Finding Our Way

71: Finding Our Way Live! (ft John Gleason)

19 Apr 2026

Contributed by Lukas

Design consultant John Gleason returns to explore the leadership skills design needs to claim greater strategic influence. The conversation covers vul...

LIMINAL—3: The Waves within Waves

10 Apr 2026

Contributed by Lukas

Jesse's surfing metaphor opens a conversation about discernment and collective action in the liminal moment. Peter and Jesse explore why not every wav...

69: In a World of AI, What is the Work Really About? (ft. Jorge Arango)

27 Mar 2026

Contributed by Lukas

Information architect and consultant Jorge Arango returns five years later with a pointed question at the center of his practice: when AI can handle t...

68: AI and Design: Fundamentals and The Future (ft. Dan Saffer)

14 Mar 2026

Contributed by Lukas

Show Notes About the episode: Dan Saffer—designer, author, and CMU professor—joins Peter and Jesse to take stock of design education at a moment w...

LIMINAL—2: Liminal Mindset, Skillset, and Leadership

28 Feb 2026

Contributed by Lukas

When the ground is shifting and the destination isn't clear, how do you lead? Peter and Jesse explore the mindset and skills required to navigate the ...

LIMINAL—2: Liminal Mindset, Skillset, and Leadership

28 Feb 2026

Contributed by Lukas

When the ground is shifting and the destination isn't clear, how do you lead? Peter and Jesse explore the mindset and skills required to navigate the ...

Liminal 1: The Liminal Moment

22 Feb 2026

Contributed by Lukas

When the old ways no longer hold and the new hasn't taken shape, you're in a liminal moment. Peter and Jesse explore what it means to lead through tha...

LIMINAL—1: The Liminal Moment

22 Feb 2026

Contributed by Lukas

When the old ways no longer hold and the new hasn't taken shape, you're in a liminal moment. Peter and Jesse explore what it means to lead through tha...

65: Design—Stuck in the Middle with AI (ft. Christina Wodtke)

03 Feb 2026

Contributed by Lukas

Stanford professor Christina Wodtke joins Peter and Jesse in exploring the real contradictions of AI in design and product work: revolutionary prototy...

65: Design—Stuck in the Middle with AI (ft. Christina Wodtke)

03 Feb 2026

Contributed by Lukas

Stanford professor Christina Wodtke joins Peter and Jesse in exploring the real contradictions of AI in design and product work: revolutionary prototy...

64: The State of Design Orgs—Growth Paths, Quality Standards, and Empowerment Gaps

24 Jan 2026

Contributed by Lukas

Peter and Jesse discuss findings from Peter's survey of 750 UX pracitioners on organizational health. Designers feel good about their work but struggl...

64: The State of Design Orgs—Growth Paths, Quality Standards, and Empowerment Gaps

24 Jan 2026

Contributed by Lukas

Peter and Jesse discuss findings from Peter's survey of 750 UX pracitioners on organizational health. Designers feel good about their work but struggl...

63: AI Means Product Needs UX More than Ever (ft. Christian Crumlish)

01 Nov 2025

Contributed by Lukas

Product leader, author, and civic tech veteran Christian Crumlish joins Peter and Jesse to discuss his transition from UX to product management and hi...

63: AI Means Product Needs UX More than Ever (ft. Christian Crumlish)

01 Nov 2025

Contributed by Lukas

Product leader, author, and civic tech veteran Christian Crumlish joins Peter and Jesse to discuss his transition from UX to product management and hi...

62: Design as Differentiator in a World of AI (ft. Andrew Hogan)

14 Sep 2025

Contributed by Lukas

Figma's Head of Insights Andrew Hogan joins Peter and Jesse to explore emerging trends in design practice as AI transforms creative workflows. The con...

62: Design as Differentiator in a World of AI (ft. Andrew Hogan)

14 Sep 2025

Contributed by Lukas

Figma's Head of Insights Andrew Hogan joins Peter and Jesse to explore emerging trends in design practice as AI transforms creative workflows. The con...

61: The Paradoxes of Product Discovery (ft. Teresa Torres)

09 Aug 2025

Contributed by Lukas

Product Discovery coach, teacher, and author Teresa Torres joins Peter and Jesse to explore the messy reality of organizational change and cross-funct...

