Chapter 1: What is the story of Jimmie 'Jay' Lee and how did he go missing?
Hey, everyone. I'm Andrea Canning, and we are talking Dateline. Today, I'm here with Blayne Alexander, who will be talking about her episode, Bringing Jay Home. If you haven't seen it, you can find it in the Dateline podcast feed. So go there and listen to it or stream it on Peacock and then come back here.
For this talking Dateline, we have a podcast exclusive clip from Blayne's interview with Jay's parents. Then we'll answer some of your questions that you had and comments from social media. And there were a lot. Blaine, thank you for sharing Jay's story with the world.
Yeah, of course. Of course. I really, really enjoyed telling the story and getting to know him while reporting on this.
Yeah. I feel like we all really got to know Jay from your story and then some. I mean, that was one of the best datelines I've seen getting a glimpse into that person's life. You know, it was very rich. Could you just recap the story for us first?
Jay Lee was a young man from Jackson, Mississippi. He went to Ole Miss. He graduated in three years and he was preparing to enter grad school. And he was just, I don't even know if vibrant can capture who he was, but he's somebody who lived life to the fullest. He was an out and proud gay man. I mean, he was very, very honest. well-known in the LGBTQ community.
He was just very vivacious, but also had this desire to give back to communities. I mean, I think one of the details that really struck me was that on the day that he disappeared, he was set to hold a baby formula drive. It was something that he had organized, and then he went missing.
And that was one of the big clues that let his friends know, okay, something's going on because he would never miss this. So he goes missing. It was his mom's birthday. And he didn't call her. And so immediately his mom knew, okay, something's wrong. They reach out to Ole Miss police and police go look at his apartment.
They come across security video that shows that he left his apartment, came back, and then left again early in the morning. And they noticed that he's holding his cell phone like this, right? The same way that we would all hold our cell phone if we're talking to someone on speaker. And they come to find out that he's going to have a sexual encounter with another man.
And through Snapchat, through kind of tracking things down, they come to find out that it's a young man named Tim Harrington who – there was no indication that he was gay at all –
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Chapter 2: What were the circumstances surrounding Jay's disappearance and the initial investigation?
That's exactly it. So it's funny you say that. My birthday is July 9th. And so I thought like, okay, like as a mom, like that just hit me too, right? From like a mother's perspective. Yes, this was an incredibly close family. I mean, talking, texting every day throughout the day, which... Again, college kids, you don't typically see that with their parents, right?
And so for on her birthday of all days, he's like radio silent. She immediately said, oh, no, no, no, no, this isn't right. In fact, she and her husband, Mr. Jimmy, they were driving down to Biloxi to kind of just go on a little vacation. And she said, no, turn the car around. We need to go to Oxford.
We need to go check on him because something is wrong when she kept calling him and, you know, and when his location was off. She just knew immediately. Yeah. Yeah.
Mother's intuition. Yes. And what I love the most is Jay being gay, his father being a pastor, that he was so accepted by his family. And I love what the dad said, "'Be who you are or nothing at all.'"
I mean, I think that this, there were so many aspects of this that you could look at this story and just have a bunch of stereotypes, right? Like, this is the South. These are very, I mean, very, you know, God-fearing religious family. Dad's a minister. All of these many things.
And again, like, you know, being African-American, like a lot of times like this, you know, when you're looking at, especially when it comes to religion in the Black community, like not typically and historically very accepting of of the LGBTQ community. And so all of these things, though, that was not the case with the Lee family. I mean, Jay had no fear in being who he was.
It did not impact his relationship with his mom or his dad or sister or anybody in the family. And they were just as beautiful and as loving. And I asked Tayla during our interview, we talked for like three plus hours, and I said, where did that confidence come from? And she said it was our family. I mean, we knew that we were loved.
There was not a moment that we walked outside of that house that we had any question as to whether we were loved, whether we were supported. And she said, and especially their mom really instilled this confidence and just kind of like, no, no, no, this is whoever you are, whatever you do, do it confidently.
