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The Life Scientific: Dean Lomax

15 Jun 2026

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Chapter 1: How did Dean Lomax's childhood passion for fossils shape his career?

0.031 - 3.536 Professor Jim Al-Khalili

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58.25 - 78.823 Professor Jim Al-Khalili

Imagine being told as a teenager that you're not clever enough to make it as a scientist, a paleontologist to be more specific, then proving those voices wrong by discovering some of the largest prehistoric creatures to have ever roamed the seas. No, this isn't some boy-done-good movie plot. It's the true story of today's guest.

78.803 - 86.953 Professor Jim Al-Khalili

Dr Dean Lomax is now one of the world's leading experts on ichthyosaurs, marine reptiles that once ruled our prehistoric seas.

Chapter 2: What challenges did Dean face in pursuing paleontology?

87.513 - 109 Professor Jim Al-Khalili

But his journey has been anything but conventional. Growing up in Doncaster, Dean's thirst to learn everything he could about fossils and dinosaurs somewhat outstripped his academic achievements. He failed his science GCSEs and then his A-levels and was told by teachers to give up on his dreams. But passion has a way of rewriting expectations.

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109.301 - 131.018 Professor Jim Al-Khalili

At the age of 18, Dean sold his beloved childhood Star Wars collection to fund a fossil dig in the United States. Not long after that, a chance discovery led him to publish his first scientific paper when he was just 20. Since then, he's discovered multiple new species, presented TV shows and written books for both adults and kids.

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130.998 - 153.207 Professor Jim Al-Khalili

Proof, if it were needed, that it's worth challenging people who tell you you can't do something. Dean Lomax, welcome to The Life Scientific. It's a great pleasure to be here. So, as a youngster, you had to get past some really disheartening advice from your elders and supposedly betters. Is it true someone actually told you to stop playing with dinosaurs and get a real job? No. That is true.

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153.227 - 154.229 Professor Jim Al-Khalili

A teacher?

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Chapter 3: What pivotal moment led Dean to publish his first scientific paper?

154.35 - 166.612 Dr. Dean Lomax

A teacher, yeah. And it was one of the careers advisors. I remember going into the room kind of like, oh, what do you want to do sort of thing? I said, oh, well, I'm gaining experience collecting fossils and wanted to learn about dinosaurs and things. They said, well, stop that nonsense and go and get a real job.

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167.814 - 175.669 Professor Jim Al-Khalili

Well, it didn't discourage you. Your passion for the subject clearly ran very deep. Do you remember what first sparked your interest?

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176.071 - 194.832 Dr. Dean Lomax

I can't quite put my finger on that one key thing, but as far back as I can remember, I've had that love of natural history, fossils, dinosaurs, kind of watching TV documentaries, movies, things like Jurassic Park, you might imagine, but also like Land Before Time, which probably hit some nostalgia. But also visiting museums and collecting fossils and reading books.

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194.852 - 197.475 Dr. Dean Lomax

So there was this kind of a collective thing that just stayed with me.

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197.996 - 203.462 Professor Jim Al-Khalili

Well, I also mentioned that your particular field of interest is ichthyosaurs. Tell us a bit more about them.

203.628 - 224.657 Dr. Dean Lomax

Ichthyosaurs are a group of ancient marine reptiles. They sort of look a little bit like dolphins or sharks, but they are reptiles. They're often misidentified as swimming dinosaurs, but they were swimming around in the oceans and the seas whilst dinosaurs were walking on land. They appeared roughly 250 million years ago in what's called the Triassic period.

224.637 - 235.584 Dr. Dean Lomax

And then they went extinct around about 90 million years ago in the Cretaceous period. But they were a highly successful group of prehistoric animals. And they're genuinely really fascinating to study.

235.905 - 237.63 Professor Jim Al-Khalili

Were they quite fierce things?

237.65 - 242.241 Dr. Dean Lomax

They were, yeah, to a point. Absolutely, yeah. So they were all predators and some of them...

Chapter 4: How did Dean's journey lead him to discover new ichthyosaur species?

269.886 - 273.249 Professor Jim Al-Khalili

I gather they were very supportive of your fascination with fossils.

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273.909 - 297.256 Dr. Dean Lomax

They were, yeah. My mum and my dad were really supportive. I have an older brother and sister, Scott and Julie. At a point during my, I guess, early teen years, my parents split up. And so I lived in a one-parent household for a number of years where... We'd struggle to pay the rent, but mum always did her best to provide for us. And she made sure that we had a wonderful, wonderful childhood.

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297.677 - 307.092 Professor Jim Al-Khalili

Well, let's talk about your school days, because I mean, some people are going to find it hard to believe, given what you've achieved. But academic life didn't come easy, did it?