61: The Paradoxes of Product Discovery (ft. Teresa Torres)

09 Aug 2025

Contributed by Lukas

Product Discovery coach, teacher, and author Teresa Torres joins Peter and Jesse to explore the messy reality of organizational change and cross-funct...

60: Making the World– Design Education and Social Change (ft. Lesley-Ann Noel, PhD)

29 Jun 2025

Contributed by Lukas

Dr. Lesley-Ann Noel, Dean of Design at OCAD, joins Jesse and Peter to discuss her global journey from Trinidad to Toronto, leading design education th...

60: Making the World– Design Education and Social Change (ft. Lesley-Ann Noel, PhD)

29 Jun 2025

Contributed by Lukas

Dr. Lesley-Ann Noel, Dean of Design at OCAD, joins Jesse and Peter to discuss her global journey from Trinidad to Toronto, leading design education th...

59: Design Isn’t Dead, But It’s Seen Better Days (ft. John Gleason)

06 Jun 2025

Contributed by Lukas

Peter and Jesse are joined by design and business consultant John Gleason. Coming up through P&G's famous design initiative, we get his perspectiv...

59: Design Isn’t Dead, But It’s Seen Better Days (ft. John Gleason)

06 Jun 2025

Contributed by Lukas

Peter and Jesse are joined by design and business consultant John Gleason. Coming up through P&G's famous design initiative, we get his perspectiv...

58: AI is a Stress Test for Your UX: What Cracks Will It Show?

02 May 2025

Contributed by Lukas

Jesse and Peter explore how AI is revealing the true value proposition of design teams. They discuss why "whoever controls the prompt controls the pro...

58: AI is a Stress Test for Your UX: What Cracks Will It Show?

02 May 2025

Contributed by Lukas

Jesse and Peter explore how AI is revealing the true value proposition of design teams. They discuss why "whoever controls the prompt controls the pro...

57: On Being a Chief Experience Officer (ft. Amy Lokey)

13 Apr 2025

Contributed by Lukas

Joining Peter and Jesse to talk about what's next for design is Amy Lokey, Chief Experience Officer for the enterprise software platform, ServiceNow. ...

57: On Being a Chief Experience Officer (ft. Amy Lokey)

13 Apr 2025

Contributed by Lukas

Joining Peter and Jesse to talk about what's next for design is Amy Lokey, Chief Experience Officer for the enterprise software platform, ServiceNow. ...

56: Design’s Role in the Evolution of Product Management (ft. Sara Beckman)

23 Mar 2025

Contributed by Lukas

Joining Peter and Jesse to talk about what's next for design is Dr. Sara Beckman, Professor at Berkeley's Haas School of Business and longtime observe...

56: Design’s Role in the Evolution of Product Management (ft. Sara Beckman)

23 Mar 2025

Contributed by Lukas

Joining Peter and Jesse to talk about what's next for design is Dr. Sara Beckman, Professor at Berkeley's Haas School of Business and longtime observe...

55: The Maker Mindset Connecting Product, Design, and Engineering (ft. Todd Wilkens)

08 Mar 2025

Contributed by Lukas

Joining Peter and Jesse to talk about what's next for design is Todd Wilkens, part of our leadership at Adaptive Path years ago, who has gone from des...

55: The Maker Mindset Connecting Product, Design, and Engineering (ft. Todd Wilkens)

08 Mar 2025

Contributed by Lukas

Joining Peter and Jesse to talk about what's next for design is Todd Wilkens, part of our leadership at Adaptive Path years ago, who has gone from des...

54: At the Intersection of Design and Business, Be The Anomaly (ft. Roger Martin)

08 Feb 2025

Contributed by Lukas

Joining Peter and Jesse is business strategist Roger L. Martin, former Dean of the University of Toronto's Rotman School of Management, who advanced t...

54: At the Intersection of Design and Business, Be The Anomaly (ft. Roger Martin)

08 Feb 2025

Contributed by Lukas

Joining Peter and Jesse is business strategist Roger L. Martin, former Dean of the University of Toronto's Rotman School of Management, who advanced t...

53: Leading Design Through Continual Evolution (ft. Peter Skillman)

04 Jan 2025

Contributed by Lukas

Head of Philips Design, Peter Skillman, joins Peter and Jesse to share lessons from Philips' century of design innovation, from light bulbs to the com...