And it was so beautiful to see that really, really come to play as I got to know Jay throughout the course of the story. He was very clearly a fun person, right? His style was amazing. I mean, his sister and I talked about it. Like, he would dress. He was just out there. His dog alone. His dog, Lexi. I mean, the dog with the pink goggles. Lexi. Lexi would come to class.
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Chapter 3: How did Jay Lee's family react to his disappearance?
It was really special.
Yeah. If we all could have that much confidence, you know. That's true. I'm sure people saw him and thought, you know, I can – I can do this.
His friend Jose actually told me, Jose, who we met in the story, told me that it was Jay Lee who inspired him to go perform in drag shows, inspired him to be open, you know, kind of about who he was. So he really was a beacon for a lot of people right there in Oxford.
When we come back, we've got an extra clip from Blaine's interview with Jay's parents. You know, the thing that I thought early on was I thought, could this be a hate crime?
Right? You know, it's interesting. And I thought about this, too. When I spoke with Jose and Braylon, they talked about the fact that before Jay Lee went missing, there were two murders of – transgender people there in the state of Mississippi. And so they were thinking, okay, like what is happening? Like could this be an attack on the community?
And so it did kind of put a lot of people in this kind of place of just fear and like trying to watch out while at the same time wondering if police were going to do anything about this.
I know that that was a big concern for friends and family as to how the police would handle this because, you know, Jay is a person of color. Jay is gay. But it was the opposite reaction from the police, the Oxford police chief. He was... Mr. Emotional and Mr. I'm not quitting until I solve this case. And I'm, like, he was amazing.
When it comes to emotion, Andrea, you know this. I mean, when we interview, like, police chiefs, prosecutors, like, all these folks, it's not often that you get to see, like, just true emotion tears from them, right? But, like, that happened several times when I was speaking with Chief McCutcheon. Certainly happened when I was talking with Ben Creekmore, the DA.
I mean, they were tearing up thinking about the moment that they found Jaylee's body, the pain that the family went through. And And, you know, several things. One, Oxford is a college town, right? Like, everything revolves around Ole Miss. And so you think about, okay, like, either I have college-age kids or my kids will one day be in college.
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Chapter 4: What led to the confession of Jay's murderer, Tim Herrington?
I remember him.
Right.
And so you put all these things together. And yes, it was it was certainly something that was emotional.
I was like cheering him on, you know, as you took us through this investigation. He just he's an amazing man. And also some really good there was really good detective work. in this case as well. Good observations. I wouldn't have noticed the phone. When I watched it, I didn't think about the phone being flat like that, that he was on the phone with somebody.
And then we get into the technology of it all. And we hear this over and over and over again. These police departments, families trying to get messages, information from social media platforms like Snapchat, and they get shut down again and again and again.
And I just did a Dateline where they had to hire – they hired some professor who was essentially like a hacker, you know, professor slash hacker who, like, got into it or whatever. And so I was so – impressed with Jay's parents and this Jay Lee bill that they're working on.
I mean, I can't think of a better way to honor his life if they can get this passed that law enforcement can get access to people under 21 into their social media accounts and beyond. I mean, that is so smart.
It is. It is. And I would say it seems like a common sense type of thing because if you want to find where a young person is, not to sound old, if you're trying to find a young person, but social media is the way. I mean, right? Like he was communicating through Snapchat the way that most of us would communicate via text, right? And so that is easily the core.
quickest digital footprint, the quickest way to figure out where they are, who they've been talking to, what they've been doing. And, you know, in talking with Mr. Jimmy, he was just like, this was a constant just source of torture for them because they knew something had happened. It wasn't this question of, oh, gosh, maybe he's, no, they were like, something's happened to our child. Yeah.
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Chapter 5: What challenges did investigators face during the trials for Jay's murder?
Started a moving company. He's got a profitable little business. He's on podcasts. He's in interviews. He's in the Black Student Union. He's kind of that kid that, you know, when you get to college, you're like, oh, who's the upperclassman that I look up to? Oh, he was one of those people, right? I mean. Absolutely. Absolutely.
Spent time in his church, influential father, influential grandfather, this whole package. And again, very similar to Jay Lee, families rooted in faith. Both fathers were ministers, right? Like all of this going on. Very similar. And there was a very big difference in that Jay was living authentically and Tim Harrington was not. And that made all of the difference.
