Diddy On Trial
Does hip-hop have a problem? Plus Diddy’s influence on the music industry
Thu, 20 Feb 2025
Does hip hop have a problem? Diddy denies the federal offences he’s accused of, but has previously apologised for physically assaulting Cassie Ventura, seen in a video widely shared online. That moment of violence and other incidents involving high-profile stars mean there’s a spotlight on the wider genre.Anoushka Mutanda-Dougherty speaks to Mark Anthony Neal, professor of African-American studies who runs courses on the history of hip-hop at Duke University, North Carolina; along with Dr Jason Rawls - known as J. Rawls - who’s assistant professor of hip-hop at Ohio State University and a musician, producer and DJ.The Diddy on Trial podcast is here to investigate the rumours, confront the theories, and give you the answers that you need.We also want YOU to be part of the conversation. Have you any burning questions about the cases or the upcoming trial? Heard a theory that doesn’t sit right with you? Get in touch now via WhatsApp: 0330 123 555 1.Presenter: Anoushka Mutanda-Dougherty Series Producer: Laura Jones Sound Design: Richard Hannaford Production Coordinator: Hattie Valentine Editor: Clare FordhamCommissioning Editor: Rhian Roberts Assistant Commissioner: Will Drysdale Commissioning Producer: Adam Eland Commissioning Assistant Producer: Rechmial MillerSean ‘Diddy’ Combs - who has also gone by the names Puffy, Puff Daddy, P Diddy, Love, and Brother Love - emerged into the hip-hop scene in the 1990s. He founded Bay Boy Records, which launched the careers of the Notorious B.I.G. and Mary J Blige.His current legal issues began when he was sued by his ex-girlfriend Casandra Ventura, also known as Cassie, in late 2023. She accused him of violently abusing and raping her. That lawsuit was settled for an undisclosed amount a day after it was filed, with Mr Combs maintaining his innocence.His controversial history with Ms Ventura resurfaced in 2024, when CCTV footage emerged showing Mr Combs kicking his former girlfriend as she lay on a hotel hallway floor in 2016.Multiple people have filed lawsuits accusing Mr Combs of sexual assault, with accusations dating back to 1991. He denies all claims.In his criminal case, he faces federal charges of racketeering conspiracy, sex trafficking by force, fraud or coercion, and transportation to engage in prostitution, and is accused of kidnapping, drugging and coercing women into sexual activities, sometimes by using firearms or threatening them with violence.In a raid on his Los Angeles mansion, police found supplies that they said were intended for use in orgies known as “freak offs”, including drugs and more than 1,000 bottles of baby oil. Mr Combs denies all the charges.
Chapter 1: Does hip-hop have a problem?
You can find us on BBC Sounds and make sure you subscribe so you never miss a thing. In this episode, we're gonna be discussing music and just a warning, some of the lyrics we'll mention include language which you may find offensive. Today, we're taking a look at a question that we've sort of been skirting around the edges of for a while. Does hip-hop have a problem?
Diddy denies the federal offenses he's accused of, but has apologized for assaulting Cassie Ventura, seen in a video widely shared online. That moment of violence and other incidents involving high-profile stars means there's a spotlight on the wider genre. Is this a genre that makes excuses for bad behaviour, misogyny, sexual violence and the over-sexualisation of young girls?
That sounds extreme? Here's a lyric from Big Sean. I'm trying to chase her, take her, date rape her. I stand outside the daycare, sit there and wait for her. Here's a lyric from It's Dark and Hell is Hot. And if you've got a daughter older than 15, I'ma rape her, take her on the living room floor right there in front of you, then ask you seriously what you wanna do.
This is from Rick Ross's song, U-O-E-N-O. I put Molly in her champagne, she didn't even know it. I took her home and enjoyed that, Shaney didn't even know it. And what about this? I can see that you're 15 years old. I don't want your ID. I can see that you're far from home, but that's no hanging matter. That's no capital crime. I bet your mama doesn't know you scream like that.
I bet your mother doesn't know you spit like that. You say you've got a friend that's wilder than you. Why don't you bring her upstairs? Well, that's a lyric from Stray Cat by the Rolling Stones. So maybe these issues don't start and end with one genre.
Helping me unpack this today is Professor Mark Anthony Neal, Professor of African American Studies who runs courses on the history of hip-hop at Duke University in North Carolina, and Dr. Jason Rawls, better known as J Rawls, an Assistant Professor of Hip-Hop in the School of Music at The Ohio State University, who's also a musician, producer, and DJ. Hello, both.
Hello, how are you? Good, thank you. How are you doing?
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Chapter 2: What are the historical critiques of hip-hop?
