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Empire: World History

371. The First British Indians: Last Sikh In Lahore (Ep 3)

24 Jun 2026

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Chapter 1: Who was Bamba Duleep Singh and what makes her significant?

0.638 - 27.458 William Dalrymple

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Chapter 2: How did Bamba navigate her identity in British high society?

90.481 - 108.128 William Dalrymple

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Chapter 3: What challenges did Bamba face in her pursuit of becoming a doctor?

141.258 - 149.935 William Dalrymple

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161.474 - 164.418 Anita Anand

Hello and welcome to Empire with me, Anita Arnand.

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164.659 - 190.215 William Dalrymple

And me, William Drumple. So this is now part three of the four we're going to be doing on the daughters of the last Maharaja of the Punjab. We've met Sophia, now famous from Anita's fantastic book, Unknown Ten Years Ago, now one of the most celebrated figures of British Indian history, it's fair to say, I think. We met last week the far less well-known and far more private Catherine Arnand,

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190.195 - 212.079 William Dalrymple

with her friend living in prussia and fleeing away from england and today anita you are going to introduce us to the one who went home to india to the punjab yeah this week we're going to meet i think she's going to be your favorite bamba the queen you like a difficult woman She sounds pretty stroppy to me.

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Chapter 4: How did Bamba's experiences shape her views on British colonialism?

212.62 - 214.143 William Dalrymple

Yeah, I think you're like a stroppy woman.

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214.243 - 216.387 Anita Anand

Testament to that is this podcast. But look.

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216.828 - 220.154 William Dalrymple

I would say so. I wasn't going to say anything. No, I'll say it for you.

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220.194 - 226.345 Anita Anand

It's okay. Self-styled queen of the Punjab. Bamba Duleep Singh, later Bamba Sutherland.

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226.325 - 229.37 William Dalrymple

I like the fact that she has a good Scottish connection.

Chapter 5: What role did Bamba play in the Indian independence movement?

229.45 - 237.663 William Dalrymple

The Scots and the Punjabis, both good whiskey drinkers, both great dancers. There's a good essay to be written on Scots-Punjabi connections. But anyway, we won't go there quite yet.

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237.883 - 253.648 Anita Anand

Well, this is the episode for you then. Bamba is the eldest of the Duleep Singh sisters. She's born in London in 1869. She dies in Lahore in Pakistan in 1957. 57! Yeah, not that long ago.

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Within living memory.

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Chapter 6: How did Partition impact Bamba's life and her community in Lahore?

255.01 - 256.371 William Dalrymple

Not that long ago at all.

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256.792 - 263.9 Anita Anand

So I should clarify, you know, there are two Bambas in this story. There is Maharani Bamba, her mother, the one who Dilip Singh married.

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263.96 - 265.822 William Dalrymple

Half German, half Ethiopian.

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266.062 - 272.59 Anita Anand

Indeed. And the one who he finds in the Cairo mission. And then there is Princess Bamba, who we're talking about today.

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272.75 - 276.514 William Dalrymple

Who is a beauty, as we discovered last time. She's the most beautiful of the sisters.

276.494 - 283.734 Anita Anand

See, I think she's ferociously beautiful, but she wasn't deemed to be beautiful in her day because she was darker skinned.

Chapter 7: What were Bamba's later years like in Pakistan?

283.894 - 285.579 Anita Anand

I mean, you know, terrible, but true.

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285.719 - 290.031 William Dalrymple

That's still not just then. Today in India, the same prejudice is very much around.

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290.045 - 307.908 Anita Anand

Yeah. I mean, look, the story of Bamba in a nutshell is this is a woman who refused to ever accept what the British did to her father. And eventually she will go and try and reclaim her father's stolen kingdom. Like, honestly, it's very quixotic, though, you know, like a tilting in the wind.

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308.028 - 319.663 Anita Anand

She buys a house five minutes walk from Lahore Fort and she will stay there throughout the rise and the fall of the British in India through partition, through the creation of Pakistan. And that is where she dies. And that is where she is buried.

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Chapter 8: How is Bamba remembered today, and what legacy did she leave behind?

319.643 - 320.183 Anita Anand

Buried.

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320.304 - 326.689 William Dalrymple

It's another fantastic story. And again, quite different from the others. I think you've got to do a new edition of your book, Anita.

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326.709 - 328.371 Anita Anand

Do you think? Three volume.

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328.551 - 330.533 William Dalrymple

Excavate all this new material.

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331.253 - 351.253 Anita Anand

I finished the book that I've been commissioned to write first. It's only five years late. Oh, dear. So Bamba was born on the 29th of September, 1869. And she's born in Knightsbridge and the third child of Maharaja Dilip Singh and Bamba Moola, the mother. after whom she's named.

351.514 - 353.658 William Dalrymple

What does it mean, Bamba? Arabic for pink?

353.678 - 375.977 Anita Anand

Pink, that's right, yeah. Because the reason that Bamba the mother was given the nickname is because she was so shy and so retiring that she blushed whenever she was noticed. And that's why people called her Bamba. But this is a Bamba who's going to spend the whole of her life trying to be noticed and kicking up merry hell. Let me tell you what kind of child she is, okay?

376.017 - 399.072 Anita Anand

So she is, you know, when I told you in the last couple of episodes that the children were constantly under surveillance and you have reports that are being sent to Queen Victoria about how they're getting along because Queen Victoria stepped into the vacuum left by mother and father. And you've got Victor Imperius will become a terrible, incurable gambler. Freddie, obstinate.

399.292 - 421.307 Anita Anand

Catherine, secretive. Princess Bamba described as having the worst temper in the nursery. Noted from the age of three. And, you know, you can understand that as well, Willie, because, you know, the father spends so many months away from his family. When he comes home, he ignores his wife, barely plays with his children.

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