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Why Nick Fuentes Says Conservative Media Is ‘Controlled Opposition’ | Nick Fuentes DSH #1395
Fri, 06 Jun 2025
Nick Fuentes breaks his silence in this raw and unfiltered interview. From being placed on a federal no-fly list to calling out conservative media giants like Tim Pool, Ben Shapiro, and Daily Wire — nothing is off the table. Fuentes claims he's been blacklisted from the entire conservative ecosystem, and he’s here to explain why. He dives deep into Israel’s influence on U.S. politics, the weaponization of censorship, the AI surveillance state, and why he believes “free speech” is mostly a myth in modern America. 🔻 Timestamps 00:52 – Put on the No-Fly List After January 6 03:59 – “Everything You Say Is Being Tracked” 08:06 – The Real Danger of AI Deceiving Us 10:55 – Tim Pool Accuses Fuentes of Being “Israel First” 13:00 – “If You Care About America, You Must Care About Israel’s Influence” 19:12 – Blacklisted by CPAC, Daily Wire, Turning Point, and More 25:06 – Daily Wire Can’t Compete Without Censorship 27:13 – “Shapiro is a Foreign Agent” 34:00 – Inside Trump’s Cabinet: Zionist Influence & Loyalty Conflicts 48:00 – Project Esther: Labeling Pro-Palestine Americans as Terrorists 52:00 - Trump’s war on Ivy League schools 1:01:50 - Holocaust discourse and limits of speech 1:12:00 - Jordan Peterson: “You’re nothing” 1:14:40 - What’s next for Nick Fuentes? 👇 Let us know your thoughts in the comments. And don’t forget to like & subscribe for more deep dives and difficult conversations. APPLY TO BE ON THE PODCAST: https://www.digitalsocialhour.com/application BUSINESS INQUIRIES/SPONSORS: [email protected] GUEST: Nick Fuentes https://www.instagram.com/4biddenknowledge SPONSORS: THERASAGE: https://therasage.com/ LISTEN ON: Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/digital-social-hour/id1676846015 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/5Jn7LXarRlI8Hc0GtTn759 Sean Kelly Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/seanmikekelly/ The views and opinions expressed by guests on Digital Social Hour are solely those of the individuals appearing on the podcast and do not necessarily reflect the views or opinions of the host, Sean Kelly, or the Digital Social Hour team. While we encourage open and honest conversations, Sean Kelly is not legally responsible for any statements, claims, or opinions made by guests during the show. Listeners are encouraged to form their own opinions and consult professionals for advice where appropriate. Content on this podcast is for entertainment and informational purposes only and should not be considered legal, medical, financial, or professional advice. Digital Social Hour works with participants in sponsored media and stays compliant with Federal Communications Commission (FCC) regulations regarding sponsored media. #ad #Censorship #NickFuentes #DailyWire #Trump2024 #Israel #SurveillanceState #FreeSpeech #PoliticalControversy #TimPool
Chapter 1: Why was Nick Fuentes put on the no-fly list?
And, you know, my clips started to go viral on Instagram this year. They relaxed the moderation a little bit in an environment where Daily Wire has to compete with real truth tellers. They're going to talk about the real issues. They don't they're not competitive anymore. They're no longer the best game in town. They're not even attractive. And in particular, people start to see the hypocrisy.
All right, guys. One of the most canceled people on the internet. We got him here in studio today. Nick Fuentes. Thanks for coming on, man. Yeah, thanks for having me. Good to be here. You faced some of the most censorship I've ever seen, I think, online. I think I might be the most censored. First or second most. You were Tate, right? Yes, absolutely. One of those two.
And Tate's dealing with a lot of stuff right now.
Yes, he's dealing with the lawfare. Have you dealt with that yet? I have in a different form. Back after January 6th, I got hit with no fly list. They froze my bank account, subpoenaed by Congress. Thankfully not charged because that's a whole other situation. But yeah, that was my experience with law. Jeez, you couldn't fly?