I'm going to start by saying these critiques are nothing new, and this is nothing that the upcoming trial, it might have brought it to the surface of the media a little bit, but it didn't start two months ago. When did we start to hear critiques of hip-hop? I'll start with you, Professor Neil.
You know, I think we could go back at least 30 years ago to think about the case of Dr. Trey, when he was involved in a beatdown of a black woman journalist, Dee Barnes.
in los angeles d barnes host of the fox tv rap show pump it up is filing a civil suit against dr dre of the hardcore rap group nwa barnes seeks damages over 10 million dollars and claims that last january at an la club dre assaulted her grabbing her hair slamming her face and body into a wall and while there was very little critical pushback that occurred
outside the criminal justice system within hip-hop, there were folks outside of hip-hop who clearly were paying attention, among them Black feminists who were writing and concerned about the kind of violence that was being directed towards Black girls that was embodied in this particular case with Dr. Dre.
That case was definitely something that was paid attention to. You also have to think about the rape trial of Tupac as well. You know, there have been cases associated with hip hop. So it goes back, like Dr. Neal said, about 30, at least 30 years.
One of the reasons people focus on it in particular, outside of things that happen, you know, if we focus on the lyrics, when female sexuality is spoken about, sex with women is spoken about, it's quite often utilizes aggressive language. Like if I think of a phrase like I beat the pussy up, that is something that I would hear in multiple, multiple, multiple songs.
And that is appropriating language. an aesthetic of violence and then sort of transplanting it onto a conversation about sexuality. And that happens, I would say, frequently in a lot of hip hop songs. Would you agree?
Yes. We don't hear language of tenderness and romance usually directed. And I mean, it's kind of we're joking about it at this moment. But I think that speaks to the larger issue of how young men in general perceive process issues of sexual intimacy with women, how it's been introduced to them as young men, how it's been visualized to them, right?
We talk about it in the context of hip hop, but what also are they seeing in the context of mainstream Hollywood film, what they're seeing in the context of pornography, you know, that's all informing their frame in terms of how they think about what their sexual or intimate interactions with women should be.
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Chapter 3: How have female rappers challenged misogyny in hip-hop?
You know, 30 years ago, if you turned on mainstream block radio, there are certain artists that you had to listen to. right, because they were the only artists being played.
The ecosystem now around music is so different is that Big Sean can say what he wants, and you never have to pay attention to it anymore, right, because literally there are hundreds and thousands of other artists, some of them who are Black women who are openly feminist, some of them who are Black women and men who are openly queer, who are going to produce versions of hip-hop music and rap music, popular music in general, that appeals to you so that you do not have to be bombarded by these other kinds of images.
I just want to pick up on that. We're talking about the diversification of hip-hop there, the growth of the genre. When these think pieces are done about hip-hop has an issue, hip-hop has a sexism issue, hip-hop has a misogyny issue, a sexual violence issue, and we don't talk about the genre in its fullest and observe it from all different angles, it can feel a little bit uncomfortable.
And I think because hip-hop has functioned not just as a musical genre but as a tool for civil rights and for social justice in the USA... we have to appreciate that side of it as well. And I just want to pick up here a little bit on the positive side of the genre. Professor Neil, can you talk to me a little bit about what hip hop has done for the African-American population?
There's no question from its earliest moments for Black youth, it was a conduit for them to talk about their own lives and their situations at a time where public policy and even Black political leadership was not paying much attention to them. You really do see a kind of two Black Americas that emerge in the 1980s, at least in terms of popular culture.
You know, there was a world of Cliff Huxtable and The Cosby Show that became a representation of what Black America was or should strive for. And at the same time, you have a generation, quote-unquote, you know, as William J. S. Wilson described it, the Black underclass, that is being framed in terms of criminality, in terms of fatherlessness, in all drug addiction and all those kinds of things.
Hip-hop allowed young Black people to tell their own stories on their own terms. So it was important when it becomes politicized in very particular kinds of ways in the late 1980s because of groups like Harris One and Boogie Down Productions, because of Public Enemy.
What Public Enemy is, it's represent... the young black males in America and even across the world and how we're scrutinized by the government and certain issues and certain things aren't swinging in our favor. So basically, we're always the one that's being shot at as far as critics are concerned or anything else is concerned.
And that's why I consider me and my boys the public enemy and other black males that have been taken advantage of in this country.
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Chapter 4: What role does the music industry play in hip-hop's issues?
I think about Tiny T's Biter Ram, you know, literally talking about this little machine that, that went through the hood in the mid-1980s knocking down doors of houses because they assumed someone there was selling drugs. You know, hip-hop gave that generation a voice.
