Cultivating Place
Episodes
The International Rescue Committee's New Roots Program-base in Denver & non-profit ReGeneration Now
10 Mar 2022
Contributed by Lukas
This week is a timely and rich with agency conversation on gardens by and for refugee populations. Areti Athanasopoulos is a Denver, Colorado-based la...
Restorative Economics = Flower House Detroit + Detroit Black Farmer Land Fund
03 Mar 2022
Contributed by Lukas
Lisa Waud is a collaborative, large-scale floral and installation artist who likes to invite people in to enjoy flowers, and from there into a convers...
Winter Gardens, in conversation with UK based photographer Andrew Montgomery
24 Feb 2022
Contributed by Lukas
Deep into the Winter season, with February’s full moon behind us, this week Cultivating Place is in conversation with British-based garden photograp...
Conserving Plant Diversity, with the Nature Conservancy and the Native Plant Trust
17 Feb 2022
Contributed by Lukas
Reports from around the globe in the last 25 years about the alarming loss of biodiversity on our planet sit heavily with every gardener I know. With...
Plantlife International, in conversation with CEO Ian Dunn
10 Feb 2022
Contributed by Lukas
Plantlife International is a British conservation charity working nationally and internationally to save threatened wild flowers, plants, and fungi. ...
Coming to fruition, Fruition Seeds, with Petra Page-Mann
03 Feb 2022
Contributed by Lukas
Coming up on Cultivating Place this week, we’re in conversation with a new generation seed farmer, Petra Page-Mann. Petra is a co-founder with her h...
Larner Seeds for The California Landscape, Judith Larner Lowry
27 Jan 2022
Contributed by Lukas
Judith Larner Lowry is the plantswoman behind Larner Seeds – Seeds for the California Landscape – Restoring California One Garden At A Time, found...
BEST OF The Palestine Heirloom Seed Library, Vivien Sansour
20 Jan 2022
Contributed by Lukas
On Cultivating Place this week, as we revisit a Best Of conversation with Vivien Sansour, the heart and head behind The Palestine Heirloom Seed Librar...
Johnny's Selected Seeds, Independent Home and Market Grower Seed Supplier
13 Jan 2022
Contributed by Lukas
As seed catalogues continue to arrive in our mailboxes and in-boxes daily, filling our notebooks and dreams, we take a behind the scenes look at an in...
The Seed Keeper(s), with Diane Wilson
06 Jan 2022
Contributed by Lukas
To welcome the new year, Cultivating Place stays with the theme of seeds – this time focusing on seeding our imaginations in conversation with Diane...
New Year & Brave New Seed, Kellee Matsushita-Tseng
30 Dec 2021
Contributed by Lukas
As a farewell to the calendar year that has been, and a welcome/seeding for the new year that will be, I am joined by seed person and agent of growing...
Conservation of Generosity & Relationships, Gary Paul Nabhan
23 Dec 2021
Contributed by Lukas
Gary Paul Nabhan is a gardener, an agricultural ecologist, an ethnobotanist, and an ecumenical Franciscan Brother based in Patagonia, Arizona. He is...
Welcoming Dormancy & Sabbatical, Devorah Brous
16 Dec 2021
Contributed by Lukas
Winter in the Northern Hemisphere is a time of dormancy for the plant and animal kingdoms alike. While it may look relatively still and quiet, it is i...
Trophic Cascades with poet & gardener Camille Dungy
09 Dec 2021
Contributed by Lukas
As another offering to all of you in your gardens tending toward the Solstice in just a few weeks on December 21st, this week we are in conversation w...
The Three Tree Geeks of San Francisco & Their #CovidTreeTour
02 Dec 2021
Contributed by Lukas
Mike Sullivan is the author of "The trees in San Francisco", Jason Dewees is a horticulturist and author of "Designing with Palms", and Richard Turner...
THANKFUL FOR FARMERS: Matthew Martin, Pyramid Farms
25 Nov 2021
Contributed by Lukas
This week I’m thankful for my own garden, of course, but also for the good fresh food grown for all of us by so many hard-working souls wherever you...
Kinship - Belonging in a World of Relations, with Gavin Van Horn & Rowen White
18 Nov 2021
Contributed by Lukas
As a gardener and a human in this exact time on our planet, and in this specific season of the year - a season of communal gathering and thankfulness ...
