192: EU Green Policy - The Science-Politics Divide with Faustine Bas-Defossez

How much influence do personal experiences of high-ranking officials have on EU environmental policies? What happens when science-based conservation collides with political interests? Can farmers and environmentalists find common ground in nature restoration? In this episode, I talk to Faustine Bas-Defossez, Director for Nature, Health and Environment at the European Environmental Bureau (EEB), who provides insights into the complex world of EU environmental policymaking.In our conversation, we discuss several pressing environmental issues, including the recent changes to the Common Agricultural Policy (CAP), the controversial recommendation to lower wolves’ protection status in Europe and the implementation challenges of the Nature Restoration Law. Faustine explains how scientific evidence sometimes takes a back seat to political motivations, using the example of how a single incident involving the European Commission President's pony influenced wolf protection policy. She also discusses the challenges of balancing agricultural practices with environmental protection, highlighting the systemic changes needed in our food production and consumption patterns.The discussion ends on an optimistic note with Faustine sharing a success story from the Strategic Dialogue on the Future of Agriculture. She describes how representatives from seemingly opposing interests - from environmental NGOs to industrial farming organisations - reached a meaningful consensus on future agricultural policies. This achievement demonstrates that despite the challenges and polarization in environmental politics, collaborative solutions are possible when stakeholders commit to constructive dialogue.Subscribe to Tommy's Outdoors: Conservation and Science NewsletterSupport the Podcast and Buy Me a Coffee.Recommended Books: tommysoutdoors.com/booksMerch: tommysoutdoors.com/shopFollow Tommy's Outdoors on Bluesky, Twitter, Instagram, YouTube and Facebook

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