We did something different. You know, we did something real different. When we put our record out, we, like, slapped everybody in the face and said, yo, listen to this. You know, people heard Profanity on the record, but never the way we did it.
If you go forward to 2008 and think about the election of Barack Obama, because hip-hop was something that's crossed over, you know, there were many 30- or 40-year-old white folks who looked at Barack Obama who were not afraid of a black man being president because they had been listening to Big Daddy Key, Kane, and Eazy-E and Ice Cube for 20 years.
So it's been important in that regard in terms of giving voice. It has not been as successful in terms of sustaining political movement. We've seen moments where we've gotten, you know, local folks elected and things like that. But, you know, more than anything, it was a conduit for young Black folks to express themselves.
And I think that also picks up on another thing where we're talking about art as a reflection of your lived reality, because there is a conversation about the glamorization of violence, of street culture, hood culture, gang culture. You get the same thing in the UK and people immediately come out and say, well, that is my lived experience and that is what I'm going to make my art about.
I think also hip hop is continuing in a tradition of using music. It wasn't always hip hop, but the African-American community in particular using music to voice their lived experience, but to also call for change. I mean, you could think of things like Strange Fruit. You could say things like the revolution will not be televised. There's tons of examples.
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Chapter 5: Is hip-hop making progress in addressing its problems?
However, I quoted those lyrics at the beginning and those were just ones that I picked out from long, long lists. You've seen the think pieces. You've probably written think pieces on this and quoted the same things. You know, hip hop is so popular. It is so popular. It's a huge cultural export. It's the most listened to genre in the USA. Do we need to hold it more accountable?
Yes, appreciating the good that it's done and appreciating the nuances around it and its position in the States. But saying, you know, you are a cultural driving force now. You're not trying to break in. You're leading the way. So therefore you have to act right.
There's no question. You mentioned Strange Food and Gil Scott Heron. You know, we can add Public Enemy's Fight to Power, you know, to that mix. You know, hip-hop isn't producing Fight to Powers anymore. Fight to Power came from the perspective of folks in the music industry.
Wrote one who was speaking politically to young Black people, but for folks who saw themselves as outsiders in the music industry. Very few of the most prominent and successful artists now see themselves as outsiders. I would venture to say that they don't necessarily see themselves as representing hip hop. You know, they're pop music stars, right? And they're treated as such.
You know, when I talk to my students, the 19 and 20 year olds about what hip hop is and holding hip hop accountable, you know, they're looking at me strangely because I'll give a good example of where the industry is now. I mean, the Drake Kendrick Lamar thing, which drew so many eyeballs and attentiveness, right? And the fact that what it ultimately was was an interpersonal beef.
Imagine if that had been actually framed around what was happening politically in the country at the moment. If that was framed around what was happening in Gaza at this moment. That kind of energy is going towards the very things that the industry needs, right? it to be framed around in order for the industry to keep moving forward. You know, so hip hop for me at the moment is just a term.
You know, when we talk about contemporary artists, it's just a term that's used. It's pop music. Things that made hip hop hip hop, that made us want to teach hip hop, In the case of Jason, in order to actually DJ and do things like that, those kind of things don't hold hip-hop together anymore.
So it's not surprising, as hip-hop has become so corporate, it also has become so tone-deaf to the kind of critiques that need to be made around accountability, whether it's about violence in the music or sexuality and misogyny, quite frankly, rape narratives that circulate in hip-hop culture.
And that's such a great point, Dr. Neal. I think these things occurring in hip hop is more of, as you said, corporate. It does feel corporate. However, there's still a burgeoning underground movement of folks who still love the culture. There's still people who are b-boying. There's still b-girls. There's still people that are DJing, DJ contests.
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Chapter 6: What positive impact has hip-hop had on African-American culture?
There's still graph artists that are still getting up. All over. So there's people that still hold on to the culture and that will eventually rise. That will come back. And that's kind of what we're hoping. But the mainstream of what hip hop has become, it's a business. And like I said earlier, it's the business of music. It's more the business aspect of it now.
Should we really be having conversations about hip hop and linking them to P. Diddy then? If you're talking about the sort of pure essence of what it is and what it was created out of versus this mainstream, commercialized corporate culture that we have now. Well, he was very central to maneuvering that shift over and I won't give my opinion.
I would venture to say that a lot of reviewers, scholars, critics would not say that P. Diddy made the kind of music that was akin to fight the power. But maybe you disagree. But should we really be talking about P. Diddy and hip hop in the same sentence? Or should we be talking about mainstream pop rap?
So you could have asked the question 25 years ago, what exactly is Sean Combs' skill set? What is he actually bringing to the table, right? Not a good rapper. It was an ongoing narrative about the folks who worked in the studio, who did the producing. And he popped in and turned a knob here and turned a knob there and got a production credit, right?