The Wild Seed Project, with Heather McCargo
11 Nov 2021
Contributed by Lukas
Fall and early winter are the perfect time in much of the Northern Hemisphere to plant bulbs, woody shrubs and trees, herbaceous perennials, and peren...
Garden History & Hindsight, The Garden Museum, London with Director Christopher Woodward
04 Nov 2021
Contributed by Lukas
Last week on Cultivating Place, we looked at Gardens and history through the lens of a historic Garden Cemetery – this week we look at Garden Histor...
Green & Sacred Space, Historic Mt. Auburn Cemetery
28 Oct 2021
Contributed by Lukas
Just in time for Samhain, All Hallow’s Eve, and Day of the Dead observances, this week we explore the sacred, green and communal space of a cemetery...
Growing Flavor Past & Present, Chef Dave Smoke-McCluskey & Corn Mafia
21 Oct 2021
Contributed by Lukas
This week on Cultivating Place we’re in delicious conversation with Chef Dave Smoke McCluskey, founder of Corn Mafia, and a grower/producer of such...
The Greenhorns Envisioning A More Fertile Future, with Severine Von Tscharner Fleming
14 Oct 2021
Contributed by Lukas
As we enter the season of seed saving, of easing into dormancy, beginning to consider next season through the lens of the last season, of forward plan...
Gardening in Summer Dry Climates, with photojournalist Saxon Holt
07 Oct 2021
Contributed by Lukas
In our second episode focusing on the inspiring beauty of dry gardens and the plants and people who love them, Cultivating Place is joined this week...
High Style, Dry Gardens with Designer Daniel Nolan
30 Sep 2021
Contributed by Lukas
As we near the close of a dry, dry season in the generally dry climates of much of the US west, this week Cultivating Place has the first of a two-epi...
Planting A Bridge For Our World, With Ernesto Alvarado
23 Sep 2021
Contributed by Lukas
Ernesto Alvarado is a Mexican-born, Southern California-based native plant and seed teacher and student. He is currently the Native Plant Nursery Assi...
Seasons Of Our Joy, With Rabbi Arthur Waskow
16 Sep 2021
Contributed by Lukas
September, October, and November are traditional harvest celebration months in the Northern Hemisphere from variations on Octoberfests to those around...
Lenses On The Everyday & Seasonally Sacred, With London-Based Artist And Photographer Kristin Perers
09 Sep 2021
Contributed by Lukas
As we tend toward the Autumnal Equinox on September 22nd here in the Northern Hemisphere, we are deep in a period of time full of sacred seasonal cele...
CapRadio Garden @ Sac State's Summer Concert Series, W/ Jennifer Reason & Nicole McDavid
02 Sep 2021
Contributed by Lukas
On Cultivating Place this week we celebrate (and say farewell) to the fullness of summer at its calendar-end with Labor Day weekend in full view here ...
Ecological Lessons From The Human Built, Brooklyn Bridge Park, W/Rebecca McMackin
26 Aug 2021
Contributed by Lukas
In our final episode focusing specifically on ecologically rich and contributing gardens, we learn some innovative lessons in built ecology. Literally...
LAWNS INTO MEADOWS, With Owen Wormser
19 Aug 2021
Contributed by Lukas
At a time when our gardens large and small often feel more important than ever, I think our focus on exactly what our gardens contain and consist of i...
The Order Of Energy, A Field Trip To The Regenerative Urban Food Forest Of Matthew Trumm
12 Aug 2021
Contributed by Lukas
In the heat of the dog days of summer, Cultivating Place celebrates the farms and gardens striving to not draw down resources but to contribute resour...
The Land Beyond The Trees, The Betty Ford Alpine Gardens in Vail, Colorado
05 Aug 2021
Contributed by Lukas
This week on Cultivating Place we continue our high-elevation garden view, now in Vail, Colorado at The Betty Ford Alpine Gardens, leaders in the rese...
Joy & Wonder at (8,000') Elevation - Isa Catto's Mojo Gardens, Woody Creek, CO
29 Jul 2021
Contributed by Lukas
This week on Cultivating Place we gain a little perspective with a lot of altitude as we begin a two-part series on 'Gardening at Elevation’. Isa C...
