Discourse in Magic
Episodes
Trading Places: Jonah Babins with The Magic Guys
19 Mar 2026
Contributed by Lukas
This week, Discourse in Magic looks a little different. Instead of Jonah interviewing a guest, we’re sharing an episode where the tables were turned...
Mastering the Perfect Sales Call
14 Mar 2026
Contributed by Lukas
In this episode, Jonah Babins breaks down a critical mistake magicians make when a lead finally lands in their inbox: treating the sales call like a l...
Where Has Jonah Been?
06 Mar 2026
Contributed by Lukas
In this solo episode, Jonah Babins pulls back the curtain on the eight-month hiatus of Discourse in Magic. Since August 2025, the podcast feed has bee...
Weaponize Your Show
17 Aug 2025
Contributed by Lukas
In this episode of Discourse in Magic, Jonah Babins dives into a powerful concept from his mastermind sessions: Weaponizing Your Show. The idea is sim...
Thoughts on FISM
25 Jul 2025
Contributed by Lukas
In this solo episode of Discourse in Magic, Jonah Babins shares his raw and honest reflections on FISM 2025. From mind-blowing performances to maratho...
Jamie Allan: Building Big Magic With Authenticity
17 Jul 2025
Contributed by Lukas
In this episode of Discourse in Magic, Jonah sits down with Jamie Allan, a pioneering illusionist and producer known for blending large-scale magic wi...
The Art and Hustle of Modern Magic with Xavier Mortimer
08 Jul 2025
Contributed by Lukas
Jonah sits down with viral magician Xavier Mortimer to trace an unlikely journey—from learning back‑and‑front palming out of a gas‑station...
The Business of Fringe Magic with Luke Oseland
10 Jun 2025
Contributed by Lukas
In this episode, Jonah Babins is joined by rising UK magic star Luke Oseland to explore a journey that spans from toy magic sets and teenage tinkering...
Summit, AI and Where I Am
29 May 2025
Contributed by Lukas
In this week’s episode of Discourse in Magic, Jonah Babins returns with a behind-the-scenes look at the Mexico Mastermind Summit, his latest adventu...
Pioneering Corporate Magic with Bill Herz
11 Apr 2025
Contributed by Lukas
In this episode, Jonah Babins is joined by corporate magic legend Bill Herz to unpack a career that spans summer camps, corporate boardrooms, and head...
Leah Orleans: Pushing Boundaries in Magic
30 Mar 2025
Contributed by Lukas
In this episode of Discourse in Magic, Jonah Babins sits down with magician, circus performer, and entertainer Leah Orleans to discuss her unique jour...
Jonah Babins: Magic’s Business Whisperer
15 Mar 2025
Contributed by Lukas
This week on Discourse in Magic, we’re bringing you a special repost of Jonah Babins’ appearance on the Penguin Magic Podcast, hosted by E...
Public Shows and Upcoming Tour Dates
07 Mar 2025
Contributed by Lukas
In this solo episode of Discourse in Magic, Jonah Babins dives into the world of public shows, sharing his insights on why every magician should consi...
Magic and Mystery with Jonathan Levit
28 Feb 2025
Contributed by Lukas
In this episode of Discourse in Magic, Jonah Babins sits down with Jonathan Levit to discuss his multifaceted career in the entertainment industry, fr...
Runnings Ads to Get Gigs
20 Feb 2025
Contributed by Lukas
Welcome to another insightful episode of Discourse in Magic with your host, Jonah Babins! This week, Jonah shares his journey and lessons learned from...
Magic and Mystery in New York with Rachel Wax
08 Feb 2025
Contributed by Lukas
In this episode, Jonah sits down with Rachel Wax to discuss her journey from fashion to full-time magic, performing at Speakeasy Magick, and her creat...
The Art and Science of Illusions with Matt Pritchard
31 Jan 2025
Contributed by Lukas
In this episode of Discourse in Magic, Jonah Babins sits down with magician, science communicator, and viral illusion creator Matt Pritchard. Matt’s...
The Preloaded Year
10 Jan 2025
Contributed by Lukas
In this week’s episode of Discourse in Magic, Jonah Babins kicks off the new year with an insightful discussion about the January slump—a reality ...
UNO REVERSE: Jonah Babins gets interviewed by Eric Leclerc
12 Dec 2024
Contributed by Lukas
Join us for a unique twist as Eric Leclerc takes over as host to interview the usual host, Jonah Babins, on his own podcast, Discourse in Magic. This ...
