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Chapter 1: What other sporting events is Thomas Frank attending this summer?
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Listen on BBC Sounds. Hello there, welcome to the Football Daily podcast coming to you today from Bubby's Diner in downtown New York City. We've got a fascinating chat with the former Brentford and Spurs manager Thomas Frank on the way from our daily programme, which is Breakfast in America, which is live on Five Live and BBC Sounds every weekday from 1 until 3pm.
Former Scotland striker Chris Boyd and the Athletics' Adam Crafton were also with us. Delighted to say that we've got the former Brentford and Spurs manager Thomas Frank with us. Now, Thomas, I know you're a manager, and perhaps we will get into this, who takes on a lot from other sports, but I hear the World Cup won't be the only big tournament you'll be taking in this summer.
You're going to be at the Tour de France as well.
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Chapter 2: How do you manage megastars in international football?
Yeah, that's a little different. I always found that very interesting since, you know, just following what I was growing up and now I had the opportunity to come down and watch it up closely. So I'm looking forward to that.
Are you studying as well? Is there anything from a coaching perspective that you'll be thinking about even in an individual sport or just for fun?
No, you know, unfortunately, the way my brain works, it will always study a tiny bit in terms of see if there is anything that could give me an edge, either, you know, as a leader or the structure or how you build the team because it's individual sport, but still as a team.
What about at this World Cup then? What are you most looking forward to kind of getting into and experiencing?
I think first and foremost, I think the first round has been, in the group stages, has been amazing in many aspects. I think we've already got some fantastic stories. The top dogs, the big players, they have definitely entered the tournament, so really, really happy with that. in every aspect. I must say I love that Messi scored a hat-trick in the first game. I think that's incredible.
It's not, you know, with a fantastic finisher outside the box and then, you know, a tap in over it, you know, the second goal and the third goal is just a signature finish.
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Chapter 3: Are top players in peak condition for the World Cup?
OK, I think that's a really interesting launching pad for us then for this hour is the idea, Thomas, of how, as a coach, you find a way to get the best out of a megastar, an individual megastar, without impacting the team environment. Because hasn't it been interesting to see Messi absolutely fly into the tournament, Erling Haaland, Harry Kane, less so Cristiano Ronaldo.
So, you know, and Mbappe as well. John McGinn. John McGinn, of course, Chris.
I thought he was good, by the way, John McGinn. Yeah.
Just been saying, everybody needs a John McGinn, Thomas, don't they?
I agree. By the way, I think John McGinn is a fantastic player. I think he's been really, really good for Villa over many seasons. And it seems like, can you get something better? But every single time he's out of your team, you miss him. I think that's a good, healthy sign.
So let's talk about the megastars then, including John McGinn, Chris.
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Chapter 4: What is the 'no bad eggs' policy in team management?
I'm not forgetting John McGinn. How do you do that then? Because obviously the team is everything, and yet you want your individual stars to shine.
Yeah, I think it's, I think of course it's a challenge, because I think you always want your team to play in a specific way, but you also know that some of the megastars, and I think that's the big thing, when they add value to the team in terms of goals or the decisive actions on the pitch, they're crucial to be there, and by the way, I haven't
I don't think there's one megastar that don't want to win. So they all know that they need to do a certain amount of work. And actually, if you looked at Messi in the first game, he was pressing and running like I haven't seen him for a while. I think Harry Kane is clearly, compared to the Euros two years ago, that he's fit and he's coming into a fantastic place.
And I think that's very, very important to be aware of that, because if you're not fit and you're struggling with injury, it's difficult to perform. So he is in a fantastic place. Also the way he pressed and the way he was all over the pitch I think is interesting as well.
So I think it's about making sure you have the structure right offensively and defensively for the team and then know and everyone knows if you get the top players to shine then there's a bigger chance for the team to have success.
Hi, Thomas, it's Adam here. I was really struck, as you just said there, about how lean Harry Kane looked yesterday.
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Chapter 5: What makes a successful international squad?
I mean, particularly if I think back to some of those other tournaments over the last few years, he's looked, he's never been overweight or anything like that, but just a bit heavier. And I'm just curious, from a coach's point of view, at the end of a long season, What kind of physical shape do these top players now actually tend to be in?
Or do they almost need almost like a mini pre-season before the tournament during these training camps before an international tournament? Because a lot of these big players have played so many games, but on the basis of this first round of games, they look so fit.
