Darius Dale on the Fourth Turning, Fiscal Dominance, and the Case for a Melt-Up

Macro strategist Darius Dale returns to Excess Returns with a deep dive into the seismic shifts shaping markets today. From the implications of the Fourth Turning to the systemic risks of fiscal dominance, Dale shares how he’s helping investors stay on the right side of market risk using quantitative tools and macro insights from 42 Macro. This episode covers everything from inflation, tariffs, and AI to a systematic framework for navigating regime change in real time. Whether you're a retail investor or an institutional pro, this conversation is packed with insights that matter.🔍 In This Episode:The Fourth Turning’s impact on markets and societyWhy inflation, income inequality, and geopolitical turmoil are convergingHow Darius's market regime model (Dr. Mo) systematically adapts to riskWhat the “KISS” model portfolio is—and how it outperforms 60/40Why recession models failed and how Darius sees the economy nowThe overlooked growth shock from policy—not just tariffsHow AI may shift the economic power structure even more dramaticallyWhy he believes the long-term outlook is structurally bullish (despite the chaos)⏱️ Timestamps:00:00 – Opening macro warning and Fourth Turning setup02:44 – Darius on working with Neil Howe and implications of generational shifts04:13 – How the Fourth Turning creates fiscal dominance and financial repression08:21 – Explaining the market regime system and Dr. Mo14:33 – What institutions get wrong and how volatility front-runs momentum17:13 – The origin of 42 Macro and mission to democratize institutional-grade tools18:35 – Case study: When the model turned bullish in April21:23 – Why tariffs don’t derail the model23:41 – Why recession signals failed & how Dale reads the cycle differently30:13 – Why Dale is still pounding the table on U.S. resilience35:11 – Paradigm A → B → C: the evolution of economic policy under pressure43:49 – Will AI fuel an i-shaped economy? Or something better?50:28 – Inside the “KISS” model portfolio and its 25% average annual return🔗 Learn more at 42macro.com📊 Follow Darius Dale on X: @42macroDDale

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