Rick Doblin Unplugged: Psychedelics, Parenting, Trauma & the Future of MAPS

In this episode of Divergent States, we sit down with Rick Doblin, founder of MAPS (Multidisciplinary Association for Psychedelic Studies), for a raw, unscripted conversation on the future of psychedelic therapy, the dangers of hype, and the deeply personal reasons behind his decades-long mission.We go deep into:Why MDMA was criminalized and how Doblin outmaneuvered the DEAThe hard lessons from MAPS' FDA rejection and what's nextParenting and psychedelics: how both Rick and 3L1T3 approach education with their kidsThe trauma epidemic—why it’s bigger than war, abuse, or addictionHow psychedelics could help shift collective consciousness in an age of collapseBurning Man, the Zendo Project, and building a new kind of communityDoblin shares stories of his first psychedelic trips, his rebellious roots, and his vision for a future where safe, supported altered states are a human right, not a privilege. This isn’t just policy talk, it’s soul talk.👉 If you’re neurodivergent, psychedelic-curious, or just fed up with the way things are—this one’s for you.🧠 Support the show: patreon.com/divergentstates 🎟️ Learn more about Psychedelic Science 2025: maps.org🔬 Psychedelic Science 25 at https://www.psychedelicscience.orgThank you to our Visionary Collaborators on Patreon!  Thank you to Flintwick for the music! Chapters00:00 Introduction to Divergent States and MAPS02:47 Rick Doblin's Journey and the Founding of MAPS10:03 The Messianic Idea and Psychedelics18:54 Psychedelics as Tools for Healing19:00 Educating the Next Generation about Psychedelics25:00 The Role of Psychedelics in Addressing Global Trauma30:09 Psychedelics and the Future of Humanity33:31 Revitalizing Spirituality and Cultural Contexts34:45 Psychedelics and Responsible Use36:11 Modern Rites of Passage through Music37:57 Harm Reduction and Support at Festivals39:19 Psychedelic Science 2025 Conference41:35 Community and Collaboration in Psychedelic Research43:42 Reflections on Policy and Progress45:42 Navigating Politics and Science49:35 Globalizing Access to Psychedelic Therapies52:42 The Importance of Divergent PerspectivesSend us a textDIVERGENTS10Zendo ProjectOur listeners get 10% off the Zendo Project SIT Program with the code DIVERGENTS10 Follow and subscribe! FiresideProject.orgDownload the app or text/call 62-FIRESIDEZendo ProjectOur listeners get 10% off the Zendo Project SIT Program with the code DIVERGENTS10Disclaimer: This post contains affiliate links. If you make a purchase, I may receive a commission at no extra cost to you.Support the showSpecial Thanks to our Macrodosers, Super D and Mycocosm, and our Heroic Doser Lucy on Patreon! Use our code to get 10% off of Zendo Sit Training DIVERGENTS10 https://linktr.ee/3L1T3Mod

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