares a playbook for resilience that’s part spiritual, part practical, and 100% earned. Whether you’re healing from illness, burnout, or just life’s curveballs—this is your reminder that growth is still possible, even in survival mode.Key Highlights of Our Interview:Training Her Brain to Stop Listening to Pain“Our brains get stuck in pain patterns. I use breathwork, affirmations, and routines to teach mine a new message: You’re safe. You’re healing.”Why Routines Became Her Lifeline“Every day starts with journaling, breathwork, affirmations. I write: I am healthy. I am healing. My body is getting stronger. I speak it until I believe it.”Delegation as a Leadership Superpower“Being sick taught me what being a leader really means—letting go. Delegation isn’t giving up control; it’s giving others a chance to thrive.”How Chronic Illness Redefined Her Business Model“I couldn’t keep doing it all. So I built a team that could run without me on bad days—and succeed with me on the good ones.”Your Tribe Is Everything“After ten years, I finally found people who want me well. Who care more about my health than a commission. They’re my family now.”The Mental Game of Chronic Recovery“You don’t need to fix it all today. Start with one percent better. That’s how I got out of survival mode.”Accountability on Paper“I print out my must-do list and check it off every day. If I don’t write it down, it doesn’t happen. It’s how I stay in motion.”Pen, Paper, and Confidence“Writing makes the healing real. Every word reinforces a new belief system—one I can see and hold.”Jodie Foster, Masterclass, and the Simplicity of Creation“All you need is pen, paper, and confidence. That line hit me. You don’t need a perfect plan. You just need to start.”Her Message to Anyone Struggling“It’s okay to acknowledge pain. Just don’t stay stuck in it. Tiny steps add up. Your healing doesn’t need to be loud—it just needs to begin.”______________________Connect with us:Host: Vince Chan | Guest: Athena Brownson --Chief Change Officer--Change Ambitiously. Outgrow Yourself.Open a World of Expansive Human Intelligencefor Transformation Gurus, Black Sheep,Unsung Visionaries & Bold Hearts.EdTech Leadership Awards 2025 Finalist.18 Million+ All-Time Downloads.80+ Countries Reached Daily.Global Top 1.5% Podcast.Top 10 US Business.Top 1 US Careers.>>>170,000+ are outgrowing. Act Today.<<<
Chapter 1: What is Athena Brownson's journey with chronic pain?
Hi, everyone. Welcome to our show, Chief Change Officer. I'm Vince Chen, your ambitious human host. Our show is a modernist community for change progressives in organizational and human transformation from around the world. Today, I'm talking to Athena Bronson, a real estate agent from Denver, Colorado. Nope, we are not talking about real estate.
Instead, we dive into her extraordinary journey of resilience. At the peak of her real estate career, Feeling invincible and unstoppable, Athena's life took unexpected turn. Strange health issues appeared, and she was eventually diagnosed with Lyme disease, a condition that would change everything. For the past seven years,
Athena has lived in chronic pain, relying on plasma transfusions four days each month just to keep going. Her life has revolved around battling this disease, something she never imagined facing. As she says, if life didn't give us adversity and challenges. This story is too powerful and real for just one episode.
In part one, Athena shares her experience with Lyme disease, a condition that remains poorly understood but has profoundly impacted her health. She'll talk about how she caught it, what she's endured, and the fight to survive. Today in part two, Asina will share how she not only survived, but found ways to thrive, rebuild her support system, and grow her career once again.
I really resonate with what you said about being our biggest advocate, especially in tough times. We hear a lot about IQ and EQ, emotional quotient, emotional intelligence. But there's another measure, adversity quotient or IQ, which seems less talked about yet. So crucial. I think we are all starting to see how important it really is. Your experience is a powerful example of this.
Physical pain is intense and medications might help here and there. maybe make sleep easier. But that's only part of it. It's the mental resilience that really keeps us going, especially in those moments when you are alone, in pain, facing it all. What stands out from what you've just shared is how you found ways to mentally change your focus even on the small things, to help you stay grounded.
It seems like that's been your best defense and maybe even your offense.
Does that feel accurate? You couldn't say it better. I think that is a beautiful way of putting it. I completely agree. I believe that the mental aspect of it is at least 50% of the challenge.
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Chapter 2: How does Athena train her brain to stop listening to pain?