53: Leading Design Through Continual Evolution (ft. Peter Skillman)

04 Jan 2025

Contributed by Lukas

Head of Philips Design, Peter Skillman, joins Peter and Jesse to share lessons from Philips' century of design innovation, from light bulbs to the com...

52: Design at a Crossroads (ft. Audrey Crane)

01 Dec 2024

Contributed by Lukas

Joining Peter and Jesse to talk about what's next for design is veteran Silicon Valley design and product strategy consultant Audrey Crane, who will s...

52: Design at a Crossroads (ft. Audrey Crane)

01 Dec 2024

Contributed by Lukas

Joining Peter and Jesse to talk about what's next for design is veteran Silicon Valley design and product strategy consultant Audrey Crane, who will s...

51: Design-led Innovation in Emerging Markets (ft. Gaurav Mathur)

20 Nov 2024

Contributed by Lukas

On this show, Peter and Jesse are joined by Gaurav Mathur, VP of Design for Indian e-commerce giant Flipkart. He'll share with us his perspective on t...

51: Design-led Innovation in Emerging Markets (ft. Gaurav Mathur)

20 Nov 2024

Contributed by Lukas

On this show, Peter and Jesse are joined by Gaurav Mathur, VP of Design for Indian e-commerce giant Flipkart. He'll share with us his perspective on t...

50: Balancing Design and Business as a Utopian Pragmatist (ft. Leslie Witt)

26 Oct 2024

Contributed by Lukas

Joining us to talk about what's next for digital product design is Leslie Witt, chief product and design officer for mental health care platform Heads...

50: Balancing Design and Business as a Utopian Pragmatist (ft. Leslie Witt)

26 Oct 2024

Contributed by Lukas

Joining us to talk about what's next for digital product design is Leslie Witt, chief product and design officer for mental health care platform Heads...

49: Unraveling Complexity in Product Development (ft. John Cutler)

08 Oct 2024

Contributed by Lukas

Joining Peter and Jesse to talk about what's next for digital product design is John Cutler, veteran product manager and product management consultant...

49: Unraveling Complexity in Product Development (ft. John Cutler)

08 Oct 2024

Contributed by Lukas

Joining Peter and Jesse to talk about what's next for digital product design is John Cutler, veteran product manager and product management consultant...

48: Leading Design from IDEO to In-house (ft. Anne Pascual)

28 Jun 2024

Contributed by Lukas

Anne Pascual, VP and Head of Design for European fashion e-commerce giant Zalando, joins Peter and Jesse to talk about driving innovation in a mature ...

48: Leading Design from IDEO to In-house (ft. Anne Pascual)

28 Jun 2024

Contributed by Lukas

Anne Pascual, VP and Head of Design for European fashion e-commerce giant Zalando, joins Peter and Jesse to talk about driving innovation in a mature ...

47: Seeking Balance (ft. Koji Pereira)

18 May 2024

Contributed by Lukas

Koji Pereira, Chief Design Officer for Brazilian fintech Neon, joins Peter and Jesse to talk about his career journey from Brazil to Silicon Valley an...

47: Seeking Balance (ft. Koji Pereira)

18 May 2024

Contributed by Lukas

Koji Pereira, Chief Design Officer for Brazilian fintech Neon, joins Peter and Jesse to talk about his career journey from Brazil to Silicon Valley an...

46: Leading with Clarity (ft. Vuokko Aro)

05 May 2024

Contributed by Lukas

Vuokko Aro, VP of Design for the UK's popular digital-only bank Monzo, joins Peter and Jesse to talk about shifting your design approach as your compa...

46: Leading with Clarity (ft. Vuokko Aro)

05 May 2024

Contributed by Lukas

Vuokko Aro, VP of Design for the UK's popular digital-only bank Monzo, joins Peter and Jesse to talk about shifting your design approach as your compa...

45: The Phase Shift

24 Apr 2024

Contributed by Lukas

Jesse and Peter grapple with the prevailing discourse around design leadership, the shift occurring from what design has been to what it is becoming, ...

45: The Phase Shift

24 Apr 2024

Contributed by Lukas

Jesse and Peter grapple with the prevailing discourse around design leadership, the shift occurring from what design has been to what it is becoming, ...

