Dennis Murphy sits down with Blayne Alexander to discuss her recent episode, “The Pin at Apartment 210.” When 22-year-old Jasmine “Jazzy” Pace went missing just before Thanksgiving of 2022, her family became their own detectives. What followed was a horrific crime scene, an arrest, and a bombshell twist at trial from the defense. Blayne tells Dennis about the family’s determined search for Jazzy and the clues they found along the way. Later, Blayne shares a podcast-exclusive clip from an interview with one of the jurors. Plus, Dennis and Blayne answer your questions from social media.If you have a question for Talking Dateline, send us an audio message on social @datelinenbc.Listen to the full episode of “The Pin at Apartment 210” on Apple: https://apple.co/44AZi43 Listen to the full episode on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/episode/14y93y2XlJCQhcYqgrbrj6
Chapter 1: Who are Dennis Murphy and Blayne Alexander?
Hey, everybody, I'm Dennis Murphy, and you have reached Talking Dateline. And our guest today is Blaine Alexander, my colleague, and she's going to be talking about her most recent episode, which was called The Pin at Apartment 210. Hey, Blaine, how are you?
Dennis, I'm so good. I'm so glad to join you, my friend.
Chapter 2: What is the story behind Jasmine 'Jazzy' Pace's disappearance?
How are you? Good. You know, you had me all the way through, right from the beginning. I wanted to see what happened next. And boy, once you set those horses running, this is a great story. Thank you so much. And I want to talk about it, but let's do a little recap first for people who haven't seen it yet. It's about 22-year-old Jasmine Jazzy Pace.
She went missing around Thanksgiving of 2022, and her mom, Katrina, knew that something was terribly wrong. When authorities weren't giving her the answer she wanted, she took matters into her own hands, even against police recommendations.
And for this Talking Dateline, we have an extra clip from an interview with a juror in this case, talking about her experience coming to a verdict back during that emotional trial, and it was. Okay, so let's dive in and talk Dateline. Blaine, the hardest thing I've always felt is...
in being a Dateline correspondent, is sitting in a chair, talking to a family member who has lost someone who was taken in such an ugly fashion way too soon. Tell me about cousin Jackie.
Jackie was incredible. Jackie is somebody that, I mean, she really was kind of like the heart and soul of our story. She spent a lot of time just kind of talking to us about Jazzy. The two were very close. I mean, they were very, very close. And from the very beginning, you kind of noticed that, you know, when they were together, when they were morning granny,
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Chapter 3: How did Jazzy’s family respond when authorities didn’t provide answers?
They were the two that said, no, we got to make sure our moms are OK. We've got to do this. So they were kind of, you know, you have that person in the family that you're like, OK, we're going to take care of things. That was Jackie and Jazzy. That's kind of the feel I got from them.
But what a heaping plateful of grief this family had put on them. Here was their great grandmother, very beloved figure in the family. And all of a sudden they're gathered at her hospital bed saying goodbye. And then a few days later, Jazzy goes missing.
It was unthinkable, Dennis. I mean, I think that, yes, Granny had cancer. She was in remission. They thought she was fine. And then basically that morning, I mean, it went from, hey, I'm not really feeling that well. Let me go to the hospital to, boom, she's gone. I mean, it's jarring. It's kind of whiplash for anybody. And then, yes, that was the last time that their family saw Jazzy.
You know, they kind of talk about the fact that They're grateful that they were able to gather for Granny because all of the family got to see Jazzy and then she was gone. But later, Jackie told me, you know, when we were talking, she said later they realized we never got a chance to mourn Granny because immediately they were into finding and then mourning Jazzy.
So it really was just a hard time for them.
And still is. Who did Jazzy turn out to be to you, Blaine, the more you found out about her? And you guys had remarkable photos. The videos were as good as any collection of gallery of those kinds of things that I've seen. It really evoked a sense of who she was.
I think so. And I'm glad you felt that, too, Dennis, because I think that that's that was one of the things that really stood out about this. There were tons of videos about her. Right. I mean, it's 2022. Like, you know, she's young. She's very online, if you will.
Right.
And so finding videos and pictures wasn't it wasn't a hard thing to come by. She was vivacious. She was excited about life. I mean, she was kind of in this place where, hey, I'm going to school. I'm getting, you know, my eyes into what I really want to do with my life. She loved people. She loved her family.
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Chapter 4: What role did the digital world and apps like Cash App play in the investigation?
Get a goose quill pen out. Yeah, it was a different era. Yeah.
carrier pigeon up to the heavens to figure out where it is. But I think that this, you know, Cash app and also Zelle, you could type it into Zelle. That's, you know, tied to a phone number.
So how did that app answer back? What did she learn?
So once you put it in, the name Jason Chen popped up. And that was enough to give them really a thread to start pulling on. And that's kind of what came down to it. So Jazzy had been hanging out with him, you know, kind of on and off dating loosely, if you will. They took a trip to Chicago, but her mom knew the name. And so her mom immediately said, yep, I know who that is.
And, you know, was off to the races.
So Jazzy is missing, her car is missing, and they went looking for the vehicle, didn't they?
They went looking for the vehicle and they found it. You know, there's one piece that didn't make it into the story, Dennis, that I thought was interesting.
When I was talking to Gabby, Jazzy's half-sister, who was there for the parking lot and going into the apartment and all of that, she told me that when they found the SUV, she looked in the window and she said she noticed that the seat was pushed all the way back. So that indicates that a tall person was driving it. And she said, Jazzy's short. Jazzy's tiny.