THE OUTSIDER: Botanize Globally, Grow Locally, With The UK's Hannah Gardner
22 Jul 2021
Contributed by Lukas
Hannah Gardner is a gardener, writer, and mother. She is a garden designer and plantswoman with a passion for traveling the world to learn about and m...
ADVENTUROUS DESIGN & CIVILIZATION BUILDING, David Godshall TERREMOTO LA
15 Jul 2021
Contributed by Lukas
David Godshall is a landscape architect, gardener, and meta-garden philosopher making his way with his young family and his Terremoto Landscape Archit...
Finding Solace in the Soil, Gardens and Gardeners of the Amache Japanese American Prison Camp
08 Jul 2021
Contributed by Lukas
Bonnie J Clark is a professor of anthropology at the University of Denver. Her new book "Finding Solace in the Soil, Archaeology of Gardens and Garden...
Cultivating Intention: Traditional Ecological Knowledge, Ali Meders-Knight, Mechoopda
01 Jul 2021
Contributed by Lukas
Ali Meders-Knight is a Mechoopda tribal member whose traditional and present homelands are based in interior Northern California, a mother of five, an...
New Naturalism With Iowa-Based Plantsman, Kelly Norris
24 Jun 2021
Contributed by Lukas
At a time in the gardening world when we're hearing the phrase "ecologically functional gardens" and "ecological landscape design" with great regulari...
Growing Garden Life w/ Jessica Walliser
17 Jun 2021
Contributed by Lukas
Jessica Walliser is an avid gardener and professional horticulturist – working in the business of plants and gardening since the tender age of 15. A...
Growing Gently: Honeysuckle & Hilda, The Floral Work Of Claire Bowen, UK
10 Jun 2021
Contributed by Lukas
Through the many twists and turns of life, hers including a life-threatening battle with an auto-immune disorder and lung cancer, Claire’s organizin...
Slow Flowers for Summer, with Debra Prinzing
03 Jun 2021
Contributed by Lukas
Debra Prinzing is the founder and leader of The Slow Flowers Society – She joins Cultivating Place in this first week of summer (after Memorial Day ...
On Refugia: Growing Connection
27 May 2021
Contributed by Lukas
Just outside of Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, a team of plant folks known as Refugia is growing connection among places and people from their beautifull...
Fearless Gardening, With The Danger Garden's Loree Bohl
20 May 2021
Contributed by Lukas
Loree Bohl is the Portland Oregon-based founder and visionary gardener behind the well-known and well-loved Danger Garden Blog. In true Danger Garde...
Being Radicle, A Conversation W/Landscape Architect Christie Green, Santa Fe, NM
13 May 2021
Contributed by Lukas
This week on Cultivating Place, we have the second of a two-part series celebrating the publication of Under Western Skies in conversation with landsc...
Gardens of Soul, Under Western Skies, with photographer Caitlin Atkinson
06 May 2021
Contributed by Lukas
CAITLIN ATKINSON is a photographer of places, spaces, and all things botanical. She has been my partner this past 2 + years in creating our new book U...
Our Hunger, Heartache & Identities Healed In The Vegetable Garden, Claire Ratinon
29 Apr 2021
Contributed by Lukas
Claire Ratinon is a gardener, a writer, and a passionate advocate for the growing a food no matter where you live or how small a space you might live ...
Seasonal & Elemental: Calling All Tomatomaniacs, With Scott Daigre
22 Apr 2021
Contributed by Lukas
It’s spring in the northern hemisphere (even though snow is still making visitations to parts of North American right now), and gardeners across the...
In Advance Of California Native Plant Week, A Conversation With CNPS
15 Apr 2021
Contributed by Lukas
April 17 through 24th 2021 is California Native Week, designated by the California State Legislature in 2010 as an annual celebration of the fantastic...
REIMAGINING THE FOODSHED: AMYROSE FOLL, THE VIRGINIA FREE FARM
08 Apr 2021
Contributed by Lukas
Amyrose Foll is a mother, a farmer, and a big thinker. As the executive director and founder of the multifaceted Virginia Free Farm at Spotted Pig Hol...
Talking About A Revolution, A Foodscape Revolution With Brie Arthur BEST OF
01 Apr 2021
Contributed by Lukas
Just in time for spring and that itch we gardeners - new and long time - have to get the summer vegetables into the ground, Cultivating Place revisit ...
