After D.B. Cooper disappeared, he became a legend—but the clues he left behind still baffle experts. In this episode, Morgan and Kaelyn dive into the infamous 1971 skyjacking, the hijacker's intense demands (like $200,000 in $20 bills), the Boeing 727’s rear stairway, and the cold precision of a criminal who never once lost his cool. Clues is a Crime House Original Podcast, powered by PAVE Studios. Listen wherever you get your podcasts. Don’t Miss out on all things Clues! YouTube: @CluesPod | @crimehousestudios Instagram: @cluespodcast | @Crimehouse TikTok: @Crimehouse Facebook: @crimehousestudios X: @crimehousemedia Clues is hosted by Morgan Absher & Kaelyn Moore Instagram: @morgsyabsher | @itskaelynmoore TikTok: @twohottakes | @heartstartspounding To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices
Chapter 1: Who are the hosts of the Clues podcast and what is the show's mission?
hello welcome to clues where we sneak past the crime scene tape and explore the key evidence behind some of the most gripping true crime cases and these aren't just ordinary cases they're complex puzzles where forensic science investigative techniques and sheer grit collide in order to uncover the truth and deliver justice i'm kayla moore and i'll be piecing together the timelines and bringing the history to break down the hard facts of these cases
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In 1971, a man in a suit boarded a flight, handed the stewardess a note, and by the end of the night, he vanished with $200,000 in cash. No body, no parachute, Absolutely no trace.
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Chapter 2: What is the infamous D.B. Cooper skyjacking case about?
Today, we're talking about D.D. Cooper, America's most stylish thief and its biggest unsolved mystery. Was he a criminal mastermind or was he just incredibly lucky? We'll break down the clues that have baffled the FBI for over 50 years right after a quick break.
kind of hard to read with these bad boys on. But before we get into today's episode, anything new? What's going on in your world?
Have you watched Bad Influence on Netflix yet? No. It's good. It's hard to say it's good. It's very interesting. It's like the number one documentary on Netflix right now. It's essentially a hype house for children that was operating in L.A. and it was run by this woman, Tiffany. She has this daughter, Piper. who is like a social media star.
But yeah, so Tiffany was like managing all these other child influencers. The documentary interviews a lot of those kids. Yeah. It's really dark. It's just really dark. Oh, no. The amount of work they had to do. She's putting them in uncomfortable situations. And like the whole thing is really shining a light on like how there's no rules surrounding child influencers.
But it's an interesting watch if you have time.
There's a lot of conspiracy theory cases about some of these influencer cult houses, essentially, like the dance one. Like her family, there's a dancer and her family has come forward and been like, she won't talk to us. They married her off. She's dancing and TikTok famous, but she won't talk to us.
Yeah.
There's a couple interesting stories.
I mean, it's kind of ripe for cults, right? Because there's so much money to be made. There's usually someone at the top telling everyone what to do. And then it just, yeah, there's so much bad behavior that happens. But this one especially, I mean, everyone involved was like 11 years old at the time. So it's really heartbreaking. It's really interesting, though. I'll add it to my list.
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Chapter 3: What were the conditions and protocols of air travel in 1971?
So a little bit of background about this case. First, it took place in 1971. So this was at the start of the air travel boom and very pre-9-11. There was no airport security. You could walk up to a gate, kiss your loved one goodbye. full access basically.
I sort of remember that a little bit.
I do too.
From my childhood.
The tail end of like walking my dad to his plane and flying. Yep. People didn't even have to buy their plane tickets ahead of time. Imagine that. You could just literally walk into the airport, pay with cash, board a plane. No identification verification. Wow.
I know.
Truly different era.
And also, one thing that was interesting reading about this era was there was actually a lot of airplane hijackings at the time. So many. A shocking amount. The CIA was getting about one report every single month from 1968 to 1972. It said that 137 planes were hijacked in the U.S. alone. Today, that's so unheard of.
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Chapter 4: Who was D.B. Cooper and how did he execute the hijacking?
But back in the day, they had a whole protocol on what to do if your plane got hijacked.
It's so crazy to think about because that's not a modern day fear. Like my biggest fear flying is turbulence.
Oh no, I'm afraid of like absolutely everything when flying. So it is something I think about when I'm in a plane. Which this story, we're going to get real deep in my airplane fears. I have really big airplane fears.
Really big airplane fears. I also, when I fall asleep on planes, I have nightmares on the plane that the plane is going to go down. Me too. I wake up with the plane crashing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's horrible. I just flew last weekend. Wing snapped straight down. Wow. Not a good dream. It's brutal. Let's talk about this hijacking and not as much about my nightmares.
So on Wednesday, November 24th, 1971, which is the day before Thanksgiving, and even back then, it was one of the busiest travel days of the year. At around 2.25 p.m., a man approached the counter of Northwest Orient Airlines at the Portland Airport. International Airport. When he filled out the ticket voucher, he signed the name Dan Cooper in block letters. Why block letters?
