Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
This is an iHeart Podcast. Guaranteed human. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Savannah Guthrie's mother, Nancy Guthrie, missing day 44. What do we know tonight? What are the latest developments in the search for Nancy Guthrie? And why are people piling on Savannah Guthrie at the possibility she may try to go back and work, to try to resume her life with her family and her children?
Why is she being attacked? I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. I want to thank you for being with us. Dave Mack, joining us, Crime Stories investigative reporter.
Chapter 2: What are the latest updates in the search for Nancy Guthrie?
Dave, what's the latest? Nancy, it appears that the FBI has been able to get additional thumbnail pictures and video from Nancy Guthrie's home. We're talking about from the roof and other cameras that actually cover the side of the house and the backyard and the driveway. So all of the area around the house actually is covered in video and picture form, but
What we're being told is that this video, these pictures only cover the, I'm trying to remember the exact order here, but they don't actually show anything out of the ordinary. And even though they show time right up until the time Nancy Guthrie disappears and they show time after Nancy Guthrie is gone, the time period in question where we believe she was kidnapped and taken from her home
No pictures or video from that time. There are pictures of people that are walking around the swimming pool area in the backyard.
Chapter 3: Why are people criticizing Savannah Guthrie during this crisis?
And if you remember, the FBI investigators spent a lot of time around the pool. They looked along the edge of the pool and in the area around it, spent a lot of time out there. Now we've got pictures documenting who was out there. But by the way, only up until the time Nancy Guthrie went missing And after the time she was reported missing.
So we've got a blackout of video and pictures that we don't see anything. We actually, believe it or not, have pictures of police officers who arrive and do the initial investigation just after 12 noon, the day she's reported missing. But we have nothing for the preceding 12 hours or even more than that. So there's like a blackout of that time period. That's been the biggest news.
And there are people seen in pictures. There are people seen in videos. None of this is going to be released to the public, as law enforcement says, has nothing to do with the case. So whether or not we ever see these pictures, I don't know. We'll have to just wait and see. But there has been other activity surrounding the Nancy Guthrie case. As always, there's just so many rumors.
It gets really crazy at certain times. The cameras that are on top of the house and around the house are really the biggest important part of the investigation right now. The other part that we have talked about, the Wi-Fi, the Wi-Fi jammer, okay? Because we do have like a blackout period around the time Nancy Guthrie disappears, the time she vanishes. It's like from, you know, 145 to 230 a.m.,
Wi-Fi goes down in her house. We also have the next door neighbor behind her house. Okay, there's a house that actually faces, their front yard faces Nancy Guthrie's backyard and swimming pool area. Well, those are the people who actually said their dog started acting up that night around 2.30 in the morning.
This is a dog that doesn't bark at night, sleeps through the night, doesn't cause any problems. And that when they went and checked their video feed to see, hey, what's going on out there? Why is our dog barking?
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Chapter 4: What evidence has been gathered from Nancy Guthrie's home cameras?
The dog was barking towards Nancy Guthrie's backyard. And none of their doorbell cameras, their actual security cameras, would connect with the Internet. Now, they have four cameras, two facing towards Nancy Guthrie's house and two facing the front of their own house. The two facing the front of their own house worked just fine. No problem there.
It was the two cameras that were pointed towards the backyard of Nancy Guthrie. Those were the cameras that would not connect to Wi-Fi, would not connect to the Internet. So they didn't get any kind of signal from what was taking place between 2 and 2.30 in the morning. but their dog was going crazy. So that's another of the things that we're actually spending time on today.
But just a quick review, Nancy. We've got thumbnail pictures and video from the FBI that they're not going to give to us. They have them in thumbnail form. I don't know why that is. But they're not going to show them to us as they say they do show people before Nancy Guthrie's disappearance, walking around the backyard and in the driveway, and they show time after.
But none of the time in question between, say, 1.30 a.m. and 2.45 a.m., nothing from that time period shows up on these new videos slash pictures that the FBI is presenting. Also, Nancy... The Uber driver that picked up Nancy Guthrie picked her up at 5.32 p.m. and was taking Nancy from her home to her daughter Annie Guthrie's home. It's not a long drive. It's a 10-minute drive, you know.
