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Dr. Anthony vs. Jon Otto Debate: Live Debate on Urine Therapy, Placebo & Proof | DSH #1602
01 Nov 2025
Chapter 1: What is the background of Dr. Anthony G. Beck?
Everybody out there in the info space says, stop eating fish before you see this. Don't do the whatever. And you got microplexes and cutting boards and the linings of the cans and the black utensils and all this stuff. And none of them look at the science. What they do is they go on Reddit and they have their sales and marketing people find out what's trending and they just regurgitate it too.
Okay, guys, got two guests that have previously been on the show. We're going to engage in a meaningful conversation slash debate today. We got Dr. Anthony and John Otto. Thanks for coming on, gentlemen. I appreciate it. Yeah, for new listeners, let's do some quick one-minute intros, and then we'll get straight into the debate. Nice. You start, brother. Oh, me? Okay, man.
Well, I'm Dr. Anthony G. Beck. I'm an integrative and functional medicine physician for the last 30 years. I have a clinical method called Balance Protocol, which helps individuals find out what things they should do in their lives to maximize and optimize their health, specifically to them, recognizing them as a category of one and doing the right thing in the right order.
And I'm here from sunny Florida. I represent Florida. Awesome. And a father of three amazing children. Yeah. I'm a dad for sure. That's awesome. Three princesses. It helps to be in central Florida. That's awesome. So yeah, one, I appreciate both of you guys for doing this. So my background, so I'm an investigative journalist. I did a couple of degrees in Australia with a specialty in those areas.
found a real interest in, in natural health because of my own health challenges as a child. And then, uh, took my, my like expertise in that area.
It's some of what you referenced when we're talking off the show, the humanitarian side as well, because that was, that was why I was getting those, um, like, uh, that study under my belt was to, to comment on world issues, to be a part of solutions that related to human suffering.
So my, my pursuit was then to try to as best as I could put an end to human suffering, whether it was against human trafficking, uh, uh, poverty, starvation. But then health, to me, it was all in the same category. It was about oppression. It was about lies. It was about information that could save lives.
And so I went and produced a lot of award-winning films, so filmmaker as well, and produced the Truth About Cancer series. Of the documentaries we released, we've had hundreds of millions of views against the films.
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Chapter 2: What insights does Jonathan Otto share about alternative health?
Primarily people are pursuing that because they're interested in reversing disease as what you're great at. And we're just a part of that huge movement in the world. And what I would say is that there are many people that report that our resources do help them in turning around conditions that many physicians are not able to solve for them. I love it. Thanks, gentlemen.
Yeah, it sounds like you two both have similar goals, right? Yeah, there's a lot of synergy there. I mean, I know Ty Bollinger, he chatted with me back in, 2010, 2011, something like that, back in the day when he was kind of revving up for his cancer stuff. That's cool, man. So I'm sure we have a lot of crossover. Yeah, you both want to get people healthy.
You guys just have different ways about going about it, right? Yeah, absolutely. That's the difference. And the big one I think we'll be discussing today is urine therapy. That's right. I affectionately call it the golden delusion. Shots fired, shots fired. Yeah, I don't mind. You should. If you believe that, you should. And I respect it.
And in this case, I would become the defendant because it's largely established today that urine is a waste product. So I'm the kind of kook and the odd one out in this one. So I don't mind being the defendant. I think that there's an extremely valid case for this. And so I... But, yeah, I can't wait to hear your arguments as well.
And I can tell you I'll honestly consider everything that you're saying and question everything I believe because if I'm wrong, I don't want to mislead people. I can say that. That's fantastic to hear. I absolutely don't want to mislead people. I love that. And I think that's why my math is called balanced protocol. It's a balanced understanding.
affectionately disliked by both sides because I'm in the middle. I take a very balanced look at these things because, you know, here I am, you know, by profession and education, I'm an MD and a DOM. Well, he's not an MD. Okay, well, podiatrists are MDs. Do you really want an MD podiatrist working on your heart? I don't think so. So we all have our space, right?
So I speak from a point of view that is clinically experienced. I call it skin in the game, right? And so I think a lot of, dare we call it holistic things, I don't really like that term because to me, that's whole list ick. That's my little make fun of it because everybody loves a whole list of pills, potions and powders and the biohackers. I mean, people can they can Google me.
They can go to my website and they can see the other podcasts I've been on. I mean, my opinions out there are pretty known. And of course, I'm the physician behind the scenes to a lot of the big names that are out there. But some want me to say, some don't want me to say. But the point is, is there are alternatives that are fantastic. Yeah. Right.
