Detonation Point
Episode 10 - Understanding AI: A Conversation with Merlynn AI's Carl Wocke
17 Nov 2025
In this episode of Detonation Point, Matt ONeill speaks with Carl Wocke from Merlynn AI about the evolving landscape of artificial intelligence. They discuss the definition of AI, its implications for society, and the unique approach Merlynn takes by learning from human expertise rather than data alone. The conversation delves into the challenges of bias and hallucinations in AI, the potential for AI to replace human jobs, and the risks posed by bad actors using AI technology. Wocke shares success stories from Merlynn's work in various sectors, including banking and law enforcement, and explores the concepts of agentic AI and digital twins. The episode concludes with a discussion on the future of AI, the importance of human involvement, and the potential impact of quantum computing.TakeawaysMerlynn AI learns from human expertise, not just data.Bias in AI is a form of expertise, both positive and negative.The future of work will depend on keeping humans relevant in the economy.Bad actors have fewer regulations, making them agile in using AI.Merlynn's technology has successfully reduced bottlenecks in banking and healthcare.Digital twins can enhance decision-making in law enforcement.Agentic AI represents a new frontier in automating tasks.Access to expertise is a critical challenge in various sectors.The next evolution in AI will focus on managing risk rather than just optimizing costs.Chapters00:00 Introduction00:40 Understanding AI: Definitions and Perspectives05:37The Role of Bias and Expertise in AI08:11AI's Impact on Employment and Relevance10:08AI in Crime: Challenges and Opportunities12:49Merlynn AI Success Stories: Removing Bottlenecks18:35Agentic AI20:49Digital Twins: The Future of AI Engagement22:25Access to Expertise: Collaboration Through Digital Twins26:53Transforming Incident Response with AI31:28Moving Expertise Upstream in Financial Transactions36:07The Future of Quantum and AI39:30Trust and the Human Element in AI45:01Participating in a Digital WorldAbout Our Founding Sponsor, Elastio This podcast is proudly presented by Elastio, the control point for cyber resiliency—because survival depends on clean recoveries. As our Founding Sponsor, Elastio continuously validates backups, bridging the gap between security tools and immutable storage. With AI-driven detection and zero-day recovery, Elastio ensures data is clean, uncompromised, and always recoverable. Learn more: www.elastio.com
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