Reimagining Magic Performance with Taylor Hughes
05 Dec 2024
Contributed by Lukas
Renowned magician and captivating storyteller Taylor Hughes joins us for an insightful exploration of his magical journey. We unravel Taylor’s i...
Rider or Die
14 Nov 2024
Contributed by Lukas
In this episode of Discourse in Magic, I explore the art of crafting the perfect artist rider for your magic performances. I break down the essent...
The Heart of Magic With Dustin Tavella
07 Nov 2024
Contributed by Lukas
Join us as we sit down with the incredibly talented Dustin Tavella, winner of the 2021 season of America’s Got Talent, who shares his inspiring ...
The Lead Machine
31 Oct 2024
Contributed by Lukas
Today we’re unpacking the secrets of creating a successful lead machine for your magic business. Many magicians believe generating leads is the ...
The Secrets of a Master Illusionist with Reza
24 Oct 2024
Contributed by Lukas
Get ready to be amazed by the world of grand illusions with our extraordinary guest, Reza Borchardt, as we explore his magical journey from a passiona...
Marketing vs. Sales
14 Oct 2024
Contributed by Lukas
Transform your magic career by distinguishing between the flashy allure of marketing and the powerhouse of sales. Join me as I unravel the myth that a...
Mike Hammer’s Vegas Adventure
03 Oct 2024
Contributed by Lukas
Magician and comedian Mike Hammer takes center stage, unveiling the secrets behind his 13-year run on the Las Vegas strip. From his humble beginnings ...
How to Prepare for December
19 Sep 2024
Contributed by Lukas
Unlock the secrets to skyrocketing your holiday bookings this year! Prepare to transform your magic business with our latest episode of Discourse in M...
The Magic Behind Campers Playing Cards
12 Sep 2024
Contributed by Lukas
Join us for an exciting episode of Discourse in Magic as we welcome back Ben Train to discuss the launch of our latest project, the Campers Playing Ca...
The Art of Blending Comedy and Magic with Bruce Gold
05 Sep 2024
Contributed by Lukas
Magician, comedian, and consultant Bruce Gold joins us for an enthralling chat about his dynamic journey from a childhood fascination with magic to an...
Why Not Corporate?
29 Aug 2024
Contributed by Lukas
Learn how to diversify your magic career and discover why corporate gigs might not be the golden ticket they’re often made out to be. Join host ...
Trade Show Magic with Danny Orleans
22 Aug 2024
Contributed by Lukas
Unlock the secrets of trade show magic with Danny Orleans, a master magician whose career spans from children’s theater to corporate stages. You...
How to Start Getting Gigs
15 Aug 2024
Contributed by Lukas
What if you could transform your passion for magic into a steady stream of gigs without quitting your day job? On this episode of Discourse in Magic,...
Captivating Audiences with Chris Michael
08 Aug 2024
Contributed by Lukas
Prepare to be amazed as we sit down with the extraordinary magician, Chris Michael! From his early days inspired by a local librarian magician to cap...
Touring and Cold Emails
01 Aug 2024
Contributed by Lukas
Unlock the secrets to booking your own magic shows and lectures as you follow my whirlwind journey through August! In this episode of Discourse in Mag...
The Secrets of Modern Magic with Rory Adams
25 Jul 2024
Contributed by Lukas
Renowned magic consultant Rory Adams joins us to share his incredible journey from a childhood fascination with magic, sparked by his grandfather̵...
Public Magic Shows
18 Jul 2024
Contributed by Lukas
Unlock the secrets to producing successful public ticketed magic shows with me, Jonah Babins. This episode pulls back the curtain on the often unseen ...
Jandro’s Magical Evolution
11 Jul 2024
Contributed by Lukas
Discover the remarkable journey of Spanish magician Jandro in this captivating episode of Discourse in Magic. Inspired by the legendary Juan Tamariz, ...
My Top 3 Magic Projects
04 Jul 2024
Contributed by Lukas
Unlock the secrets to making your magic performances more natural and convincing. Join Jonah Babins as he reveals his three favorite magic projects th...
Reimagining Magic with Gaetan Bloom
30 Jun 2024
Contributed by Lukas
Legendary magician Gaetan Bloom joins us to share his journey from a curious child to becoming an iconic figure in the world of magic. Throughout our...
The Math Of $100k
20 Jun 2024
Contributed by Lukas
What if charging $250 per show is the very thing holding you back from building a $100,000 magic business? This episode of Discourse in Magic, hosted ...