But then there's a lot of fantastic drugs and pharmaceuticals, too. I'm not a shill for big pharma. I don't like big pharma. Right. But I train lots of pharmacists. So at the end of the day, it's a balanced understanding. So any anything that I can do to just give people the balanced look and then ultimately they can choose for themselves. I don't care if you want to drink urine or not.
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Chapter 3: What are the arguments for and against urine therapy?
And particularly around something like, you know, drinking your own urine, it takes a tremendous amount of mental to take the first thing. Of course, I've drank my pee before. Yes, I've tried it. Well, I respect that you would say that, because some people wouldn't want to even say that. Oh, and I'll even tell you, I've even separated it.
You know, the foamy cells at the bottom and the top, played with that, swished it around. I haven't put it in my eyes or done any of that stuff. We'll talk about that, because boy, do I have a case that will crack you up, one of the bad things about it. And yeah, so, but now for me, do I drink my own Kool-Aid and say, well, was that me doing the nocebo? So that's just as powerful.
Like, this isn't going to do shit. You know what I'm saying? Well, urine therapy would go straight into the nocebo, I think. Because, like, think about it. Their whole life they've been told that it's poison and it's gross and it's terrible. And so now they drink it. Why would they feel better? Like, yeah, sure, some hypnotizing guy then said, like, you know, cure everything or something stupid.
Yeah. And so now they may be convinced by that, but don't you think the underlying program, the one that's more predominant is still that it's gross and they're like holding their nose, they're nearly vomiting while they're doing it. But then it solves their health problems, which there's so many cases on that.
And I'll share all the medical journals that have published this over the last hundred years. And they're important because what I'm saying, this is a lost art. And, yeah, I think it goes past that because it did pass that. And it was predominant in cultures before double-blind placebos and all this. And it was passed down through generations and used during critical times in human history.
But here's my pushback on that, that there are published studies in a lot of nefarious journals. Like, for instance, I'm a big opponent to the LifeWave patch. It's the biggest scam I've ever seen in my 30 years because it completely doesn't do anything. But they have a massive amount of stories of people saying, oh, my God, I did all these wonderful things. It can't.
So much so, I have it sent off to the lab now, wait till you guys see the chemical mass spec that's actually in that, so that's gonna break the internet. But the thing is, is so people will say these things do things, but then these companies will come in and they'll say, we have studies, or we have literature, because people get me with that all the time. Well, where's your published work?
Okay, well, I don't publish, I'm in the trenches. I work with patients, clients, or whatever you wanna call it. And at the end of the day, That's my thing. And I'm not a Ph.D. I don't look at research and just interpret it and then tell people what it says. And then, hey, everybody, this study said this.
Therefore, you should all do it when they don't go and take the actual inclusionary and exclusionary criteria of the study. Who was in the study? I'm sure we'll get into the Wake Forest stem cell study. Yeah. It's pretty cool because it had a wide range of age in it. I respect that you know about it. Oh, very familiar. Good. Which is where I think we're going to show a big difference in that.
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Chapter 4: How does the debate address the risks and benefits of urine therapy?
I haven't been stung, but I heard to do that. So if I do get stung, I will try it. Yeah. Go ahead. And you know what? There's no harm in doing it. And it works every time. Fantastic. And I get stung a lot because I'm always diving and bitten. Actually, here's one. This one, a young girl, 14-year-old, stung by a scorpion. And she looked really bad.
And the locals were saying that she'd likely die from it because it was a large scorpion. And and she drank her urine because we were in the middle of nowhere and I advised her to do it. Right. So but like and firstly, I had no option. So what would you do now? Here's the thing. This is where I would say this is where this comes from, because the urine contains a tremendous amount of antibodies.
No, not antibodies. Okay. Sorry. No, it's okay. It can have, but see, the thing is, is like, for instance, cortisol. There's a lot of inflammatory things. When a person is stressed or in a situation, it instantly gets sent through the whole body. I don't know if we want to talk about the... and then like a Google browser term that's all out there.
People tell me that there's that scandal that's out there. But when you're under fear or you get stung or whatever, your body instantly gets flooded with a lot of things. And that's why when you get scared, you pee. You lose that grip for the kidneys and it puts it out. There's a lot of stuff in there.
So theoretically, I can recognize that you could consume fear-based urine, let's call it for lack of a better term, in a moment like that, And instead of releasing that type of neurotransmitter or neurosteroid, it could go back in and then raise those levels and therefore report a benefit. So see, I'm open-minded to things like that, but the problem is...