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307.072 - 323.596 Dr. Dean Lomax

No, we didn't. No, we didn't. And although I always tried my best in school, I was very, very average. A lot of lessons could end up being disruptive. And sometimes some of the teachers wouldn't be so supportive as well. I mean, one or two of them had even said, you'll never be a paleontologist.

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323.656 - 335.813 Professor Jim Al-Khalili

And that was at about the age of 13 or 14. Well, despite your dedication to fossils, Dean, you didn't get the GCSEs that you wanted, which meant you couldn't take the science subjects at A-level.

336.13 - 354.235 Dr. Dean Lomax

Yeah, and that was a real problem. So at that point, in some respect, my kind of dream of becoming a paleontologist started to fall away from me. But it was kind of the last few weeks in school. And I was put into one of the classes where it was kind of not the naughty children, but basically the children who the school didn't know what to do with. And I had this supply teacher come in.

354.615 - 369.639 Dr. Dean Lomax

I've kept in touch, actually. His name was Mr. Bonacorsi, Renato Bonacorsi. And he was going around the class saying, what do you want to do? And he came to me and I said, I want to be a paleontologist. And he said, well, where's the best place in the world for this? So I said, in America. You know, American Midwest is kind of dinosaur country.

Chapter 5: What is the significance of the Rutland Sea Dragon discovery?

369.659 - 391.958 Dr. Dean Lomax

There's lots of dinosaurs found out there. And so, long story short, I put together with the help of Mr. Bonacorsi a letter and just reached out to a bunch of places in America. And as a result, I was offered a place to go and volunteer at a museum in America, the Wyoming Dinosaur Center, for almost four months. And they did say, we'll put you up in what they had, like an intern volunteer house.

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391.978 - 399.889 Dr. Dean Lomax

But I needed the money to get there. So I ended up selling a bunch of my possessions. And that included my beloved Star Wars collection and other things to fund that trip.

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400.089 - 414.99 Professor Jim Al-Khalili

So in the summer of 2008, you travelled to America as an 18-year-old for a four-month dig with the Wyoming Dinosaur Centre. And when you got to the dig site, right away, on day one, you struck lucky and found something.

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414.97 - 431.588 Dr. Dean Lomax

Yeah, that's exactly it. Yeah. So we were shown kind of a whole load of different dig sites. And they took me to one where they'd been excavating, I think, for about a month or two before I was there. And probably within the space of half an hour, I'd uncovered quite a large bone. And so I had one of the other paleontologists come and take a look at it.

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431.948 - 448.448 Dr. Dean Lomax

And we continued to excavate it over the coming days. And it was a huge femur of a sauropod dinosaur, one of those long-necked, long-tailed dinosaurs, something like a Diplodocus. Yeah. And immediately for me, excuse me, goosebumps now thinking about that. I remember having goosebumps back then and being like, wow, you know, this is incredible.

448.548 - 451.172 Professor Jim Al-Khalili

And it even got some media interest for you, didn't it?

451.332 - 462.548 Dr. Dean Lomax

It did. Yeah. Yeah. So the local Doncaster Free Press covered my journey. And that was my first introduction to kind of public outreach. And they were really supportive. Fantastic.

462.868 - 469.878 Professor Jim Al-Khalili

Well, once you got home from this summer adventure, you started volunteering at a museum in Doncaster.

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Yeah.

Chapter 6: How did Dean's outreach work impact young aspiring scientists?

470.253 - 489.915 Dr. Dean Lomax

Yeah, so as a child, I went to my local museum that was then called Doncaster Museum and Art Gallery. And I went for many, many years. We'd gone on school trips. My mum and dad would take me there. My nana would take me there. And I remember just before going out to Wyoming, I actually went for one last trip walking around there. And they never had...

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489.895 - 505.44 Dr. Dean Lomax

Any fossils on display, except they had a woolly mammoth tooth and a woolly rhino tooth. And I noticed that they'd got them mistakenly identified. And so I actually left a note at the reception saying, hey, you know, your woolly mammoth tooth is actually a woolly rhino tooth, blah, blah, blah, label for it. And they're like, yeah, yeah, sure it is. Anyway, I was right.

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506.061 - 524.431 Dr. Dean Lomax

And I had an email from the curator of archaeology there, a chap called Peter Robinson. He said, oh, your trip to Wyoming sounds fascinating. When you come back, come and meet me. So I did. And then we got talking about maybe some volunteering opportunities. And he just happened to say to me, we actually do have a few fossils in the collection. I said, oh, brilliant.

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524.451 - 545.879 Dr. Dean Lomax

Well, as it turns out, that few fossils was somewhere in the region of about 10,000, Jim. And on my first day, Peter and another chap called Alan, they took me kind of behind the scenes, showed me the fossils. And they showed me this one specimen, and it was about a metre and a half long, that they thought was a replica of an ichthyosaur. Well, just a plaster cast. Yeah, exactly.