I think it's always individual-based. So, for example, a player like Declan Rice is a physical monster. He seems like he can just keep going. He's in his best age. You know, he is playing with high intensity through almost 60 games, and he seems to be robust. That's one thing, but even him,
need to get a little downtime to refresh, to be ready to go again over the next six, seven weeks, hopefully eight games for England. And then there's Harry Kane, that's a little bit older, still a very good, how can you say, physical player, but not the same as Declan Rice. But you can see now he's coming in here and he's completely top fit.
And every single time a player's top fit is just easier.
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Chapter 6: What improvements does England need after their opening game?
to perform in that sense. So some players, depending on where they are at the end of the season, need to, like a mini pre-season, other players, we need to get them down and then get them ready to go again. And then I think there will be minimal training throughout the season, throughout the tournament.
I know you're very much into what I'm going to call the All Blacks philosophy of no bad eggs at this time on Five Live. Do you want me to leave?
It might have a slightly different name. Yeah, you need to say the right phrase. Can I say that on Five Live or not? No. No? You know, after 10 years in England, I'm being too polite. So, okay, fan of...
After the watershed, maybe. I mean, I think No Bad Eggs does sum it up.
But I think it sort of leans into the discussion as well, Thomas, around the way that... Like, if you were managing internationally, and I'm really interested to know in general if it's something that potentially appeals to you in the round anyway, but the way that you put a squad together and the way that England have put this squad together, there's clearly a lot of thought that's going into personality and international management.
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Chapter 7: How should hydration breaks be managed during games?
Yeah, no doubt. I think no matter if it's England or France or Denmark, I know Denmark is not there, but of course I follow them closely as well. No matter what nation it is, the way you select a squad, I think, is so crucial if you want success in a tournament. Because if you have, we all know, for all of us, it's the ego that gets in the way.
But if you have too many egos in a squat and they don't understand their role, you know, maybe they say they understand, but they don't actually understand with their behaviors. And six, seven weeks is a long time in a camp. You get absolutely zero minutes and you need to train hard when all the other guys are relaxing and you're doing the same thing. small-sided games and passing drills.
No matter how good the coaches are to be creative, it's a lot of the same. So I think if you look at England, I think Thomas Tuchel has made some brave choices. I don't know enough of the England personalities that's been left out or not, so I don't want to go into that debate. Maybe know more about that. But I think there is something in you need players in their best position.
And I think it's a privilege that England have six number 10s that are, you know, international high level. And he left three of them out because I think actually that is clever because you can only use three.
Chapter 8: What makes international management appealing to Thomas Frank?
Now he got three, three different profiles in Rodgers, Bellingham and Essay. And of course, Palmer and Foden and Gibbs White are the three others he left out. So I think that's important.
Yeah, I think that's a really, really good point because, you know, you speak, especially Foden and Palmer, they would expect to play, you know, and if they're not playing, you know, you're not saying that they're bad eggs, but they're that used to playing and they'll come to this England squad, I'm playing, I want to be playing and there's nothing wrong with that, but...
when you've got other players ahead of you, and as Thomas says, you're training for the sake of training a lot of the times as well, trying to keep top up your fitness because you're not getting the minutes and the match, it can be difficult for these guys. And that's why I think you've got to say that Thomas Tunkel has been really, really brave because
To leave them out, yes, there would be some questions asked. If England go on and win it, then he's done the right thing. I think round the corner, if England have to get knocked out, there will be questions asked of why you didn't take them because these are the guys that can make a difference.
But he's selected a squad that he feels can help England get to this stage where they can go and win the World Cup because they've been so close in recent years. But it's making that final step to get there. And he's went about it in a different way. I think when you look at the England squad as well, there seems to be a real team spirit this time.
Maybe before, every player in football has got an ego. Maybe the egos were there and they didn't gel together as well as they should have as a team. But looking at it now, I think it's totally different. I think there's a feel-good factor in this team. And there's also, Thomas, I don't know what you think of it, but I think the players are fearful of Thomas.
And I think that has to be a good thing because he's shown it doesn't matter who you are. If you are not performing, you'll be left out.
Yeah, I think a couple of things. I think one thing is it's not always the 23 or 23, 26 best players that make the best squad. Sometimes it's to have the right types that make the best squad. And I agree there is a... It seems like the cohesion in the squad is very good. I also like to say I think that Southgate did a very good job in the last three tournaments.
So we have an England team that now that the whole nation think maybe can go the last step because they've been so close twice. And the last World Cup they lost on quarterfinals in an even game to France. So there is a foundation that hopefully is sharpened. But also some younger players coming in with...
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