GARDENS IN TIME & SPACE: Laura Ekasetya, Former Director Lurie Garden, Chicago
25 Mar 2021
Contributed by Lukas
Having just moved across the seasonal threshold of the Vernal Equinox here in the Northern Hemisphere, this week we continue our focus on land and lan...
The PERFECT EARTH PROJECT: EDWINA VON GAL
18 Mar 2021
Contributed by Lukas
Here we are – mid-way into Women’s History Month, one year after the publication of The Earth in Her Hands. In honor of these two thresholds, this...
Balanced Systems Thinking & TEK, with Lorena Gorbet, Maidu Summit Consortium
11 Mar 2021
Contributed by Lukas
As the vernal equinox is imminent for those of us in the Northern Hemisphere, a conversation on balance and our importance as humans in the balance of...
Season Extending: In The Garden With Niki Jabbour
04 Mar 2021
Contributed by Lukas
It’s the first week of March and true spring let alone summer is still a ways off for many of us. This week on Cultivating Place, we lean into the l...
Gardener Growing: Uprooted, With Page Dickey
25 Feb 2021
Contributed by Lukas
This week on Cultivating Place, we’re back stateside to visit with a longtime gardener and garden writer also engaged in a new level of relationship...
To The Forest, With Midori Shintani And Dan Pearson
18 Feb 2021
Contributed by Lukas
As Lunar New Year celebrations continue, we travel to Hokkaido, a northern Island of Japan to celebrate an amazing intertwining of the wild and cultiv...
LUNAR NEW YEAR, A Conversation With Taiwanese American Plantsman Eric Hsu
11 Feb 2021
Contributed by Lukas
On February 12th, the Lunar New Year begins. Celebrated by Asian cultures across the globe, this week Cultivating Place speaks with Eric Hsu, a plants...
MAKING A LIFE, with MELANIE FALICK BEST OF
04 Feb 2021
Contributed by Lukas
This week to welcome February we revisit a favorite conversation from our last season - a good reminder to mind the way you spend your days - added to...
Tu B'Shevat (New Year Of The Trees), With Karen Flotte
28 Jan 2021
Contributed by Lukas
This week on Cultivating Place we lean into the spirit of the season and the traditional Jewish festival Tu B’Shevat, or New Year of the Trees in co...
BIG IDEAS and Public Horticulture, MaryLynn Mack, South Coast Botanical Garden SOCAL
21 Jan 2021
Contributed by Lukas
MaryLynn Mack is a renaissance woman and leading voice in the world of public gardens today. After beginning her career in the Navy, her experiences h...
HOMEGROWN HOPE, Doug Tallamy EnVisioning a Homegrown National Park
14 Jan 2021
Contributed by Lukas
This week on Cultivating Place, we continue our FRESH STARTS series in conversation with a long established friend in the gardening world, Doug Tallam...
GARDEN FUTURE FORWARD, The Botanic Garden, Tim Johnson & Jamil DePeiza-Kern
07 Jan 2021
Contributed by Lukas
To kick off the new year, Cultivating Place offers out the first in what will be an ongoing and intermittent series exploring Fresh Starts in our hort...
GARDENING OUT LOUD, With Duron Chavis
31 Dec 2020
Contributed by Lukas
In honor of the losses, griefs, revisions, and transformations in our world this last year, and in honor of the hopes we all hold in our gardens and o...
GOOD MEDICINE, With Sayaka Lean Of The Herb Pharm
24 Dec 2020
Contributed by Lukas
In this first week of winter in the Northern Hemisphere, Cultivating Place speaks this week with medicinal and habitat gardener Sayaka Lean of the Her...
IMAGINE: A Conversation With Amber Tamm
17 Dec 2020
Contributed by Lukas
In honor of the Solstice on December 21st, Cultivating Place speaks this week with Brooklyn-born farmer/horticulturist/floral designer, activist, and ...
Something Wild & Composed for Winter, with Hort & Pott
10 Dec 2020
Contributed by Lukas
This week on Cultivating Place we continue our winter greening cheer in conversation with Todd Carr and Carter Harrington of Hort and Pott, a botanica...
A Handful of Gratitude & Fortitude, Teresa Sabankaya "The Posy Book"
03 Dec 2020
Contributed by Lukas
This week Cultivating Place kicks off December with a flourish in conversation with Teresa Sabankaya of the Santa Cruz-based Bonny Doon Garden Company...