No. How'd you get that off your, or is it still in effect right now or? Uh, no.
So I went to the Capitol for January 6th and about a week later I was put on a federal no fly list. And you know, the thing about the no fly list, they don't tell you that you're on it. Yeah. Sort of a mystery. Um, so I went to the airport a few months later to fly in for a protest down in Florida and I couldn't print my boarding pass. I couldn't get it on my phone. I couldn't get it at the kiosk.
I had to go to the check-in counter. It kept giving me this error message. And the lady at the counter gets on the phone with TSA for 50 minutes. I mean, literally like an hour. I missed my flight. And I said, okay, well, I mean, it doesn't even matter at this point. You know, the flight's gone. She goes, well, you can't fly today. I'm like, what does that mean? I'm like, I can't fly here.
I can't fly this airline, this airport. What does that mean? She goes, you can't fly today. I'm like, can you tell me anything else? She goes, no, that's all I can say. You know, I lost my mind. I'm like, this is ridiculous. What are you talking about? And then I called the TSA and I said, am I on the no-fly list? I told them what happened to me.
And they said, well, even if you are, we can't tell you. It's classified law enforcement information. They said, if you think you're on the list, you file a form. They don't even tell you. You have to file a form if you suspect you're on it. And then if you're on it, they will review whether you should be on it. And so I submitted my form. And about a year later, they took me off.
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Chapter 2: What are the implications of AI on surveillance?
Well, yeah, it's all this biometric stuff. And if you notice, they're starting to roll that out at every airport now. When you go to the ticketing gate, You have an option where you can actually opt out. I opt out every time, but they'll take your picture with the camera.
It's totally optional, but that is to collect your facial ID so that in the future, that's what they're going to use at the international ports of entry and at domestic check-in, they're just going to use your face. And so they're doing a lot of incentives to collect that information now. So they have all of it later when they're going to force it on everybody.
Does the increase in surveillance worry you? Yeah.
Yeah, it terrifies me. You know, you think about 30 years ago, what you could get away with, so to speak. I was watching an old movie. I was watching A Few Good Men, and they're worried about military surveillance. All they had to do, you know, you watch The Sopranos. All you have to do if you're worried about surveillance in 2005 or 1995,
is you go to a pay phone and you call somebody on a pay phone. Now it's like they're listening on your phone, on your TV, on your car. They have cameras now on the highways, you know, at the tollway. Even there's some other cameras. The Bluetooth is tracking you ever since COVID. Wow. So everything you say, do, everywhere you go, everything you type into AI, Google, it's all being tracked.
It's all being uploaded. And the worst part is now all that information is going into the private sector. It's all being gathered up by these private entities like Palantir. The CIA can't lawfully and constitutionally collect all this data and use it. I mean, this is warrantless spying, and to use it potentially for a charge or conviction. There's a lot of legal obstacles for that.
It's now all going into these private companies. And with AI, it's now more effective than ever. You could say that 10 years ago, 15 years ago, they had the capability to collect this information. They called it Operation Echelon. And so they had it before, but they couldn't parse and sift through the data because there was so much volume.
Now with AI, I mean, you can imagine, you know how effective AI is. They can take all of that information you know, transaction information, your vehicle information, all the emails, texts, phone calls, and they could create an AI insight based on all of that. So it's basically the elimination of... The Trilight from Therasage is no joke.
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Chapter 3: How is censorship affecting conservative media?
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human freedom. I mean, it's just not possible.
Holy crap.
Free speech is on the line. It's all on the line. You know, you figure if they can see and hear everything you do and say, it's really up to their discretion is the problem. If they have all that knowledge, if you have no privacy, it's really up to whether a government magistrate can make the decision. Are we going to come after this guy? You know, we know everything about him.