Jeki Yoo: The Art of Pop-Up Magic
13 Jun 2024
Contributed by Lukas
Jeki Yoo joins host Jonah Babins to discuss his magic journey, experiences in competitions, and his unique approach to crafting magic for television a...
The Ten Hour Rule
06 Jun 2024
Contributed by Lukas
In this episode of the “Discourse in Magic” podcast, host Jonah Babins discusses the ten-hour rule for running a magic business. He advise...
Franz Harary: Redefining Magic for the Modern Era
30 May 2024
Contributed by Lukas
In this episode of “Discourse in Magic,” host Jonah Babins interviews Franz Harary, a renowned magician and illusion designer. Franz share...
Seven updates for Discourse in Magic
23 May 2024
Contributed by Lukas
In this episode of “Discourse in Magic,” host Jonah Babins shares the exciting news about the podcast’s return. Listeners can look f...
Three Things I Learned During My Second Appearance On Fool Us
09 Nov 2023
Contributed by Lukas
Jonah returns from the wild to let you know that tomorrow, November 9 2023, he and Ben Train will be appearing for the second time on Penn & Telle...
Magic Without Props with Juan Esteban Varela
13 Jul 2023
Contributed by Lukas
Jonah is joined by Juan Esteban Varela, a master at performing without props. Juan is the mind behind Magic in the Dark and in this conversation he ta...
Magic Appetizer: A Case For Counting Tricks
06 Jul 2023
Contributed by Lukas
In this magical appetizer, Jonah makes a case for counting tricks. Love them or hate them Jonah is convinced that they should be a staple trick in you...
Social Media Magic with Dustin Dean
29 Jun 2023
Contributed by Lukas
Jonah is joined by Dustin Dean, an incredible mentalist who you may have seen on your TikTok feed. He has over half a million followers and countless ...
Magic Appetizer: 3 Ways to Make 3k
22 Jun 2023
Contributed by Lukas
In this magic appetizer Jonah offers up three ways that you can grow your business to making more than 3k a month in the next six months. In the past ...
Magic Appetizer: Three Notes on Creativity
15 Jun 2023
Contributed by Lukas
In this magic appetizer Jonah offers up three things that you may want to think about when you are creating magic, making routines, and putting stuff ...
Magic, Mindfulness, and Marketing with David Gerard
08 Jun 2023
Contributed by Lukas
Jonah is joined by David Gerard, a magician who started later in life after a career working in silicon valley marketing for startups. David’s uniqu...
Magic Appetizer: How To Sell Out Your Show
01 Jun 2023
Contributed by Lukas
Today Jonah talks about how to sell tickets to your public magic show by offering up four ways that you can use to sell out your public ticketed magic...
The World Champion of Magic with Markobi
25 May 2023
Contributed by Lukas
Jonah is joined by FISM winner Markobi where they talk all about what it takes to win a competition, what it’s like to work with a team, and what it...
Mastermind Invitation
18 May 2023
Contributed by Lukas
Jonah invites you to join in on his mastermind course where you can scale up your magic business. Join The Mastermind Jonah is re-opening up the doors...
Building Magical Relationships with Jason Suran
11 May 2023
Contributed by Lukas
Jonah is joined by Jason Suran who shares his advice on how to build lasting relationships to support your magic business. Jason is a mentalist based ...
Magic Appetizer: Dean Jackson’s 9 Word Email
04 May 2023
Contributed by Lukas
Jonah offers up the world’s shortest but most effective business tip towards booking a client. There is a very famous email in the world of mark...
Cheat, Sleights, and the Magic Circle with Laura London
27 Apr 2023
Contributed by Lukas
Laura London is a legend in the magic community. She’s been on Penn & Teller’s Fool Us and The Next Great Magician. She’s had her own show, ...
Magic Appetizer: Three Ways To Use AI In Your Magic Business
20 Apr 2023
Contributed by Lukas
Jonah dives into artificial intelligence and how it can potentially help you out with your magic business. In this magician’s appetizer he’ll touc...
Creating Magic With Content with Todd Robbins
13 Apr 2023
Contributed by Lukas
This week Jonah is joined by sideshow and magic legend Todd Robbins. Todd has had an action packed career that has sent him around the the last of the...
Unlocking Your Magic Creativity with Kim Andersen
06 Apr 2023
Contributed by Lukas
Jonah connects with Kim Andersen, a comedy magician from Denmark who has created some unforgettable magic products. In this conversation he’ll s...
