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Chapter 1: What controversy surrounds the Ashley Klein Origin red card decision?
I think if nothing else, this is a fantastic advertisement for not what's happening in rugby league, but for something that's happened in rugby, which is the 20 minute red card, because it's quite obvious that Caelan Polman didn't try and do this.
If you play him again on it and it's not quite right, then you risk the Scott Barrett happening and he doesn't go to South Africa. And he is such a key component for the All Blacks, let alone the Crusaders. One more of those.
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DSPN, welcome to it ladies and gentlemen. As we preview round 16, the final round of the round robin of Super Rugby. And there's plenty of jeopardy as I'm about to explain. We're also going to tackle Origin. Simultaneously, it was a red card all day, or was the worst decision ever in the history of Origin? Let's debate that.
And connect it to Rugby as well, because it does have implications across both codes, what Ashley Klein did. Before we do all of that, click the subscribe button for us, if you will, please. DSPN YouTube channel. Like, share, do all of that. Tell somebody else about this if you do like the content. And we have an exclusive members-only bit that comes out every Friday. It's called Changing Sheds.
And as a special treat for our Changing Sheds members tomorrow, you're going to get an exclusive look at the final Blues presser before the match against the Chiefs. Jamie at that today. So text DSPN to 35980. All right, let's talk Origin. The greatest comeback in Origin history. Every Queenslander sucking it today. Every Blues fan went to sleep at halftime, I think, here in New Zealand.
But this is the moment. Look at the footage. Now, this is a red card in rugby all day. I know that Ponga, you can say his head hit the head, but you do not get away with this in a game of rugby. You just don't. The no-shoulder... Tackle rule, I think it's been a decade in league or something like that. And so I don't buy into this whole thing about, oh, it's origin and there are separate rules.
But at the same time, I think if I was on the other side of the fence and I was a Queensland supporter, I would be bitching about this from here till they win the series 2-1, which they probably will.
Well, I think, if nothing else, this is a fantastic advertisement for not what's happening in rugby league, but for something that's happened in rugby, which is the 20-minute red card, because it's quite obvious that Caelan Ponga didn't try and do this. And a lot of the feedback after this was that, Yeah, technically what did mean he got sent off, but it kind of ruined the game.
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Chapter 2: How does the 20-minute red card rule benefit rugby league?
You watch Munster do it and you watch Nathan Cleary do it. It's such a weapon, isn't it?
I watched Origin with Monty one year, once. He got really angry and I got very scared. He's so good to watch Origin.
You're absolutely right about the skill level on display and it's what we talked about when we talked last week about the six again rule and how it's obviously changed the way the game's played at the NRL level but because you get the best players on the field at once it becomes far less of a thing and that's why Origin's so great to watch.
it's up so I mean it is test match rugby to me it is as good as watching the best test teams in the world play but I will say one other thing though is that another reason why you've got all the best players in the field is because they've changed the rules and you had guys like Adam Fenua Blake Casey McLean who played a really big part Britton Okoro who debuted for Queensland as well these guys are all and Victor the Inflictor Victor Radley yep you're right
These are guys who've all played for other countries. And it is interesting, given the ongoing chat, big chat in rugby about eligibility rules, that it's actually the biggest rugby league event in the world is the one that felt it necessary to change their eligibility rules first. They're the ones that have bent to this.
I guess from one side of it, it's like they're being progressive and they're being flexible and everything and they just want the best players out there. On the other hand, it does kind of feel like they're making exceptions. that contradict essentially what the entire event is called.
Yeah, that's right. I mean, to me, as old as I am, it's actually meant to be New South Wales versus Queensland for an Australian jersey. It's meant to be a trial match. And if you nullify that hatred, the natural hatred between those two states in Australia, it removes something from it. But again, the argument to that is you're moving with the times and you're getting to see the best parts.
I'll also add... that as the debate goes on about who should have won this game, the bobble try was an actual try. That ball never hit the grass.
And for the TMO or whatever to call it back because he said Capewell was interfered with, if you can shoulder charge a guy like that in a tackle, then two guys competing for the ball like that, there's no way that that was a foul on Capewell leading up to that try. You can't call that a foul. And so there are six points given to New South Wales. Anyway, it all just creates more debate and drama.
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Chapter 3: What are the implications of Scott Barrett's injury for the Crusaders?
Do you keep the momentum up? Do you keep selecting your best players? Or do you just keep them on ice? They've... They've kind of done a bit of both because they've brought Roy Gard back because he probably needs the rugby in order to come into this playoff situation. But then at the same time, they've left Geordie out again. It's a whole new back line, effectively. Yeah, essentially.
And you've got guys like Josh Timu coming in to start. I think that's his debut.
Two debutants in that side.
Yeah, and Callum Harkin, who we predicted would play in the 10 jersey. And then, of course, you've got Geordie Barrett still. I'm guessing he probably would be okay to play, but they're just keeping him on ice there. But yeah, you're right about the loose forwards. Lomax is back.
This is significant.
Yes, so Lomax and Roy Gard are the big names that have come back in. So the tight five, I think, is still very, very strong. Warner Dern's not playing. But of course, they have a good depth there with Hugo Plummer and Isaiah Walker, Leo Witte. And the front row, the Canes seem to just, whatever combination they put out.
But yeah, we've got sort of guys at the opposite ends of the experience spectrum here with Brad Shields, who's captaining the side, starting, and then Cooper Flanders, who's effectively replacing his brother, Devin, and Orisi Polico, who... Is he debuting? Yeah, debuting. So yeah, Shields is carrying about 99.9% of the experience in that loose forward trio.
