e117 - deeper into the forest (bonus)

a conversation between robin and myself about the origins of this poem (in memoriam Robin Mathews : November 1, 1931 - April 25, 2023)(in memoriam Robin Mathews : November 1, 1931 - April 25, 2023)Transcription of bonus episodeRobinThat's a funny poem. ClaudeWhat's it about, do you think? What do you remember it being about? Do you recognize it as your own? ? RobinI do recognize it, but I don't know where it came from. ClaudeWell, you wrote it just a few weeks ago on January 1st. You talked something about the grimms myths, that deeper into the woods is a reference to that. Does that ring a bell? RobinYeah. Grimm's fairy tales, I think has the line and they went deeper into the forest. ClaudeRight. So that might have been an inspiration. RobinMight have. Without even connecting to it. ClaudeWell, what I'll try to do is to illustrate it a bit with sound. RobinOh, neat. ClaudeYeah with some wind sounds and some of the, the sort of distant voices.  It's a beautiful poem. Thank you. RobinOh, good. I’m so pleased. Where did these things come from, eh? ClaudeYeah, from the poet. It's a bit of haunting poem because it has these illusions to going under water and distant voicesRobinAnd being aloneClaudeMaybe that's the way you were feeling on that day. RobinDon't ask me ClaudeI mean, poetry is like that, right? It just comes out and you're not sure exactly what you're feeling but the words are there RobinAnd the idea that the surface is up there somewhere and you're under it, you know? ClaudeWe've had a lot of conversations over the years about poetry and political poetry. I don't know if you remember, but we did a number of interviews and you read a lot of your poems as well. I RobinYou've got them, have you? ClaudeYeah, I have them. You know, so maybe I'll publish some of them if that's okay with you and make them available. RobinYeah.ClaudeYou sent us postcards over the years you used to paint on a postcard and then write a little note and send them in the mail and so we have a whole bunch of them at home of your paintings. RobinYeah. I remember. I don't know why I stopped doing that. It's kind of fun to get original postcards. ClaudeAnd we collected them. Maybe you ran outta landscape.. RobinOr paint. ClaudeOr paint or postcards… *END NOTES FOR ALL EPISODESHey conscient listeners, I’ve been producing the conscient podcast as a learning and unlearning journey since May 2020 on un-ceded Anishinaabe Algonquin territory (Ottawa). It’s my way to give back.In parallel with the production of the conscient podcast and its francophone counterpart, balado conscient, I I publish a free ‘a calm presence' monthly Substack see https://acalmpresence.substack.com.Your feedback is always welcome at [email protected] and/or on social media: Facebook, Instagram, Linkedin, Threads, BlueSky, Mastodon, Tik Tok, YouTube and Substack.Share what you like, etcI am grateful and accountable to the earth and the human labour that provided me with the privilege of producing this podcast, including the toxic materials and extractive processes behind the computers, recorders, transportation systems and infrastructure that made this production possible. Claude SchryerLatest update on November 13, 2025

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