Never Before Seen Magic with Tobias Dostal
30 Mar 2023
Contributed by Lukas
This week Jonah connects with magic inventor and creative genius Tobias Dostal. Tobias is creating stuff that is not unlike anything you have ever see...
Magic Appetizer: Touring, Conventions, and Growing Your Business
23 Mar 2023
Contributed by Lukas
Jonah is back with all new episodes of Discourse in Magic! After taking time off after the busy holiday season, Jonah has been busy touring and attend...
Magic for the Crowd with Siegfried & Joy
17 Nov 2022
Contributed by Lukas
Jonah is joined by Siegfried & Joy. This duo from Germany has been taking the world by storm with their silly and engaging TikTok videos, an hilar...
How We Got On Fool Us
10 Nov 2022
Contributed by Lukas
Jonah and Ben answer all your questions about how they got their appearance on Penn and Teller’s Fool Us, and how you can get yours too. How Did We ...
Fool Us, Starring Jonah Babins and Ben Train!
03 Nov 2022
Contributed by Lukas
This week Jonah wants you to do one thing, which is to watch him and Ben Train perform on Pen & Teller’s Fool Us which airs for the first ti...
Aiming Higher with Mortenn Christiansen
27 Oct 2022
Contributed by Lukas
Mortenn Christiansen is a Danish magician who recently won first place at FISM 2022 for comedy. He shares with Jonah his story about growing up withou...
Magic Appetizer: How To Get Extra Leads
13 Oct 2022
Contributed by Lukas
Jonah shares with you his secrets on how to get an extra 50 to 250 leads in Q4, the busiest time for a magician. The information in this episode comes...
Creating to Problem Solve with Franco Pascali
06 Oct 2022
Contributed by Lukas
This week Jonah connects with cardistry legend Franco Pascali. Franco is an amazing magician, thinker, and creator and he’ll share his secrets o...
Magic Appetizer: Past, Present, and Your Future
29 Sep 2022
Contributed by Lukas
Jonah is back with an update on all the places he’s been since the last podcast update and brings with him some tips for you as magicians enter ...
Becoming a Magic Consultant with Blake Vogt
07 Jul 2022
Contributed by Lukas
Jonah connects with magic consultant Blake Vogt. Together they walk through how to be creative, how to work with a team, and Blake shares some incredi...
Seeking Magic Inspiration with Kevin Li
30 Jun 2022
Contributed by Lukas
This week Jonah connects with Kevin Li. Kevin is a two-time contestant on Fool Us, and a prolific social media magician who expanded his business into...
Curiosity, Collections, & Community with Mark Desouza
26 May 2022
Contributed by Lukas
This week Jonah connects with Mark Desouza. Mark might be one of the most well connected magicians around with a deep curiosity of the art of magic an...
Magic Appetizer: How to Test New Material
06 May 2022
Contributed by Lukas
This week Jonah breaks down the three biggest mistakes that magicians make when they’re testing our new material for their shows. If you’r...
Making Movie Magic with Kate Tsang
28 Apr 2022
Contributed by Lukas
This week Jonah connects with movie writer & director Kate Tsang to talk about her latest movie, Marvelous and the Black Hole. Marvelous and the B...
Building A Magic Community with Benjamin Barnes
21 Apr 2022
Contributed by Lukas
This week Jonah speaks with Benjamin Barnes about the unique Chicago magic scene and what to look for when you want to build your own magic community....
Your Promo Video
14 Apr 2022
Contributed by Lukas
This week Jonah offers up three tips to consider when making your promo video. Your promo video is the most valuable asset that you have to get yourse...
Magic Minded Thinking with Jonathan Bayme
07 Apr 2022
Contributed by Lukas
This week Jonah is joined by Jonathan Bayme, CEO of theory11, to talk about his work applying magic minded thinking to his business and the products h...
I’m Back!
31 Mar 2022
Contributed by Lukas
Jonah returns with all new interviews and discussions coming your way. Looking Back It’s been almost two years since the pandemic and what a journey...
Building Stronger Magic with Bizzaro
24 Feb 2022
Contributed by Lukas
This week Jonah is joined by prolific magician and prop maker, Bizzaro. Bizzaro has been a staple in the magic world, both as a performer and as a pro...
Giving Value to your Online Magic with Bao Hoang
11 Feb 2022
Contributed by Lukas
This with Jonah connects with Bao Hoang to discuss how he’s grown as an online magician and his success in creating and selling unique collectible c...