And the loose forward trio has been banging for the Hurricanes all year. And obviously the importance of those three first choice players is reflected in the fact they're not playing in this game. All right, team, listen up. Financial markets go up and down, but your money doesn't have to follow the same ride.
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Chapter 4: How does Will Jordan's recurring injury affect the All Blacks?
Well, it's the fear factor, isn't it? Everyone else is going, oh, not them again.
However, I would say that obviously they've had a pretty dramatic week. Dramatic last 24 hours anyway, with the news coming out that Rob Penny will be leaving at the end of the year, being replaced by Scott Hanson, which is a bit of a bit of a bonchal news.
Timing wise, I think. But I think Penny knew it. He said that in the press conference. We're going to talk more about this in Changing Sheds, actually, because I've got a few things to say about the way that this has been reported. But look, That news is no surprise to Rob Penny. As he said, he knew.
Well, he was on a one-year contract extension, so the understanding was that this was going to be his last season. However, it's become obvious, and we will talk about this in detail longer, that he probably wanted to stay on a bit longer.
And if he could deliver another title, it would seem a bit strange to be dropping a guy who's just won two consecutive Super Rugby titles, which is two more than most other coaches who've ever coached in Super Rugby.
No Will Jordan, which changes it for the Crusaders again, as we know. And this is a real worry. And we spoke about this earlier in the week, that these calf injuries, they don't go away. And he was out for six weeks. He comes back, he's out for another four to six weeks. The real concern here is can he play for the All Blacks this year?
He's not going to be playing in the first test against France. You can say that now. There's no way he's coming back for that game, which means there's probably a good chance he doesn't play against Italy as well. And whether they even rest him for the whole of July and take him to South Africa because we need him over there.
Because if you play him again on it and it's not quite right, then you risk the Scott Barrett happening and he doesn't go to South Africa. And he is such a key component for the All Blacks, let alone the Crusaders. Then you've got Scott Barrett, the inspiration, who we all expected to come back for this part of the season, who's now out for the rest of the season. So, yeah, there's...
I know that the Crusaders are the experts, Jamie, about shielding themselves from all the peripheral and all the goings-on and that, but within that camp as well, these are major hammer blows for a team, aren't they?
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Chapter 5: What are the stakes for Super Rugby Round 16?
He doesn't return calls, no. No, so. So yeah, to me that all adds up to they knew. The fact that he's taken this, you can go all the way back to the reasoning behind this sabbatical in the first place, the fact that he hasn't gone to Japan, that perhaps this was the plan all along was to see if this condition could heal itself by taking however many months off rugby.
Clearly that hasn't happened and he's had to go in for surgery.
He's also undergone surgery, I didn't realise, for his ankle and everything. So he's actually undergone it.
So that's also another reason, and we talk about sabbaticals a lot, and we talk about players like Artie going up and getting a big chunk of money. A lot of these are done to simply either rest up or to use the time to fix ongoing medical complaints. And so this is one that kind of hasn't really worked out because this clearly hasn't fixed what has happened to Scott Barrett.
Last question on this game, then. Crusaders. Okay, Hurricanes side, minus seven, eight first-choice players, minus the Lucys, locks. You've got a whole new back line except Morby. Roy Gard comes back in. Good enough. I've got the Crusaders in my tipping comp to actually win this game. I think they do.
As much as it pains me to say so, I mean, I look at that team. It's not going to derail the Hurricanes season, I don't think. Well, it's not going to do anything.
I mean, other than potentially like a psychological, the potential psychological effects of this and the fact that if the Crusaders and Hurricanes meet again, the Crusaders can go on knowing, well, you know, we beat a team with Cam Roy God in it.
Exactly.
All right, Chiefs versus Blues then, Saturday night. And the Blues are going to know, obviously, by that time, exactly what they have to do. It's a very strong Chiefs side on paper. And when you look at the two match-ups, and you look player for player, can that blue side player for player beat that Chiefs team? I don't think so.
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Chapter 6: How do the Hurricanes' injuries impact their performance against the Crusaders?
Last year. They've been burnt the last three years because they made it all the way to the final and cooked it. And one more of those and they're officially the Buffalo Bills of Super Rugby Pacific.
How does this points table end? It is Canes, Chiefs, Blues, Crusaders, Brumbies, Reds right now. How does it end after Saturday night? Well, Canes and Chiefs are one and two. I got the Crusaders at three.
Well, obviously the Canes stay there. Yeah, I agree. I agree with your assessment there.
And the Blues stay four because the Brumbies have to win by a hatful, maybe 30-point win, and hope that the Blues lose by 10 or more. There's got to be about a 40-point shift there because the Brumbies... It's possible.
It's a distinct possibility. However, after what Moana managed to pull out last week against the Reds and... the fact that out of, and we've already talked about the emotional impact or psychological impact of both of the games so far. I think this is the one with the most emotion going into it, because this is Moana's last game ever.
And they pulled out a big performance last week in their last home game, should have got a win over the Reds. And if nothing else, they're going to make life pretty hard for the Brumbies, because ever since this news has come out, they have made it hard for their opponents. They haven't got the results yet.
But they haven't been beaten by 40 or 50 points.
Yeah, and I don't think they're going to just roll over and give up. And so I don't think the pieces are going to fall into place for the Brummies the way they need to.
Hey, and we'll leave you with this. Hey, Queensland fans, in your colours too, eat some of that. Eat some of that.
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