Can't get a handwriting sample off it. He appeared to be in his mid-40s. He was wearing a business suit with a white shirt and a skinny black clip-on tie from JCPenney's, which was said to be fastened in place with an imitation pearl tie pin. The suit was dark burgundy brown, and he had on a pair of dark loafers.
He also had an overcoat on and carried a bag that was described as looking like a briefcase of sorts. He was said to have an olive complexion and fancy Marcel waves in his hair. I read a quote that said, other than the fact he was wearing horn-rimmed sunglasses aboard the flight, there was nothing remarkable about this man. So I'm guessing no one was able to gather what color his eyes were.
Interesting. So when Cooper went to purchase his ticket, he actually asked the ticket seller if the plane was a Boeing 727. And the seller said, yes, it is. But for some reason, the seller didn't really think too much about it. He didn't think that was like a weird question to ask.
Yeah. I mean, I'm asking myself nowadays, is that a certain type of plane? And I'm honestly picking my flights based on it.
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Chapter 5: What were Cooper's demands and how did he manage the hijacking onboard?
pestered yes exactly so cooper turns around tells her to read the note she does and then she goes over and she sits by him and he opens his briefcase for her and florence in that briefcase she sees that there's a ton of wires and there's this big battery with a bunch of dynamite sticks wrapped around it and cooper told her that all he had to do was attach a wire to a little gadget that was fixed to the battery and everyone on the plane would be dead
And he demanded that she write down what he told her. He said he wanted four parachutes, $200,000 in $20 bills. Quote, I want $200,000 by 5 p.m. in cash. Put it in an out sack. I want two back parachutes and two front parachutes. When we land, I want the fuel truck ready to refuel. No funny stuff or I'll do the job. End quote. So with really no other option, Florence wrote all that down.
And then Cooper told her to give that note to the pilot. He wanted the items delivered upon landing at Seattle-Tacoma International Airport, SeaTac. And he wanted everything gathered ahead of time so that he was not going to have to wait on the tarmac at SeaTac.
I do have to say, asking for four parachutes, pretty strategic for our guy Dan here. Because if he had asked for just one, they could have given him a dummy parachute. He could have instantly plummeted to his death. But by asking for multiple parachutes, it kind of made people think he was going to take hostages.
And obviously, they weren't going to let innocent people get caught in the crosshairs here. So they made sure they were giving him the real deal.
Absolutely. And so Florence goes and she takes that note to the pilot. And when she comes back, Cooper asks her to give him the note back, which is important to remember. And of course, she does exactly what he says.
So this would have been a clue, but nope, gone.
Exactly. He was being very mindful of the trace he was leaving behind on this plane. And so while all of this was going on, Cooper actually has another flight attendant, Tina Mucklow, come and sit next to him. And according to Tina, Cooper noted that they were flying over what looked like Tacoma at the time.
And this is kind of a mini clue here because that detail did have investigators speculating that Cooper was familiar with the area.
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Chapter 6: How did the authorities respond to the hijacking and what challenges did they face?
Yeah, there's a quote from one of our sources for this episode, an article called How the Hunt for D.B. Cooper Worked by Josh Clark. A little later in the article, he goes on to say, quote, They kept money pre-assembled in stacks of varying amounts to make it look like the money had been hastily gathered. In reality, each bill's serial number had been recorded and stored on microfilm.
Banks do this in case of armed robberies, but in this case, it worked just as well for skyjacking. Really smart on their end.
Really smart. So while Cooper demanded four parachutes, it wasn't necessarily an easy task for them to gather all of them. But the manager of SeaTac Airport knew someone who actually agreed to give them four chutes. But amidst the chaos of everything that was going on, they accidentally handed over a dummy reserve chute. So this is the kind that's used during training.
The main canopy of it is sewn shut. So these chutes are always marked with a big X because you have to know that this is not the right chute. You cannot mix these parachutes up. So how they ended up getting one of those on the plane is still kind of beyond me.
But the plane ended up circling for three and a half hours while they were scrambling to get the chutes, get the money, get everything before it finally landed.
Three and a half hours is such a long time. This was only supposed to be a 30-minute flight. A 30-minute flight. A 30-minute flight. Are the people on the plane panicking? Because I would be in full panic at that point. I would be terrified. I was a flight attendant. I literally used to be a flight attendant. Scared of turbulence. I don't know how the heck I did it. Explain that, you guys.
But it's scary when you circle or burn fuel or go back up. The scariest thing, actually... And I was always the least superior on the roster. So I was the one that had to go in the cockpit when the other pilot came out to pee because you always have to have two people up there. And the other pilot turns around and he's just talking to me and the plane's flying itself and we're bumping around.
But another thought here, me and my flight attendant experience, they're so lucky they had enough fuel to even circle for this long.