Magic Appetizer: Software For Your Team
03 Feb 2022
Contributed by Lukas
This week Jonah offers up his suggestions for the best software you can use to maximize your team’s potential. If you have a growing magic bus...
How to Get Over Your Fear of Performing with Ben Train
27 Jan 2022
Contributed by Lukas
Ben Train pops in to offer some important tips to help you overcome any fear you may have surrounding performing the magic tricks that you’ve be...
[LIVE Workshop] Double Your Magic Business
22 Jan 2022
Contributed by Lukas
This week Jonah shares with you a sample of his workshop where he helps magicians grow their business and double their earnings. In this episode Jonah...
Approaching Magic With Innovation With David Regal
13 Jan 2022
Contributed by Lukas
This week Jonah connects with David Regal to discuss writing magic for television and the innovative ways that David approaches magic. David’s trick...
New Year, New Podcast
06 Jan 2022
Contributed by Lukas
Jonah welcomes you to the new year and new plans for Discourse in Magic in 2022. Whether you are using your magic to perform full-time, are just wanti...
Happy Holidays from Discourse in Magic
23 Dec 2021
Contributed by Lukas
This week Jonah has a very short message for you going into the final week of the holiday season. Three simple things that can’t go unsaid before th...
Transitioning To Stage Magic with John Graham
16 Dec 2021
Contributed by Lukas
This week Jonah connects with John Graham who has just released his new book, “Stage by Stage”, which is all about transitioning to stage ...
Magic Appetizer: The Best Magic Business Tool You Already Own
09 Dec 2021
Contributed by Lukas
This week Jonah reveals to you what the best tool you can use to help grow your magic business. And it’s something you already own… Th...
Magic Appetizer: Top 3 Magic Theory Books
02 Dec 2021
Contributed by Lukas
This week Jonah shares with you his top three picks for magic theory books that will make the biggest impact on your magic. The reason why this podcas...
Magic Appetizer: Grow Your Magic Business From Five To Six Figures
25 Nov 2021
Contributed by Lukas
This week Jonah shares with you three tips on how to transform your five figure magic hustle into a six figure magic career. Twelve months ago, Jonah ...
Preparing For Your Magic Comeback with Ben Train
18 Nov 2021
Contributed by Lukas
This week Ben Train fills in for Jonah and offers up some tips on what he is doing to overcome his fear of returning to the stage after so much time a...
Magic Appetizer: Unconventional.fun 5
11 Nov 2021
Contributed by Lukas
Jonah and Ben are back for one more time to talk about the fifth, and final, UnCoventional.fun virtual 8-bit magic convention. They’ve been to a hot...
The History of Magic with Professor Richard Wiseman
04 Nov 2021
Contributed by Lukas
This week Jonah connects with professor Richard Wiseman to discuss co-authoring his book with David Copperfield, debunking supernatural claims, and th...
Magic Appetizer: Getting Gigs
28 Oct 2021
Contributed by Lukas
This week Jonah shares with you three tips to help you get better at booking gigs. Over the course of the last two years Jonah has helped about sixty ...
Teaching Magic Theatre with Jeff McBride
21 Oct 2021
Contributed by Lukas
This week Jonah connects with Jeff McBride to talk all about the theatre of magic, the phases that every magician might go through, and his thoughts o...
Reinventing Your Magic with Giancarlo Bernini
14 Oct 2021
Contributed by Lukas
This week Jonah connects with Giancarlo Bernini to talk all about his journey navigating the pandemic so soon after his major breakout in magic on Foo...
Coin Magic & The Suspension of Disbelief with Tyler Rabbit
07 Oct 2021
Contributed by Lukas
This week Jonah connects with Tyler Rabbit to talk all about his amazing work with coin magic and his thoughts on the suspension of disbelief and the ...
Truth & Deception with Colin McLeod
30 Sep 2021
Contributed by Lukas
This week Jonah connects with Colin McLeod to talk about his return to his live show at the Mirage in Vegas. Together they talk about his journey from...
Magic Appetizer: Yeses, Nos, and Maybes
23 Sep 2021
Contributed by Lukas
This week Jonah has advice to help you succeed during the most important time of the year for a professional magician. This month, and the next three...
The Best Magic Show Of Your Life with Bill Malone
16 Sep 2021
Contributed by Lukas
This week Jonah is thrilled to connect with the legendary Bill Malone. Whether you watched any of his DVDs or saw him on YouTube as a kid, or don̵...