That really made all the difference. And the fact that their lives intersected in the way that they did was just unbelievable.
Yeah.
I think that, you know, there's so much to be said about, yes, being your authentic self. And I think that
in this fear that that message that you know he confessed um set him off i want to be able to say that i had you on the down low um it's the question of gosh what are people going to think of me what are my family's going to think of me and of course i'm not inside tim harrington's mind i didn't speak with him of course we we tried to his parents um his mom actually sent me a brief email and just said we're going to let you know the the attorney speak for our family and um certainly understand what they're going through right like this is a very difficult situation for them as well um
So the biggest problem, as you mentioned, Blaine, off the top was that they had not found a body, right? They had not found Jay's body in the beginning, of course. Then they make that horrible discovery. And we have some extra sound from Jay's parents, their interview with you about finding Jay's body, their son, and what happened after that.
Sure.
You talked about once Jay was found, even just by his skeleton, you could tell that was your son. And you were very intentional about wanting to say your own goodbye to him, touching his remains. Can you tell me a little bit more about that?
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Chapter 6: How did the community respond to Jay Lee's story and legacy?
Yeah.
Yeah. That put me back to my first job, which was in Mississippi. it was fun to hear again, Miss Stephanie, because I remember when I moved to Mississippi, everything was Miss Andrea, Miss Andrea. And I was like, I'm not used to that. I'd never heard anyone in my life call me Miss Andrea. But that's how people would address me, which was hilarious.
It's like, And the funny thing is, mind you, I don't do that in every interview, but it was just something about sitting down. They just gave the I just like, you can't just be Stephanie. You're Miss Stephanie. You're Mr. Jimmy. It's just I love that.
I also said I also love how you said it was something I wrote it down. It was like, oh, full boil. with Tim, right, in the interview room, because usually I say it's getting hot in the kitchen, and you came up with full boil. So I'm like, okay, good. We've both got our ways that we want to say when things are getting hot. Exactly, exactly.
We're going to take a short break, and we'll be back to talk about your questions and comments from social media. Let's talk about some of the social media comments and our viewers' comments and questions. Would love to. You know, we got so many comments from people on this one, people saying they're moved to tears about the story, what a great job you all did. So let's start with Barbara Teed.
She says there was another Dateline episode about an officer on the DL married with a baby, had an affair with a gay resident. He stopped on patrol and murdered him when he threatened to expose him. Oh, gosh. Yeah, this was Keith's episode before Daylight. And this was a Missouri college student named Jesse James Valencia, murdered in 2004 by the police officer he was secretly seeing.
So this, again, goes back to the dangers of DL, what Khaled talked about.
Yeah.
I've got to say, too, real quick, along those lines. So this was an episode. I actually had a watch party, if you will, of a bunch of maybe like 30, 35 friends came together and we all watched it because I really wanted to get people's reaction. I wanted to see how people received it.
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Chapter 7: What insights did Jay's parents share during their interview?
Lexi died. Aww. Three days after our interview, completely unexpected, and we were going to meet her. But she lived a long life. She was 23 years old.
That is a long life for a little dog like that. And also, given the family's feelings about God and religion, Jaylee and Lexi are together forever. Yes, absolutely. Absolutely. And on our podcast, After the Verdict. And she says, I'm grateful the Dateline community gets to see these officers caring, good humans doing the right things and the right way for the right reasons.
Most that wear the badge are good humans. Grateful these particular humans were on this case.
Thank you. I'm glad to hear that, Lisa. Thank you for writing that because you're right. I mean, like we said earlier, I'm so glad that we were able to just really shine a light on their heart through this process. Of course, their investigative prowess, their work, all of that, but just show their heart in who they were and the type of emotion and genuine caring that they brought to this case.
And on a different note, Dateline will be off for the next few weeks for the Winter Olympics. And Amy Gatch on Facebook asked, with the Olympics airing for the next few weeks, what will you do during this time? Will you take time off or work on other stories?
Time off? Time off? What is this you speak of?
What?
We will be working. We will be, gosh, shooting. I know I've got shoots. I'm sure you have shoots coming up.
Oh, yeah.
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