But immediately after this case broke, sheriff's department sat down with the driver. They interviewed the driver of the Uber. the Uber driver turned over all the video from inside the vehicle. This was looked at by the investigation. They found nothing of substance of anything of Nancy Guthrie in the vehicle, anything she said, her demeanor, nothing was mentioned.
They interviewed the Uber driver at length and again, there was nothing to report. It was just a regular pickup and drop off. Remember, Guthrie only took the Uber leaving her house and going to Annie and Tommaso. Annie and Tommaso, a family member, dropped Nancy Guthrie off at 948. So that's the tie up there. But again, the Uber driver video has been given to law enforcement.
They haven't released it to the public. Straight out to Scott Eicher joining us, digital forensics expert, founding member of the FBI cellular analysis survey team. He has taken an integral role in the search for Nancy Guthrie, now at Precision Cellular Analysis. Scott Eicher, what do you make of it?
Well, Nancy, the video that they can get from Uber drivers not only faces the passenger, but also faces the direction of where the car is going. These are all things that we have learned that can be helpful to investigations. We've had murder cases where we've tracked a phone or a car into the area of the
of the homicide, and we were able to pick up from the Uber's cameras faces of people as they were walking by, license plates of vehicles that are in the area. So initially, when we think about this Uber driver, it's just a ride from Ms. Guthrie's house to Annie's house. That's not the time of the crime. maybe as they said, this is not related to the case and it's not very helpful.
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Chapter 5: How did the Wi-Fi blackout affect the investigation?
I want to tell you what happened, Dr. Bethany. I may have told you this before. My fiancƩ was killed when I was in college shortly before our wedding. He was murdered. Years later, of course, I dropped out of school. I had been studying English literature to teach at a college level or university level, to teach Shakespearean literature. That dream was destroyed.
I ultimately went back to school and, as you know, on to law school to be a victim's rights advocate. Years later, of course, I prosecuted for three years. I was a fed for three years and then as a violent crime prosecutor in inner city Atlanta for over ten years. Well, after that, go with me. The time frame is important. I ultimately go to Court TV, then CNN's HLN.
This all took years, years in the works. Okay. I flew down from New York to Atlanta to visit my family, and I had taped that night live. It wasn't taped. It was live, our HLN show. I hadn't eaten yet. since the day before dinner. So I met members, guests, like yourself, that were here in Atlanta that had been on the program that evening. By now, it's like, I don't know, 9.30 p.m.
And we went out for Cajun. And I was sitting there. Somebody said something funny. I started laughing. A guy that I didn't recognize came over to our table, Bethany, and and said, I'm a friend of Keith's, your dead fiance, and I don't think it's right that you're sitting here laughing.
After all the suffering and the pain, all those years of reliving Keith's murder and that, and when I see people online attacking Savannah because she might go home to her children and she might try to resume her life, It's evil. Bethany, why are they doing that to her?
I think, again, as I keep saying the idea, let's think about you eating Cajun and you're enjoying yourself in that it the person that says, I don't think you should be laughing because I know your fiance died. can not imagine that you worked through the grief, you've transformed it into your life's work.
And by the way, you haven't gone too far from your roots, because everything we talk about on this show is Shakespearean, so you're still doing the same thing you set out to do. But that person did not have the capacity to imagine that you're surrounded by loving family. Perhaps you're starting to date. You have a warm community. You have the capacity to recover.
Nancy, we all have the capacity to recover from almost anything, whether it's being molested as a child, being abused. We can transform those experiences into a very wonderful, meaningful life. especially if we have good community and good attachment systems. And for this guy to see, you know, you're sitting there with a group of people and you're laughing and you're enjoying your life.
He might've, I keep going back to basic envy. He might've been envious at the fact that you knew how to live a good life. He may have known that you were on HLN or known that you were on TV and that, that stirred up resentment in him.
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Chapter 6: What role does the Uber driver play in Nancy Guthrie's case?
I think I need a shrink, a shrink and a drink. But since I don't drink, I'll have to go with just the shrink. Joining us, renowned psychoanalyst out of the L.A. jurisdiction, Dr. Bethany Marshall. author of Deal Breakers. You can see her now on Peacock and find her at drbethanymarshall.com.
Dr. Bethany, I understand the reticence for admitting you're a fan of certain reality TV shows, but to blame them for Ms. Guthrie's disappearance? Well, you know, conspiracy theorists almost always believe that there's some nefarious group that has banded together for some secret purpose.