Yeah, that's a good point, actually, because usually on those small flights, right, you don't fully fuel up.
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Chapter 7: What was unique about the Boeing 727 that enabled Cooper's escape?
He had done a lot of research or he was a pilot himself because to know the exact angles that the wings have to be or he was familiar with hijacking planes. And but he had a lot of information on what to do.
It's definitely giving inside job, especially given this fact. Right. Pilots talking to Boeing. They can't take off with the aft door down, which, OK, drag. This isn't a little plane carrying a banner. That makes sense. Yeah. But Cooper knew that it could be deployed in flight and he knew that the pilots would not be able to do anything about it.
See, at this time, there was no child lock or control in the cockpit that would prevent that aft staircase from deploying. So in flight, you could go to the back and just control it from back there. And the flight crew up in front would have no way of stopping them.
So anyone could really go back there and deploy the stairs mid-flight. If you knew how to do it. Wow. Interesting. And so for what it's worth, the pilot didn't think that the plane could go as slow as Cooper was asking. Again, you go faster than that to take off. So Cooper ends up telling him, yes, it can.
I know you don't think this plane can go that slow, but I promise you it can do what I'm asking. And so the pilot, I guess, trusted him and decided to go as slow as they could. I mean, good pilot.
Hopefully he would have felt a stall coming on. But I don't know if you've seen videos, but it's kind of giving the same energy as Sky King. No, what's that? R.I.P. if you know, you know. Sky King is a guy who hijacked a plane in modern times and was doing barrel rolls and loops. Oh my gosh. He wasn't a trained pilot. Right.
Wasn't that also up in Oregon? Yeah.
I think so. Yeah, I think so. Hijacked a whole plane, a whole plane, like a big modern plane. So, I mean, it's it's again giving inside job. He was he was a ground crew. That's how he got access to that plane. Oh, that makes sense. That makes sense. But back on track here, even though Cooper was happy with the money, there were a few issues.
OK, Caitlin, earlier you mentioned that part of Cooper's request was that the cash be delivered in a knapsack. but it was actually delivered in a canvas bag. And basically, that meant that he would need to make a handle for this bag, which he did using a knife, which he had on board with him the whole time, apparently.
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Chapter 8: What happened after Cooper jumped, and what clues did the FBI find onboard?
And unfortunately for everyone, that just made him seem even cooler because that was a way better. So the public really latched on to that. And overall, even though everyone's talking about this case, going home for Thanksgiving and talking to their parents about it, not a lot is happening. We have those clues that we found, but there's not much beyond that.
And at some point, the FBI starts wondering if Cooper actually died during the jump. But again, there's not really any proof of that happening either. They haven't collected a body. But really, he's not turning up anywhere. And one agent in particular, this guy named Ralph Himmelsbach, he releases a book about the case in 1986.
And in it, Ralph, who was a pilot himself, he was actually in a helicopter that was trying to track Cooper. But he says that he believed D.B. Cooper, quote, probably hadn't even gotten his chute open and plunged to his death, winding up buried by the impact on the forest floor in the Cascade Mountains. Pretty pessimistic take there. I know. So really doesn't think he survived.
And one more thing to note here, actually, is that Ralph eventually retired in the early 1980s. And after that, he finally got the chance to meet with Captain William Scott, who was the pilot of Flight 305. And after they meet, Ralph starts to believe that Cooper's landing zone actually wasn't where they initially searched, but actually 40 miles east of the area they were searching.
Which is significant. That's a huge difference. That's a huge radius. But despite a massive manhunt, there's really no more movement in this case and no known potential suspects. But a few months later, would you believe another skyjacker struck? And the M-O sounded a lot like D.B. Cooper.
So according to the FBI's website, on April 7th, 1972, United Airlines Flight 855, a Boeing 727, sound familiar, was traveling from Los Angeles, California to Newark, New Jersey with 85 passengers and a crew of six people. The flight had a layover in Denver and then took off just before 5 p.m.,
About 20 minutes later, at 5.18 p.m., quote, a male passenger was observed in his seat holding a hand grenade. And this guy had boarded the plane using the name James Johnson. An off-duty pilot who happened to be on the plane checked out the situation.
He was trying to not be suspicious, but it didn't work because the guy pulled a pistol on him and then handed him a sealed envelope with the words hijack instructions on it. And in that letter, the guy demanded $500,000 in cash and four parachutes. And he also ensured that all of the written notes were handed back to him. Sounds oddly familiar. There's a lot of similarities in this case. Yeah.
I mean, there could have been copycats, but it is very, very similar. So the crew decided to land in Grand Junction, Colorado, and the pilot told everyone on board that the aircraft was experiencing a, quote, minor mechanical problem. Again, why I don't trust anything that happens in the air. They are lying to us. That way the passengers wouldn't be worried about the abrupt landing.
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