44: The Mindful Executive (ft. Christina Goldschmidt)

25 Mar 2024

Contributed by Lukas

Christina Goldschmidt joins Peter and Jesse to reflect on her first 60 days on the job as the newly appointed VP of product design for the music indus...

44: The Mindful Executive (ft. Christina Goldschmidt)

25 Mar 2024

Contributed by Lukas

Christina Goldschmidt joins Peter and Jesse to reflect on her first 60 days on the job as the newly appointed VP of product design for the music indus...

43: Leading Enterprise UX for LEGO Group (ft. Rebecca Nordstrom)

09 Mar 2024

Contributed by Lukas

LEGO's Rebecca Nordstrom leads the team designing the software they use to produce those billions of little bricks. She joins us today to talk about b...

43: Leading Enterprise UX for LEGO Group (ft. Rebecca Nordstrom)

09 Mar 2024

Contributed by Lukas

LEGO's Rebecca Nordstrom leads the team designing the software they use to produce those billions of little bricks. She joins us today to talk about b...

42: Leading From Trust (ft. Cynthia Savard Saucier)

23 Feb 2024

Contributed by Lukas

Peter and Jesse are joined by Cynthia Savard Saucier, co-author of the book Tragic Design and VP of UX for the Canadian e-commerce giant Shopify. We t...

42: Leading From Trust (ft. Cynthia Savard Saucier)

23 Feb 2024

Contributed by Lukas

Peter and Jesse are joined by Cynthia Savard Saucier, co-author of the book Tragic Design and VP of UX for the Canadian e-commerce giant Shopify. We t...

41: Leading Experience Design for the Military (ft. Colt Whittall)

05 Feb 2024

Contributed by Lukas

In this episode, "mission critical" takes on a whole new meaning when you're the Chief Experience Officer for the United States Air Force. The first p...

41: Leading Experience Design for the Military (ft. Colt Whittall)

05 Feb 2024

Contributed by Lukas

In this episode, "mission critical" takes on a whole new meaning when you're the Chief Experience Officer for the United States Air Force. The first p...

40: The Cross-Trained Design Leader (ft. Rajat Shail)

19 Jan 2024

Contributed by Lukas

Hardware design, software design, package design, experience design. Rajat Shail oversees all of it for home automation company Vivint. Rajat joins us...

40: The Cross-Trained Design Leader (ft. Rajat Shail)

19 Jan 2024

Contributed by Lukas

Hardware design, software design, package design, experience design. Rajat Shail oversees all of it for home automation company Vivint. Rajat joins us...

39: Reflections on the State of Design Leadership (Season 3 finale)

31 May 2023

Contributed by Lukas

In this episode, Peter and Jesse reflect on the conversations they had with senior design leaders, the themes that emerged, the challenges facing desi...

39: Reflections on the State of Design Leadership (Season 3 finale)

31 May 2023

Contributed by Lukas

In this episode, Peter and Jesse reflect on the conversations they had with senior design leaders, the themes that emerged, the challenges facing desi...

38: The Craft-led Design Executive (ft. Tim Allen)

12 Apr 2023

Contributed by Lukas

In this episode, Peter and Jesse speak with Tim Allen, Global Head of Design and Research for Instacart, about his craft-forward approach to design le...

38: The Craft-led Design Executive (ft. Tim Allen)

12 Apr 2023

Contributed by Lukas

In this episode, Peter and Jesse speak with Tim Allen, Global Head of Design and Research for Instacart, about his craft-forward approach to design le...

37: From Design Leadership to Product Leadership (ft. Che Douglas)

20 Mar 2023

Contributed by Lukas

In this episode, Peter and Jesse speak with Che Douglas, who has shifted from VP of Design to VP of Product for Booking.com, the world's leading trave...

37: From Design Leadership to Product Leadership (ft. Che Douglas)

20 Mar 2023

Contributed by Lukas

In this episode, Peter and Jesse speak with Che Douglas, who has shifted from VP of Design to VP of Product for Booking.com, the world's leading trave...

36: The Chief Design Officer as Corporate Executive (ft. Jehad Affoneh)

06 Mar 2023

Contributed by Lukas

In this episode, Peter and Jesse speak with Jehad Affoneh, Chief Design Officer of Toast, on topics ranging from the what it means to be an executive,...