There's no, all those are, I mean, everything that I do clinically, my 100,000 cases that I've done, it's anecdotal. Yeah. Because it's not public. So I'm not afraid of anecdotal evidence. It is all anecdotal. You're right. So yeah, there's stories like that. And so, yeah. And then so would you, and she came right out of it and it was amazing. And so super.
So who was there to say, hey, here's what we got to do. You were just done my thing. Quick. I know what to do. Let's have you pee in this vessel and drink it. It was me. Yeah. Okay, great. Yeah, it was me. We were doing a famine distribution and we were headed on a truck on the way out. And my dad, Nate, who was, if he watches this show, he'll be very disappointed.
He does not like me talking about this subject. Anyway, it's funny. Yeah, exactly. So I'm like, dad, stay in the car. Anyway. It's like Doc Smack about my dad. He's just, you know, my mom and dad are jars of dirt now. That's what I say. People go, oh, that's so bad. Yeah, look, I'm just bringing shame on the family by talking on this subject. But anyway, it's good to have a good laugh.
No, it's good. There's always got to be the laugh. Yeah. And anyway, so me and Nathan Crane, who's like a health coach and researcher. Anyway, so we go back and I'm like, Nathan, this is what we should tell her to do. I did use nicotine as well, and there's reasons for that. And I did use CDS. I don't want to ā that's the C dioxide solution. Yeah, yeah. MMS. Yes, exactly.
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Chapter 5: What are the risks associated with drinking urine?
Yeah, they do, and it goes in their lungs too.
Chapter 6: How does urine therapy relate to skin conditions?
Exactly, and it's responsible for forming their lungs, and then second trimesters, 90% of the amniotic fluid, what's in the sac is urine.
Chapter 7: What are the implications of urine in fetal development?
But think of the intervals of when you're doing it, you're urinating every one to three hours, and then drinking hundreds or thousands of milliliters, then it's going to become basically all mix of urine, and anyway...
Chapter 8: How can urine be used in alternative health practices?
Yeah, but here's the thing. But why can they do that, but we can't? I'm going to show you. Even with all those toxins. I got your answer. And this is where I'm hoping you'll adjust and correct the argument. I'll take it. If it's legit. Oh, I'm going to tell you. It's science. All right, so. Sound like Fauci. The fluid is going in there. It's cycling in that fluid. Okay? At the same time.
That's why we have a belly button, right? But did Adam have a belly button? No. Okay, exactly. Yeah. So my one thing is, is that it's directly bypassing all of the organs of the baby and going directly to the vein and artery. Yeah. Into the baby. Listen to me. The fluid through the umbilical cord is going directly into the... It's doing all the work. Yeah. For the baby.
But then when it urinates and then drinks, it goes back through its organs. Yeah. But it's being removed. So umbilical cord function versus amniotic fluid are not the same. So when the EWG does a study, and they're a big marketing click stuff anyways. I like the word. It's irrelevant to the topic. No, because here's the problem. There's chemicals in the wound. Yes, but here's what they didn't do.
Did they take samples from the fetus and the amniotic fluid of those umbilical cord samples? The answer is no. No, and if they did, they would find it in the urine because... No, no, you can't presume or assume that. Go to urinemetabolome.ca, look at the 6,000 or 5,600 small molecule metabolites and concentrates. In urine, the body print, that's the point.
What's in the body and the blood is in the urine. That's the point of how it works. But the baby is not, the baby's, what it's consuming is not the same as adults that are going to hear this show are consuming. Or not at all? Well, they're getting 287 chemicals. I don't care if there was 8,000.
Well, still, it's going into their bodies, and then it now has to pass through all their organs, and then their organs do the work, and that's where people don't even understand. No, their organs are not doing the work. No, they are not. See, that's where you're missing in foundational stuff not having the background. So they don't have any organs that are doing any work.
So when they drink it, it doesn't go through. No, the mom is doing the work. That's why moms are just rocked when they're building babies. Before the baby exits the womb, you're saying that their liver, their kidneys do nothing at that point. I didn't say that. Well, that's what I'm talking about. I'm saying the work of it. In other words, because here's the thing. If that was the case. It is.
No, it's not. But their kidneys are working. That's the point of them. This is why a mother who consumes alcohol doesn't kill the baby. Because it didn't get all the alcohol that's in her system. Yeah. Over time, it can bring damage. Filtering her down. So there's a disconnect here, Donovan.
What you're doing is I understand you're trying to use babies and them drinking their own pee inside the womb as justification for adults to do it. I'm saying that is a fallacy because we're not babies. Taking a Zempik is fine. But anyway, sorry. Go ahead. Yes. I wouldn't give a zippy to a baby. Because it's not. Because they're not an adult. Okay, so my point. Because you know it's bad.
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