What Sean Combs was always at his best was hip-hop's party starter. From his earliest days, that was his thing, right? He brought the party to hip hop. He was one of hip hop's best hype men. I mean, he was the hype man for the culture and translated that into a brand that in many ways remains unmatched, right?
There's no one, even in pop culture, I would argue, that represents what Sean Combs represented at his height as this kind of hype man brand. But when it comes down to the music, other than his ability to recognize the talent of a Notorious B.I.G. and some of the early folks who signed on to Bad Boy really early, he was, I mean, even within hip hop, right?
It was De La Soul who called Sean Combs in 1996, right? The shiny suit man. Right. That's who he was. He was a dude who showed up dancing in the shiny suits. You know, Suge Knight's critique. Come to death row because you want to work with a producer that's going to produce you and not show up dancing in your videos. That's always who Diddy was. Right.
There was no art to the Diddy production in that context. Right. So I think in some ways it's unfair to collapse hip hop onto Diddy because Diddy was really his own thing.
And let me add on, I think we can't discount what Diddy did for hip hop culture, right? He's part of the reason that it is a worldwide phenomenon, right? He's a part of that, right? It's like these guys are promoters who turned what they did, as Dr. Neal said, into a brand and made it honestly transcend just hip hop culture. And it made it into something that became big and pop, right?
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Chapter 7: How does hip-hop reflect lived experiences and call for change?
of someone who had attained a certain level of notoriety and celebrity within the Black community, that taking them down would have an adverse effect on the Black community. People are human.
They're going to do bad things. So we can't hold them up on a pedestal, even though some people will. Like Dr. Neal said, some of the hardcore fans or what have you, they will. But people are human. They're going to do things like that. It doesn't diminish hip-hop culture to me in any way. That's not hip-hop.
That was a really important conversation to have about holding people responsible for the actions of a whole genre or for the lyrics of somebody else. And there are clearly issues, but these issues, lots of other people don't feel and other artists working in the industry don't feel are specific issues.
to hip-hop, working practices in music, you know, studio sessions at three in the morning, people being drunk or on drugs and getting dropped off at studio sessions, recruiting girls to go to studio sessions. That's not specific to hip-hop. If I just cast an eye onto rock and roll and groupie culture, that has been going on for years and years and years.
And groupie culture is very heavily linked to girls of school age. So... Looking forward, what do you think the changes need to be on the business side of things to help make this a safer environment for people? Jason, I'll start with you because you're in the industry yourself.
That's interesting. On the business side, changes should be made and we could get into what they should be, but let's be real. Will they be made? You know, the thing that I see when I'm in the industry and I see things similar and I see groupie culture, that kind of thing occur, it's almost... Not encouraged, but kind of like, oh, we'll look this way and let it happen.
It's just something that happens. And like you said, it's not just in hip hop. I've seen it in a lot of different things, and not just in music. Comedy, actors, et cetera, right? It's prevalent in anything that has a public eye on it. So when I think of it, it's not just music. I think it's a societal issue. It's something that has to change with our society.
But how does that happen when, like I said earlier, you have social media and you have, you know, people and not just women and men do it as well, but who get attention based on their looks or their bodies or what they're wearing. So as a society, I think there's changes that need to happen.
You mentioned acting just then. It would be interesting to see some of the protections from acting migrate into the music industry. You know, you can have video vixens twerking up on the rapper in the music video, but I want to see an intimacy coordinator on set. And I don't think that is a standard practice. I mean, correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think that is.
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Chapter 8: Should hip-hop be held accountable as a cultural leader?
It doesn't help the industry move, but it's like the icing on the cake for the industry. And so it's expendable in certain kinds of ways. And if hip-hop disappears, yes, we got rid of our gender and sexuality problem. But the reality is that all the questions that we raise about how things function in the industry speaks to the fact that if you are a young woman in American society,
regardless of your industry, right? You could be an academic. You could be an undergraduate student, right? You could be a musician. You could be working in a factory in Amazon. You are dealing under particular kinds of conditions that allow for you to be exploited sexually and violently in the context of your everyday lives, right? The fact that we have rappers who put language to this in music,
just speaks to a kind of symbolic and surface aspect of what's happening more deeply in the context of the culture.
Thank you for speaking to me today. That was Mark Anthony Neal, Professor of African American Studies at Duke University in North Carolina. Thank you.
Thank you.
And Dr. Jason Rawls, or better known as J Rawls, an Assistant Professor of Hip Hop in the School of Music at The Ohio State University. Thank you so much. I really appreciate today.
Thank you so much.
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