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545.899 - 560.951 Dr. Dean Lomax

Yeah, they thought it was a plaster cast of an ichthyosaur. And so I'm staring at it, and I'm thinking... If that's a plaster cast, then it's a very good plaster cast. I said, I'm confident this is real. It even had like a dark mass between its ribs. And I said, oh, maybe that's its stomach contents.

Chapter 7: What innovative findings did Dean reveal about ichthyosaurs?

561.873 - 565.482 Dr. Dean Lomax

Anyway, I was right. And that was a real specimen.

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565.63 - 586.525 Professor Jim Al-Khalili

It is quite remarkable, isn't it? You're nothing more than a teenage enthusiast, right? And you're telling these people at the museum, you have a real fossil here. Incredible. Well, at that point, Dean, you reached out to the experts you'd met at your Wyoming trip for advice on how to write this up as a scientific paper.

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586.707 - 605.111 Dr. Dean Lomax

Yes. So when I was there, I often heard the paleontologists and the students talking about papers and they're like, oh, have you read this paper? Have you seen this paper? Now, I naively thought they meant newspapers. And of course, they meant academic papers. Peer reviewed journals. And I was like, well, I had no idea what that was. And so I mentioned that and said it and everybody laughed.

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605.131 - 608.035 Dr. Dean Lomax

And it was a bit of a bit of a funny thing that I was teased over the summer.

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608.055 - 629.607 Professor Jim Al-Khalili

Yeah. Well, by this point, you must have figured out that a scientific paper is not a newspaper. And this was in fact published in 2010. What did you make of that process? All scientists have to publish their research in journals and that's something we have to do. But you hadn't particularly enjoyed school. So was this sort of academic work more fun for you?

629.587 - 639.916 Dr. Dean Lomax

No, not at all. Initially, it wasn't because I had only been given this kind of crash course of, hey, this is academia. You're writing academic papers and things, putting that trip to Wyoming.

639.936 - 657.672 Dr. Dean Lomax

I happened to be working with two marine reptile experts who work on ichthyosaurs, Professor Judy Massera and Bill Wall, who basically, once I come across this ichthyosaur, they encouraged me to write it up. And they said, look, we'll help as your guide, as it were, to writing this. And I still have those first few drafts. And I mean, they're horrendous.

Chapter 8: What advice does Dean give to those facing doubts in their careers?

657.773 - 668.486 Dr. Dean Lomax

If I look at them now, they're terrible. But yeah, as you say, that was my first paper describing that ichthyosaur as a real specimen with its last meal preserved of fish and squid remains. And it was published in a journal in New York.

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668.887 - 679.221 Professor Jim Al-Khalili

And the cherry on the icing of this remarkable story is that this fossil turned out to be a previously unknown species of ichthyosaur. So a few years later, you actually got to name it.

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679.441 - 691.434 Dr. Dean Lomax

Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. So the fact that it went from... being thought to be a replica, being actively used in the education department, to then becoming the holotype, so the founding specimen of a new species, is quite remarkable.

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691.474 - 711.214 Dr. Dean Lomax

And so I actually teamed up with Professor Judy Massere, who has been such an incredible supporter of my career over the years, and we named it as a new species to science. We called it Ichthyosaurus aninae in honour of the wonderful pioneering paleontologist Mary Anning, who is somebody I'd read so much about as a child, and she was a real hero of mine.

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711.194 - 725.457 Professor Jim Al-Khalili

So there you were, volunteering at the museum, your first publication under your belt, and you decided the next logical step was to write a book. Fossils of the Whitby Coast was published in 2011. How did that happen?

726.044 - 744.3 Dr. Dean Lomax

As a youngster growing up in Doncaster, many of our family trips ended up going to the Yorkshire coastline. And so I'd say, hey, could we go collecting fossils in Whitby? And you'd find ammonites and balamnites, these squid-like creatures. If you were lucky, you'd find ichthyosaur bones and plesiosaur bones and things. And I always struggled trying to identify my finds.

744.461 - 760.71 Dr. Dean Lomax

And so as I got a little bit older, after I'd published my first paper... and started to get a little bit more confidence in my abilities, I said, well, maybe an idea for a book, a field guide to identify fossils from the Whitby coast and happened to find this brilliant publisher who loved the idea. And then this book was published when I was 21.

760.81 - 767.442 Dr. Dean Lomax

And so I'd gone then within the space of a few years of just leaving school to discovering these fossils, being on this dig and then writing a book.

767.422 - 781.781 Professor Jim Al-Khalili

I mean, look, let's take stock then, Dean Lomax, because as you say, you're just 21, already a published author, but with no formal qualifications and still volunteering at the local museum. I mean, you still had to earn a living.

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