Seed Lessons on Transformation, Vivien Sansour & The Palestine Heirloom Seed Library
26 Nov 2020
Contributed by Lukas
Join us this week on Cultivating Place for our final episode in the Seed Change series. We are in conversation with Vivien Sansour, heart and head beh...
SEEDBANKING A FLORISTIC PROVINCE II: Cheryl Birker, California Botanic Garden
19 Nov 2020
Contributed by Lukas
This week on Cultivating Place, the third in our 4 part Seed Change series with Cheryl Birker, Seed Conservation Program Manager at California Botanic...
Seed Banking A Floristic Province, Naomi Fraga Of California Botanic Garden
13 Nov 2020
Contributed by Lukas
This week on Cultivating Place, we continue our Seed Change series with Naomi Fraga, research assistant professor of Botany at Claremont Graduate Univ...
SEED CHANGE: Seeds And Their People, Owen Smith Taylor And Chris Bolden-Newsome
05 Nov 2020
Contributed by Lukas
This week on Cultivating Place we continue our Seed Change series - a nod to faith and a vote for the next growing season. We’re joined this week by...
Best Of: Hope Springs - Growing Flowers From Seed, Clare Foster
29 Oct 2020
Contributed by Lukas
In this season of colliding urgencies and not infrequent dismay - the garden offers so many lessons. Among the largest of these, brought to you in the...
Beauty & Balance: Southwest High Desert Gardens with Judith Phillips Albuquerque, NM
22 Oct 2020
Contributed by Lukas
This week on Cultivating Place we’re joined by award winning landscape designer Judith Phillips of Albuquerque NM. Her Design Oasis, characterized b...
VIRIDITAS & Attachment Gardening, With Sue Stuart-Smith
15 Oct 2020
Contributed by Lukas
This week on Cultivating Place we speak with British gardener and psychiatrist/psychotherapist Sue Stuart-Smith, whose book, "The Well-Gardened Mind: ...
Tools For Building A Home In This World: Homeless Garden Project - Santa Cruz, CA
08 Oct 2020
Contributed by Lukas
As we continue our exploration into creativity born of the garden –I share with you today a story and model for creativity coupled with kindness. On...
On Creativity: Life In The Studio (& Garden) With Frances Palmer
01 Oct 2020
Contributed by Lukas
This week we kick off October with a dive into creativity – the way gardeners harness it, riff off it, and share its results forward with the larger...
Trusting The Nature Of Our Gardens & Selves, With Camilla Jorvad
24 Sep 2020
Contributed by Lukas
Camilla Jorvad is a photographer, a gardener, a mental health and rewilding habitat gardening advocate based on the Danish Island of Aero. Her home-fa...
FOR THE LOVE OF PLANTS, with Horticulturist Wambuii Ippolito
17 Sep 2020
Contributed by Lukas
Most gardens, gardeners, and gardening seasons are deeply informed first and foremost by a deep love of PLANTS. Of space, and design, and color, and f...
Sculptura Botanica With Dustin Gimbel
10 Sep 2020
Contributed by Lukas
Dustin Gimbel is a landscape designer and large scale outdoor ceramic artist inspired by the botanical world and based in Southern California. In a ne...
Back To School Special: The Little Gardener With Julie Cerny
03 Sep 2020
Contributed by Lukas
In this very unusual back-to-school season here in the US, we’re joined this week by Julie Cerny a gardener, an outdoor enthusiast, and educator. He...
Growing Food And Community: Urban Farming Institute, Boston
27 Aug 2020
Contributed by Lukas
This week on Cultivating Place we’re focused on growing food and community when we’re joined by Patricia Spence, President and CEO of the Urban Fa...
The Lifelong Gardener, Toni Gattone
20 Aug 2020
Contributed by Lukas
Toni Gattone is a businesswoman, a master gardener, and a lifelong gardener of Italian descent. After struggling herself with a bad back, and the limi...
Collaborative Growing: Farmer Meg
13 Aug 2020
Contributed by Lukas
Farmer Meg is an urban beekeeper turned flower and market grower turned farmer. Meg has been farming in NJ and NY city and state for almost a decade. ...