Our brains are wired in a way that if we continue to think a certain thought, whether that's I'm in pain or I don't want to do this, I don't feel good, I don't want to get out of bed, when we're continually reinforcing those thoughts, we will have those thoughts because when you're in pain, you're in pain and your brain notices that. And unfortunately, that's an unavoidable truth.
But when we pair that with How am I creating new neural pathways? How am I creating positive affirmations in my life? How am I surrounding myself with positivity? What am I ingesting when it comes to what I'm listening to? What information I'm taking in? The people that I'm spending time with. For me, having routines is huge.
Chapter 3: Why are routines essential for healing?
So I talk about having your toolkit to get through challenging times, something for me that is really critical for my mental health and thus my physical health, because they do go so hand in hand. is having my morning and evening routines. And that involves doing breath work and meditation. That involves having time to journal and write out my affirmations and write out my goals.
I'm constantly writing out like I am healthy. I am healing my body. My body feels great because I want to tell my brain that I am doing okay.
I want to convince myself that my body can get through this because when I can convince my mind and nervous system that I'm going to be okay and that there's an end goal and I keep my eyes on really looking forward instead of downwards into the current state that I'm in,
That is where we're able to keep, I really believe that you're able to create more healing in the body physically when you're mentally working on strengthening your mentality and
I have many doctors, like my pain doctor, for instance, last week we did a class on breath work and there's been a huge number of studies done that show that when you're in pain and your nervous system is activated and is in fight or flight mode so frequently due to illness or pain, whatever you're going through, It's easy for your brain to get stuck in that pattern.
So it's up to us to make sure that we're doing the work to teach our brains and our nervous system that we're okay and we're going to get through this. And it's a challenge. And like I said, there will be good days, there will be bad days. But I believe that having routines and being able to stay goal oriented in any aspect of your life is absolutely critical for overcoming adversity.
You've talked about how you help yourself normalize the situation so that life and work could go on. You kept earning, kept things moving, especially with those high medical costs. Even with insurance, it still adds up. But beyond that, you mentioned the importance of building a support system with mentors, coaches, and others, which I think is crucial.
Can you share more about how you started building that from scratch and how you went about finding the right people, those who really became the perfect fit for your journey? Eventually, it seems like it grew into a really strong support system. One that not only provided you the help you needed, but also gave you a true sense of community.
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Chapter 4: What role does delegation play in leadership?
I love this, yes. So I firmly believe that I would not be where I am today in business, in life, in anything without the people that I am surrounded by. And as an only child and a professional skier, I was a one-man sport, a one-person activity all the time. Being an only child, I didn't have siblings to delegate or... really understand how delegation works.
So for me, building out the right team was something that I continued to work on was a huge challenge for me because I was a athlete that believed that I could get everything done myself, that it was my job to make sure that I did everything perfectly. The truth of the matter is there is absolutely no way of getting through
any of anything in life by yourself, let alone a real estate career, which is extremely taxing. I would say there was you could work 24 hours a day and still have a 24 hour to do list easily. And then taken me a lot of coaching, a lot of surrounding myself with people that have taught me really the art of delegation and the art of
understanding that we are not going to always be the best at everything. We need to know what our strengths are and what our weaknesses are because we all have strengths and we should be focusing on those. Our strengths might be someone else's weaknesses or their strengths are weaknesses. So by assessing strengths, really who we are, what we're good at, what we're not good at.
And for me, coaching has always been really important because as an athlete, I learned that a discipline and accountability but having someone that can look over your business or your life whatever it is that you're doing and help you see where your blind spots are help you understand and build the path that you want to be on and understand what your strengths are that you should be focusing on
You have to understand that about yourself before you can attract or bring in the right people around you. So for me, coaching was absolutely paramount and it continues to be. And I continue to learn how to delegate because I still have a tendency to want to get everything done by myself. But illness has taught me that I don't have the physical stamina to do everything.
And nor should I, because there are people around me that are much better at certain activities than I am. So for me to be trying to do those activities is actually robbing them of the opportunity to really thrive at something that they love. So it's taken me a good decade, I would say, to build a team of people that are
I look around me and I know that the people on my team would absolutely do anything for me. They want nothing more than for me to get my health back and they support me unconditionally through my treatments and they take amazing care of our clients. Honestly, my executive assistant, I like to call her my boss because Her skill set is so vast and incredible and the complete opposite of mine.