There's no reason that the seat would need to be pushed all the way back. So she said that was her first indication of, OK, my sister wasn't driving this.
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Chapter 5: What clues did Jazzy’s family discover about her whereabouts?
And that was also within three minutes of when Jason Chin's neighbors told the family that they heard a scream come from the apartment. And so you know that something happened in that time frame that Jazzy realized, one, she's in trouble. I need to call for help. She obviously couldn't do much, but the best she could do was send a pen.
And it's something you can do on an Apple Watch, too, even if you don't have your phone beside you. So somehow she was able to send off a pen instantly. I want to say something about the pen, too, because I think some viewers may wonder, like, how did you not see that? How did you not see this text from your daughter?
Yeah, I would wonder that.
One, it came in the wee morning hours. But two, remember, this happened after Granny died, the person who raised her. So Katrina was getting this kind of deluge of all of these sympathetic texts. Oh, my God, I'm so sorry. You know, what can I do for you? All these texts are coming through. And so Jazzy's text got lost immediately. in there. That's kind of how Jackie explained it to me.
Terrible for Katrina to realize later that she missed it. But that's kind of what happened there. So the pen, she sees the pen. They're like, oh, my gosh, let's follow this pen. It takes them to the apartments and specifically in front of apartment 210.
Blaine, we're going to pause for a moment. But when we come back, we're going to hear an extra bit of sound from that juror who will tell us about what was going through their minds with this decision they had to make about premeditation. Sounds good.
So now the family is armed with this pin that takes them right to the front of the door of 210 and the neighbors that say they heard something. So who lives in 210, Blaine? Jason Chen. That's what they find out. Jason Chen lives inside that apartment.
Somebody gets the bright idea to go back out to the car, find their credit card and do a break in and get into apartment 210.
And I have to say, Dennis, if I ever needed to get into an apartment or a locked door, I wouldn't know what to do. Would you naturally know to just get a credit card and pop the lock?
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Chapter 6: How did Jazzy’s family gain entry into apartment 210, and what did they find?
I'm one who doesn't know what Cash App is, so no. I mean, I've seen it, you know, that you're supposed to be able to burgle a door with a credit card, but that they have the knowledge and the foresight and the guts to go ahead and charging into this thing. It's just.
Yeah. I mean, even if I'd seen it on like a TV show, I wouldn't have known how to take the credit card and actually jimmy the lock open. What did they find inside? The first thing that the family saw was Jazzy's overnight bag. And so that was to them saying, okay, she's been here. I know my daughter's bag. That's her bag. That was number one. They found her driver's license.
They found several credit cards. And then they said they found a series of other cell phones, just a bunch of cell phones. All of that made them say there's something going on here. And they called police. You know, the police take that. They obviously turn it over to the detectives, but they also say to the family, Jazzy, Don't do this again. You can't go inside this apartment.
Don't go back inside. Now, once police got involved and they ended up going into the apartment, that's where they really did the real police work. Right. I mean, they obviously were going around seeing I talked to the detective and he saw that heel print where it looked like someone was wearing socks, stepped in blood and then left kind of like a transfer from the sock print just a little bit.
But it was enough for him to say, OK, we need to get crime scene in here.
And maybe we should say, Blaine, while there is criticism that they were slow in getting up to speed, once they had reason for their authority, they did very, very well at this thing.
They did. That's when they bring in the crime scene investigators to come in and they spray. They basically have a chemical that reacts when there's the presence of blood. And so they sprayed it on the floor just to see, is there any more blood? And that's when they said about a third of the floor was. Which is stunning.
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Chapter 7: What was the family’s interaction with police and how did the official investigation proceed?
Chapter 8: What insights do jurors provide about the trial and verdict in Jazzy’s case?
And I have to say, Dennis, if I ever needed to get into an apartment or a locked door, I wouldn't know what to do. Would you naturally know to just get a credit card and pop the lock?
I'm one who doesn't know what Cash App is, so no. I mean, I've seen it, you know, that you're supposed to be able to burgle a door with a credit card, but that they have the knowledge and the foresight and the guts to go ahead and charging into this thing. It's just.
Yeah. I mean, even if I'd seen it on like a TV show, I wouldn't have known how to take the credit card and actually jimmy the lock open. What did they find inside? The first thing that the family saw was Jazzy's overnight bag. And so that was to them saying, okay, she's been here. I know my daughter's bag. That's her bag. That was number one. They found her driver's license.
They found several credit cards. And then they said they found a series of other cell phones, just a bunch of cell phones. All of that made them say there's something going on here. And they called police. You know, the police take that. They obviously turn it over to the detectives, but they also say to the family, Jazzy, Don't do this again. You can't go inside this apartment.
Don't go back inside. Now, once police got involved and they ended up going into the apartment, that's where they really did the real police work. Right. I mean, they obviously were going around seeing I talked to the detective and he saw that heel print where it looked like someone was wearing socks, stepped in blood and then left kind of like a transfer from the sock print just a little bit.
But it was enough for him to say, OK, we need to get crime scene in here.
And maybe we should say, Blaine, while there is criticism that they were slow in getting up to speed, once they had reason for their authority, they did very, very well at this thing.
They did. That's when they bring in the crime scene investigators to come in and they spray. They basically have a chemical that reacts when there's the presence of blood. And so they sprayed it on the floor just to see, is there any more blood? And that's when they said about a third of the floor was. Which is stunning.
There was blood in almost every corner of the apartment, as the detective said to me. He said that there was blood on the bathroom floors, blood on the main area floors, but also there was blood splatter kind of on the wall. So he said that indicates obviously something very violent, right?
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