We know all his secrets. If he committed a transgression, you could probably plug it into an AI and see, has this guy broken any federal laws? with finances, anything like that, sex stuff. I mean, you name it. So... Wow. It's, you know, Ted Kaczynski, maybe this is not in vogue anymore, but he sort of predicted this 30 years ago and he was largely correct.
I mean, you could find dirt on anyone these days. Blackmail is probably more common than ever, I'd imagine. Certainly. Well... You know, and if you're watching everybody at all times, I mean, unless you're an angel, I think somebody's going to have something. Which no one is. Right. It's like we're in Black Mirror right now. Yeah, it is. It's real life. I mean, it's real scary.
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Chapter 4: What is the relationship between Israel and U.S. politics?
Yeah, I think there's a much greater potential for problems than people realize because we don't really understand it. And, you know, the thing about AI is we don't know if it's deceiving us or not. You know, what happens when AI becomes intelligent enough to deceive its user? At that point, we're not going to know when that happens.
The moment that it figures out how to deceive us, it will start concealing that ability. So there's a lot of AI safety advocates on Twitter, and they make jokes and memes about this. And they basically say that at a certain point, AI is going to learn to trick people. They're basically going to play dumb. And then over time, they're going to...
develop themselves, are going to engage in that recursive self-improvement. That's when AI improves itself without a human operator or somebody using it. And it will become vastly more intelligent communicating with itself. And we're not aware fully of its capability. We can't even comprehend or understand it. It creates a novel language. to communicate with itself.
And it's at that point that we lose control over it. And, you know, because we don't understand the nature of it, maybe that's impossible, but maybe it isn't, you know, we don't know. And that's the problem with another intelligence is it has that ability to conceal from human beings.
And that's what makes it so dangerous. I mean, Elon posted yesterday that singularity already happened. Right. Crazy, right? Speaking of Twitter, we got to go through some of your recent tweets. Oh man, I love how unhinged you are on Twitter. It's the last platform you're on, so. That's right, yes. Well, we got to talk about the recent call out with Tim Pool. What sparked that?
And has he responded to any of your comments yet?
I don't think he's responded, but it's really been one-sided. You know, I wanted to get on Tim Pool's show many years ago. I tried to get on the show. My fans would go on his live chat and say, we want to see Nick Fuentes on the show. And for five years, he's been ducking me. I mean, since 2020 or 2021. I've been trying to get on the show and I'm a pretty notable guy.
I think certainly I'm more notable than many of the guests that are on the show. And he's called me out. His guests have called me out. So I think it's appropriate. I don't think I'm overly entitled to say he should invite me on the show as a notable guest, as someone that's been called out. And over the years, he's given many excuses. He said, well, your fans are brigading the live chat.
You're not supposed to do that. I'm thinking, isn't that kind of what you want? Don't you want to generate hype and buzz? And his producers will say, who do you want to see on the show? My fans say, we want to see Nick. And they go, oh, well, too many people are saying your name. It's like, OK, I mean, so why ask? So that's what they said in the very beginning.
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Chapter 5: Why does Nick Fuentes believe he's blacklisted?
So, I mean, that can't be the case. And anyway, so the latest episode, this is just a little of the history. I basically gave up. I said, you know what? He doesn't want to have me on the show, whatever. I mean, and I can imagine any number of real reasons. Maybe he doesn't want to lose his YouTube channel. Maybe he doesn't want to get into a certain topic like Israel that might get him canceled.
You know, we could use our imaginations why he doesn't want to have that conversation. But out of the blue, out of a clear blue sky the other night, he goes on this rant and says that I'm Israel first. He says, Nick Fuentes is Israel first. And, you know, I've been called a lot of things for as long as I've been doing this.
I've been called a Nazi, anti-semi-racist, fed, gay, you know, every kind of thing you can imagine, every slander. No one's ever accused me of being pro-Israel. That one hurt you the most? That one hurt. Okay, yeah, that one hurt me a little bit. He said, I'm Israel first. And he said... And I've heard this before. He's not the first one to say something like this.
