David Bronner on Corporate Psychedelics, Mysticism, and the All-One Future

Dr. Bronner’s Cosmic Engagement Officer David Bronner joins Divergent States for a candid, nuts-and-bolts conversation about building an “All One” company culture, pushing for psychedelic policy reform, and rewiring global supply chains to be fair, transparent, and regenerative. We trace the lineage from Rainbow Gatherings to Burning Man, from hemp activism to MAPS, and from commodity brokers to farmer-first vertical integration. Co-host therapist Valerie Beltran helps press on the tradeoffs: regulated access versus decriminalization, mission versus financing, growth versus grassroots.Key pointsThe “All One God Faith” DNA, salary caps (5× lowest vested wage), and why profit is a means, not the mission.Why Dr. Bronner’s backed hemp early, fought DEA roadblocks, and supported MAPS, Oregon’s Measure 110, DC decrim, and church-based access models.Regulated access vs. decriminalization: complementary pathways; cost, community, and safety implications.Purpose-aligned financing: why many mission brands drift, and how the emerging Purpose Pledge aims to solve it.Sourcing as activism: Ghana palm grown in multi-strata agroforestry; olive oil partnerships across Palestinian and Israeli producers; farmer income and soil health as first principles.Regenerative Organic Certification: weaving soil health, animal welfare, and fair labor into one consumer standard.Cultural lineage: Zendo/sanctuary work, AA’s Bill Wilson and LSD, Sacred Plant Alliance, and lessons from the Brotherhood of Eternal Love.Pitfalls and PR landmines: navigating blame and lawsuits in a fast-shifting policy landscape.Longevity over hype: why real soap beats detergents, and the quirky “punk rock soap opera” moment that proved it.Practical integration: moving from unitive states to everyday choices—diet, sourcing, and local service.If this conversation resonated, follow the show on Spotify/Apple, leave a short review, and consider supporting the work on Patreon to keep community-driven media independent.Special thanks to Sandbgz for the music! Follow him on Spotify!00:00 – Intro & Setup02:00 – From Burning Man to the Mic04:35 – Origins & Rainbow Gathering Roots06:25 – The All One God Faith Legacy10:25 – Sourcing as Activism15:20 – Mission Financing & the Purpose Pledge17:35 – Building Roots & Staying Grounded22:30 – Why Risk Psychedelic Advocacy28:30 – Early Activism & the Hemp Wars33:00 – Meeting Rick Doblin at Burning Man37:00 – Decrim, Churches & Community Access39:15 – Pitfalls & Lawsuits40:30 – Choosing Battles & Lessons from Oregon 11042Send us a textDIVERGENTS10Zendo ProjectOur listeners get 10% off the Zendo Project SIT Program with the code DIVERGENTS10 Follow and subscribe! FiresideProject.orgDownload the app or text/call 62-FIRESIDEZendo ProjectOur listeners get 10% off the Zendo Project SIT Program with the code DIVERGENTS10Disclaimer: This post contains affiliate links. If you make a purchase, I may receive a commission at no extra cost to you.Support the showSpecial Thanks to our Macrodosers, Super D and Mycocosm, and our Heroic Doser Lucy on Patreon! Use our code to get 10% off of Zendo Sit Training DIVERGENTS10 https://linktr.ee/3L1T3Mod

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