But in this case with this woman, she believes she has some superior or unique way of looking at the situation. It's also based on something called confirmation bias, Nancy. Confirmation bias is when you develop an idea and then you keep looking for data to confirm that idea. So she may have had woken up some morning with this little idea in her head that there was a reality TV show
that they were concocting. And then she keeps looking for clues to bump up her theory and to convince herself she's right. Yeah, you know what? You pointed out something very interesting. Once you get hell-bent on a theory, then suddenly you find yourself making all the facts fit into your theory.
Now, we're showing you desert law from A&E, and I assume that is the reality show she's talking about. Next thing you know, she'll be blaming the Kardashians. But... I will have to give her this, Bethany. It is an unfortunate turn of events that the Pima County Sheriff's Office is involved in a reality show in the midst of the search for Nancy Guthrie.
So, I understand Veronica and the baby boo's concern. Okay, here's another one. Blaming a, quote, semi-famous EDM house music producer. What is EDM? It's kind of a high-energy electronic sub-genre of dance music. It's a repetitive four-on-the-floor beat. Anyway, listen. I think a semi-famous EDM house music genre
is the one who took Nancy Guthrie because of the location of where they were the night before and the night into the kidnapping. Also, a video from 2017 on their Facebook page is the exact gloves. Dr. Bethany, help me. That's from Carissa Unmasked on TikTok.
Have you ever had a client, I've had this happen in court, where somebody looks really, really intelligent and they act very intelligent and they are articulate and they look you in the face and they emphasize the right words and they are crazy.
Yes, because this tendency towards believing in conspiracy theories is associated with a personal desire to feel superior, to feel unique, to feel above everybody else. So these people tend to be very, when we think of narcissism, they tend to be very kind of grandiose, charming, beautiful. They tend to put themselves together. So they can be very convincing, Nancy.
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Chapter 7: How do conspiracy theories impact public perception of the case?
We're all talking about it. But that doesn't mean there's a big cause. But it could be that something very minute or small or unfortunate happened. that has burgeoned out into all of this. So big events don't necessarily have big causes, but conspiracy theorists do want to think that.
We have learned that at this hour, an entire team of FBI behavioral analysts are reviewing every move made by the porch guy, as we have called him, to determine what, if anything, they can learn about his identity.
Joining me now, renowned in her field, Patti Wood, body language and behavior expert, president of Communication Dynamics, Inc., and author of Snap, Making the Most of First Impressions Body Language. Patty Wood, thank you for being with us. Let's take a look at the video and figure out what, if anything, we can discern. And trust me, I have used body language in cases.
Specifically, Patty, the first one I can recall was a bank robbery, my first ever bank robbery. And I noticed the defendant was slew-footed. He walked like a duck. Trust me, Patty, when he ill-advisedly took the stand, every juror hung over the rail to watch him walk. And sure enough, he walked like a duck. Busted, amongst other evidence. And then I had a serial killer.
that was a chef, and he walked with a drag. He pulled, it was very subtle, but he pulled his right leg behind him with every step. He was a little slow with the right leg. These things matter, and sure enough, That was the perp. Now, I can't wait to hear your analysis of everything you see in this video. Let's show the video to the viewers as she speaks. OK, Patty, the floor is yours. All right.
Now, this is when he's covering up the camera. And I want you to notice he's having to go look for something to cover it, which is in dissonance and great contrast. with how he's armored up, has the mask on, has these heavy, heavy rubber gloves, I want to come back to that point, and this backpack loaded.
And here he is using a paper or plastic bag and some plants to cover up the camera as if he had not pre-planned that part of the process. which is very, very unusual. I also want you to notice as his hand movement, he is not scared. His hands are not shaking. He is purposeful. I'm going to get something. I'm going to cover it up and notice how slow his movements are.
Again, he's not showing fear. There's just a deliberate purposefulness. And it's interesting that his pace is not hurried at all. Does that make sense to you? That's so interesting. It makes perfect sense to me. He seems very methodical, Patty Wood. I hadn't really thought of it that way.
And if we look at that other shot of him actually entering the doorway, let's talk about that specifically as you show it, I want you to look at his stride. Look at how broad his stride is, specifically the step up. His feet are very far apart. That's about at least 14 inches, if not more.
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