36: The Chief Design Officer as Corporate Executive (ft. Jehad Affoneh)

06 Mar 2023

Contributed by Lukas

In this episode, Peter and Jesse speak with Jehad Affoneh, Chief Design Officer of Toast, on topics ranging from the what it means to be an executive,...

35—The Actualized Design Executive (ft. Daniela Jorge)

19 Dec 2022

Contributed by Lukas

In this episode, Peter and Jesse speak with Daniela Jorge, Chief Design Officer at PayPal, about vision, delivering on an end-to-end customer experien...

35—The Actualized Design Executive (ft. Daniela Jorge)

19 Dec 2022

Contributed by Lukas

In this episode, Peter and Jesse speak with Daniela Jorge, Chief Design Officer at PayPal, about vision, delivering on an end-to-end customer experien...

34: Design leadership to support organizational transformation (ft. Rachel Kobetz)

09 Oct 2022

Contributed by Lukas

In this episode, Jesse and Peter speak with Rachel Kobetz, Global Head of Design for Expedia Group, about how at the core of her role is organizationa...

34: Design leadership to support organizational transformation (ft. Rachel Kobetz)

09 Oct 2022

Contributed by Lukas

In this episode, Jesse and Peter speak with Rachel Kobetz, Global Head of Design for Expedia Group, about how at the core of her role is organizationa...

33: Leading Design in a Product World (ft. Greg Petroff)

18 Sep 2022

Contributed by Lukas

In this episode, Jesse and Peter are joined by Greg Petroff, Chief Design Officer at Cisco Secure, and former design executive at GE, ServiceNow, and ...

33: Leading Design in a Product World (ft. Greg Petroff)

18 Sep 2022

Contributed by Lukas

In this episode, Jesse and Peter are joined by Greg Petroff, Chief Design Officer at Cisco Secure, and former design executive at GE, ServiceNow, and ...

32: The Intentional Design Executive (ft. Kaaren Hanson)

05 Sep 2022

Contributed by Lukas

Kaaren Hanson, Chief Design Officer at Chase Bank, joins Peter and Jesse to discuss her approach to being a design executive, including what component...

32: The Intentional Design Executive (ft. Kaaren Hanson)

05 Sep 2022

Contributed by Lukas

Kaaren Hanson, Chief Design Officer at Chase Bank, joins Peter and Jesse to discuss her approach to being a design executive, including what component...

31: Sustaining yourself as a design executive (ft. Katrina Alcorn, GM IBM Design)

25 Aug 2022

Contributed by Lukas

In this episode, Katrina Alcorn, General Manager for IBM Design, joins Peter and Jesse to uncover various aspects of being a design executive, includi...

31: Sustaining yourself as a design executive (ft. Katrina Alcorn, GM IBM Design)

25 Aug 2022

Contributed by Lukas

In this episode, Katrina Alcorn, General Manager for IBM Design, joins Peter and Jesse to uncover various aspects of being a design executive, includi...

30— Mailbag: UX maturity, conflict fatigue, and getting past imposter syndrome

25 May 2022

Contributed by Lukas

(This is our last episode for a couple months. Talk to you in August!) In this episode, Jesse and Peter field questions from listeners, which lead to...

30— Mailbag: UX maturity, conflict fatigue, and getting past imposter syndrome

25 May 2022

Contributed by Lukas

(This is our last episode for a couple months. Talk to you in August!) In this episode, Jesse and Peter field questions from listeners, which lead to...

29: Listening with Intent (ft. Indi Young)

14 May 2022

Contributed by Lukas

In this episode, Jesse and Peter speak with their friend and former colleague Indi Young on the eve of the release of her forthcoming book, Time to Li...

29: Listening with Intent (ft. Indi Young)

14 May 2022

Contributed by Lukas

In this episode, Jesse and Peter speak with their friend and former colleague Indi Young on the eve of the release of her forthcoming book, Time to Li...

28: The Leadership Ceiling (ft. Tim Kieschnick)

29 Apr 2022

Contributed by Lukas

In this episode, Jesse and Peter talk to Tim Kieschnick, who established the UX practice at healthcare giant Kaiser Permanente, and then went on to sp...

28: The Leadership Ceiling (ft. Tim Kieschnick)

29 Apr 2022

Contributed by Lukas

In this episode, Jesse and Peter talk to Tim Kieschnick, who established the UX practice at healthcare giant Kaiser Permanente, and then went on to sp...