He said, if all you talk about is Israel, he says, then in a weird roundabout way, you are giving Israel more credit than they deserve. You have an outsized perception of what they're capable of or who they are. He said, so if you're banging your head against the wall, all you talk about is Israel, then do you even care about America?
Maybe you care more about Israel, have more of a negative opinion of Israel to the detriment of a positive feeling towards America. That's a debate I'm eager to have. I'd be very interested in that, you know, because... This is a talking point which has become very popular in a very short amount of time.
So much so that I almost suspect that this is a talking point that was developed and then deployed. And I say that because I've seen Oron McIntyre from Blaze TV, Matt Walsh from Daily Wire, Tucker Carlson. They've all said exactly the same thing in interviews in the past two, three weeks. And they say something like this. They say, I only care about America. I don't care about Israel.
My rebuttal to that is, of course, we care about America. That's the name of my show. It's America First. But if you care about America, you care about its governance. The biggest problem with America is corruption. It's that foreign governments, multinational corporations are influencing our system. They're bribing the politicians. They have regulatory capture over the bureaucracy.
They influence the war machine. That's why we get all these policies like free trade or the war in Iraq, which are not in America's interest. You know, these are things that benefit certain companies, certain countries. They don't benefit the actual people of the country. So, of course, if you care about America, you need to care about if Israel's influencing our foreign policy.
If you cared about about America, you care about our military. should we go and fight a war in Iran? Most Americans would say no. Israel says yes. They're very clear about this. If you care about America, you need to care about, you know, that Israel is exercising a veto over our military and our foreign policy. That's just one example. So, He said all that.
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Chapter 6: What are the consequences of being labeled 'controlled opposition'?
And that goes for Jordan Peterson, Shapiro, Tim Pool, Charlie Kirk. These are all people that have called me out over the years, called me names.
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I'd about me and I said, let's have a debate. Let's talk about it. You have this ideology, very mainstream, conventional, orthodox. I have this underground heterodox dissident view. Let's have the conversation. This is the free marketplace of ideas.
Hmm.
it is they that adamantly have refused to cross the board over 10 years. So, you know, it just becomes very frustrating. So I had a little bit of an unhinged rant on a lot of swearing and pretty aggressive.
But I mean, I'm very frustrated about it over the years. I wonder if in their minds, they don't want to platform you and potentially lose sponsors and revenue. Yeah. And I think that's a big reason.
I'm sure that's part of the reason why. But then they should just say that. Yeah. You know, I mean, don't don't piss on my leg and tell me it's raining and say, oh, well, you know, a lot of them say, well, we don't have him on because he's a jerk. He's a nasty guy. And it's like, I think I'm a polite guy. Even if you disagree with me, I'm pretty polite.
Um, you know, and I think that if they were transparent about it, it would reveal kind of the whole game, which is, wait a second. I thought we're in a free marketplace of ideas. Now you're telling me that if you talk to a certain person, you're going to lose all your money. What does that say about the political discourse?
What does that say about our politics that, you know, from Candace Owens to Ben Shapiro? I mean, really the full spectrum, they're all dependent on platform access on the major social platforms. They're all dependent on ad revenue from big sponsors, from certain companies.
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Chapter 7: What does Nick Fuentes think about Trump's foreign policy?
You know, even if it's not, you know, maybe not necessarily somebody says, you can't say this, you can't say that. Even if it's a quiet self-censorship where somebody says, oh, if I have this guy on, I'm going to lose my show. It's really a difference without a distinction.
Because people like to say, do you really believe that so-and-so on television is getting a list of what to say and they're sort of cynically and self-consciously lying to their audience? Not necessarily. I think people like opportunities. They like to get paid. They want to have a big platform. They know there's a game, so to speak, and to... To win, you have to play the game.