Black Culture + Horticulture: Black In The Garden, With Colah B. Tawkin
06 Aug 2020
Contributed by Lukas
This week on Cultivating Place we get a booster shot of energy and inspiration as we enter the dog days of summer when we’re joined by Colah B. Tawk...
The Transformational (Garden) Art Of Jasna Guy
30 Jul 2020
Contributed by Lukas
Jasna Guy is an artist whose visionary and liminal work is based in close observation of the plants and pollinators – specifically bees – of her g...
The Garden Curator - Art in and of the Garden, Colleen Southwell, Australia
23 Jul 2020
Contributed by Lukas
In the throes of high summer, Cultivating Place continues to explore the fruits of the imaginative nature of the garden. We begin a two-part series on...
Botanical Mythology And The Imagination Of Plants With Matt Hall, NZ
16 Jul 2020
Contributed by Lukas
A good read often plumbs the depths of imagination, for Matthew Hall - gardener & researcher at Victoria University of Wellington, New Zealand – it’...
Writing Wild: 25 Women Poets, Ramblers & Mavericks w/ Kathryn Aalto
09 Jul 2020
Contributed by Lukas
This week on Cultivating Place we take a summer amble with British-based Californian Kathryn Aalto – a historian, designer, and writer whose most re...
Botany, Geography, History & Power At The Heart Of The Garden, W/ Jamaica Kincaid
02 Jul 2020
Contributed by Lukas
In honor of the Fourth of July, Cultivating Place is joined this week by the acclaimed writer and gardener Jamaica Kincaid, whose work "My Garden (Boo...
Summer Garden Gems: The Melon, With Amy Goldman
25 Jun 2020
Contributed by Lukas
Amy Goldman is a gardener, author-artist, and longtime advocate for seed saving, plant breeding, and heirloom fruits and vegetables. Her mission has f...
FOR THE LOVE OF 'BUGS' (INSECTS) with Entomologist Nadia Ruffin
18 Jun 2020
Contributed by Lukas
Nadia Ruffin is an entomologist, gardener, and educator. She is the founder of Agricademy Inc and Urban Farm Sista based in Cincinnati, Ohio. A lover ...
Wedding(FLOWERS)Season, With Philippa Craddock, UK
11 Jun 2020
Contributed by Lukas
June is traditionally a month in which many, many weddings are celebrated with family, food, and FLOWERS. With many of these weddings on hold this ye...
Unabashed Gratitude, Delight & Structures Of Care - Ross Gay, Poet Gardener
04 Jun 2020
Contributed by Lukas
Ross Gay is a gardener - he is also an award-winning poet and a professor. A founding board member of the Bloomington Community Orchard, a food justic...
MAKING A LIFE, With MELANIE FALICK
28 May 2020
Contributed by Lukas
Melanie Falick is a maker of many things by hand, and in her work from knitting to gardening, welding to baking, she explores the connection between w...
Growing Weed In The Garden, Johanna Silver
21 May 2020
Contributed by Lukas
Johanna Silver is a gardener, writer and editor, formerly the garden editor at Sunset Magazine and regular contributor to Martha Stewart Living, Bette...
For The Love Of Roses, With Rose Devotee Fallon Shea
14 May 2020
Contributed by Lukas
Fallon Shea is a self-described rose devotee and roseologist currently making her life with roses in Southern California as a grower, designer, artist...
The Comfort Of Roses, With Michael Marriott Of David Austin Roses
07 May 2020
Contributed by Lukas
Cultivating Place kicks off the month of May - with two-episodes focused on ROSES – we start off this week before Mother’s Day here in the U.S., w...
Navigating By Plants: Uli Lorimer, Native Plant Trust
30 Apr 2020
Contributed by Lukas
Uli Lorimer is the director of Horticulture for the Native Plant Trust in Massachusetts. His work as a native plant and biodiversity advocate is infor...
FIBERSHED - Growing A Healthier Economy & Environment
23 Apr 2020
Contributed by Lukas
Rebecca Burgess is a gardener, weaver and natural dyer. She is the executive director of Fibershed, the chair of the Carbon Cycle Institute, and the a...
Seedkeeper: Ira Wallace THE EARTH IN HER HANDS Series
18 Apr 2020
Contributed by Lukas
This week on Cultivating Place, a BEST OF in which we revisit our seedkeeping series. IN this one, we’re joined by plantswoman, seed advocate, farme...