27: Choose Yourself—Making up your career path as you go (ft. Abby Covert)

20 Mar 2022

Contributed by Lukas

In which Peter and Jesse are joined by information architect and author Abby Covert, who shares her story of moving from independent consultant, to Et...

27: Choose Yourself—Making up your career path as you go (ft. Abby Covert)

20 Mar 2022

Contributed by Lukas

In which Peter and Jesse are joined by information architect and author Abby Covert, who shares her story of moving from independent consultant, to Et...

26: Chief Design Officers and Design Executive Effectiveness (ft. Gordon Ching)

12 Mar 2022

Contributed by Lukas

In which Peter and Jesse chat with Gordon Ching about the emerging role of the Chief Design Officer, design executive effectiveness, the power of bran...

26: Chief Design Officers and Design Executive Effectiveness (ft. Gordon Ching)

12 Mar 2022

Contributed by Lukas

In which Peter and Jesse chat with Gordon Ching about the emerging role of the Chief Design Officer, design executive effectiveness, the power of bran...

25—The Reckoning

22 Jan 2021

Contributed by Lukas

In which Peter and Jesse take stock of emerging themes from prior conversations, trying to make sense of the crucial challenges of design and design l...

24: Delving into digital design—craft, teaching, lessons from architecture, standards and certification (ft. Jorge Arango)

05 Jan 2021

Contributed by Lukas

In which Peter and Jesse chat with Jorge Arango about the state of digital design, his background in architecture, teaching the next generation of des...

23–Make UX truly human-centered by addressing trauma, power, and other necessary and uncomfortable realities (ft. Vivianne Castillo)

10 Dec 2020

Contributed by Lukas

In which Peter and Jesse speak with UX researcher, educator, and humanity advocate Vivianne Castillo about what it takes to be truly human-centered, t...

22: “Right problem, right solution, done right”—The Vanguard of User Research (ft. Jen Cardello)

17 Nov 2020

Contributed by Lukas

In which Peter and Jesse talk to Jen Cardello, head of UX Research at Fidelity Investments, about her team's uncommon organization structure (within a...

21—Creativity, banishing inner critics, impostor syndrome, and systemic racism (ft Denise Jacobs)

05 Nov 2020

Contributed by Lukas

In which Peter and Jesse talk to creativity consultant and author (and former front-end developer!) Denise Jacobs about just what is creativity, how t...

20—The business model is the new grid, and other mindbombs (ft. Erika Hall)

27 Oct 2020

Contributed by Lukas

In which Peter and Jesse talk to strategic design and research consultant Erika Hall of Mule Design, learn about how "the business model is the new gr...

19 – Growth mindsets, vulnerability, sociopathy, totalitarianism… that escalated quickly (ft. Billie Mandel)

20 Oct 2020

Contributed by Lukas

In which Peter and Jesse speak with Billie Mandel, design leader, team coach, and UX educator, and we somehow get from team dynamics to leadership qua...

18: How Agile and Scrum ruined product management, and other things (ft. Melissa Perri)

08 Oct 2020

Contributed by Lukas

Product management consultant and educator Melissa Perri joins Peter and Jesse to talk about the view of design from the product management side of th...

17 – Design leadership lessons from bicycling (ft. Sally Carson)

29 Sep 2020

Contributed by Lukas

In which Peter and Jesse talk to Sally Carson, Head of Product Design at Duo Security (now part of Cisco), about her journey, from bike messenger to m...

17 – Design leadership lessons from bicycling (ft. Sally Carson)

29 Sep 2020

Contributed by Lukas

In which Peter and Jesse talk to Sally Carson, Head of Product Design at Duo Security (now part of Cisco), about her journey, from bike messenger to m...

16 – How can a designer grow in their career without becoming a manager? (and more)

15 Sep 2020

Contributed by Lukas

Jesse and Peter return from their hiatus and dig into a few emerging trends we've seen in product design teams, including (00:25) the rise of the seni...

16 – How can a designer grow in their career without becoming a manager? (and more)

15 Sep 2020

Contributed by Lukas

Jesse and Peter return from their hiatus and dig into a few emerging trends we've seen in product design teams, including (00:25) the rise of the seni...