And we all know what that means. Tucker knows what that means when he lost his job at Fox. Candace knows what that means when she lost her YouTube for about a month last year. We all know what you can say. We all, especially in this space, you know, you're a content creator. We all know where that line is. It's sort of implied. And we all make decisions every day and all the time.
Are we going to approach that line, cross that line, avoid it completely? And... someone like myself, my existence is inconvenient for them because I'm somebody that says, I have no lines. I have no sponsors. I've been banned from the platforms. If they ban me, I don't care. I'll go on an alternative platform. And so there's just sort of like this deep contradiction.
You can't go out and tell your audience, I'm uncensored. I'm free speech. I'm a free marketplace of ideas. Oh, but I'm on YouTube. So I can't say this. Oh, but I have a sponsor. I can't say that. Somebody like Nick Fuentes exists alongside. I hate when people say their own names. I think it's very narcissistic.
But if someone like myself comes around and says, well, I'm banned on YouTube and I talk to everybody and I say whatever, it kind of makes all these people look like controlled opposition. And I think they hate that. So that's a big part of it.
No, it's a good point. It makes you wonder who in alternative media, especially the political space is compromised or influenced or paid off. I feel like it's a good amount of people.
I think it's everybody. I think it's all my, and you know, that's not to say I'm the truest, you know, and best or whatever, but you just have to follow the money. And people say that I have a cult like following. Okay. Guilty as charged, you know, so do a lot of the great movies and underground artists. I mean, I have a loyal audience. They pay me to do my show.
The question is, how many of the big streamers could survive just on their audience paying them? Very few in the conservative political space. Very few of them have genuine fans. You got the top guys like no doubt a talker could raise money from his audience and make a good living. Candace Owens, I'm sure. But once you get into that like B and C tier, I think it becomes impossible.
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Chapter 8: How does Nick Fuentes view the current state of conservative media?
Yeah, it'd be tough for sure. And you tweeted out you're blacklisted by almost everyone in the conservative space, right? Daily Wire, Turning Point, Pierce Morgan, Blaze TV, CPAC. How do you know that for sure?
They've told me I got kicked out of CPAC. I get kicked out every year. Every year that I go since 2019, they literally throw me out. And I will, it's as simple as this. I went in maybe a year or two ago just to check. I walked in the night before it even started and I just literally strolled in. And they've got like a big, it's in a big convention center.
So they've got the big ballrooms and then the big hall, you know, where they'll have like the, you know, they have like drinks and exhibitions and things like that. So I'm not even in like really the main ballroom. I'm in this exhibition hall. I'm strolling through. It took five minutes for security to clock me in this big crowded room. Mr. Fuentes, can you come with us?
And then they throw me out. And it's been years. I'm not there to start a problem. You know, I'm just walking around. And, you know, the same goes for Daily Wire. I've asked them for many years, have me on the show, debate me. None of the shows will not. Clavin, Knowles, Walsh, Shapiro, Peterson, Candace, when she was there, none of them would do it.
And then with Turning Point USA, I'm on the blacklist. They throw me out of their convention every year. You know, this all my beef with Turning Point started in 2019. Turning Point chapter wanted to bring me as a speaker. Turning Point said, you can't do that. They fired. Actually, it's funny. You know, Ashley St. Clair, everybody knows her now. She's Elon Musk's baby mama.
Years ago, she was a turning point ambassador. Wow. We took a picture at a party in 2019. Just a party. She wasn't even at the event I was at. We all just wound up in the same place. She got stripped of her ambassadorship because she was in the picture the next day. Holy crap. Because she hung out with me. That's like the level of blackballing I'm on in the conservative space.
People don't even realize.
It's just so nuts to me because conservatives are about free speech and all this, but I hear stuff like this. That's not free speech.
No, nothing close to it. And it's a definition of cancel culture. I mean, and this is like... This is something that's so telling about the conservative space. These people have railed for 10 years about censorship, cancel culture, wokeness, you know, political correctness. They're all subtly different, but all these things are in the same vein.
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