I wouldn't be able to get any of this, anything done without her, honestly. So understanding that we're not meant to do life alone. We're meant to do life in community. Whatever that may be, whether it's at work or outside of work, for me, my business has become my family. It is a very demanding business. Real estate is to perform at a high level. We work very hard.
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Chapter 5: How did Athena build her support system?
But the most important thing that I've learned, and I had to learn and continue to learn the hard way through not having the physical ability to do everything, is understanding that we're not supposed to be able to do it all ourselves.
And when we can find like-minded individuals that have similar visions in terms of why they're doing business and what motivates them and really find the people, I like to call them like your tribe. Who are the people that have your back unconditionally, that care just as much as you do about the business or about your clients or whatever it may be as you do?
And it's taken me years and years to find those people. But now that I have, it's truly the only reason that I'm able to continue forward with having a really successful business. is because I have people around me that not only care about me and my health and making sure that I'm able to take care of myself.
If I'm not able to get out of bed one day, I know that these people have my back and that they're going to take just as good of care of our clients. They want to build relationships. They put heart into everything that they do. And I honestly don't know what I would do without my amazing team.
But it's taken years and years of coaching and therapy and mentors to help me understand that I can't do it all by myself. And I need to, delegation is actually giving someone the opportunity to be their best and to empower them. And I will continue to learn how to do it, but I believe in teamwork more than anything.
You shared so much today about building a support system, rewiring your mindset, and finding ways to move forward is incredibly helpful. For those out there who might be in the middle of a live transition, just like you were, if you don't have a support system yet, there's still feelings stuck. And they are struggling with that rewiring process. What would you say to them?
What advice or encouragement would you offer to help them take that next step towards doing better, especially after listening to this episode?
Yeah, and that's what I would love nothing more is to be able to give people hope in whatever challenge or adversity that you're going through. But I would first say it's okay. It's okay to acknowledge when you're struggling. When you're going through hardship, there is somewhat of a toxic positivity that people can say, oh, just don't think about it. Like, you'll be fine.
No, it's acknowledged that you're going through a significant challenge. But don't allow yourself to get stuck there. And oftentimes I believe that we have a thought, a vision that we have to make all of these changes at one time.
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Chapter 6: What is the importance of accountability in recovery?
One thing I add to that is when you are practicing this mindset shift process, and making those small changes or steps forward. Make it visible. Grab an actual notebook, not on the computer, but a real paper notebook and pen or even a board you can put up on the wall. Write down each small win. check it off and create a visual reminder that says, I did it.
That simple action of writing, seeing those check marks and having a visual cue of your progress can really inform that sense of accomplishment. I think is a powerful way to feel and see your growth over time.
Chapter 7: How can writing affirmations aid in healing?
I completely agree. I write everything down by hand in a notebook. I believe that if you see yourself writing it, it gets into your brain and you're able to visualize it and internalize it in a completely different way. Thank you for adding that because I have a journal that I bring with me everywhere to write my positive affirmations that are my goals. It makes a huge difference.
And I really believe in the power of using just a pen and paper, which is something everyone can do. But these are tools that we have at our fingertips to hold ourselves accountable to being the best that we can be, no matter the situation that we're in.
100%.
You just gave me the biggest smile because I am a huge supporter of writing. It needs to be hand, paper, put your phone away and go. Just make it simple.
Jodie Foster once said, all you need to make a movie is pen, paper, and confidence. Despite her success as an actor, she didn't step into directing until later in her career, initially thinking she needed to master every technical detail. But as she shared in her masterclass, she realized that those three essentials, pen, paper, and confidence, were all she needed to start.
It's such a powerful reminder how simplicity and self-belief can be the true foundation for creating something meaningful. and sustainable. That is beautiful. Of course, I know all the scripts were crafted by a copywriter, but it felt so authentic. I believe she was speaking directly from her heart and her experience. It's so powerful.
So I'll leave you with that and share it with my listeners too. Pen, paper, that's power in them. A journal as well, by the way. And of course, a bit of confidence. Thank you so much, Athena.
Thank you for your time and sharing. Thank you. I appreciate your time and I hope you have a wonderful rest of your day. And I hope this inspires anyone out there. Please feel free to contact me if you need support.
Until next time, take care.
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