We're going to hear from a musician whose music is vibrant, exciting and new — even if it sounds like it could have been found on a scratchy record from the 1920s. His name is Jerron Paxton and he has a new album called Things Done Changed. He brought some of his instruments to the studio when he spoke with Fresh Air's Sam Briger.Learn more about sponsor message choices: podcastchoices.com/adchoicesNPR Privacy Policy
Chapter 1: Who is Jerron Paxton and what is his new album about?
This is Fresh Air. I'm Terry Gross. Today we're going to hear from a musician whose music is vibrant, exciting, and new, even if it sounds like it could have been performed in the 1920s. His name is Jerron Paxton, and he has a new album called Things Done Changed. He brought some of his instruments to the studio when he spoke with Fresh Air's Sam Brigger. Here's Sam with more.
Prior to his new album, Jerron Paxton has been entertaining audiences with his take on music that's mostly 100 years old or older. Some of the music dates back to the Civil War. He plays folk music, blues, hot jazz, ragtime, and fiddle and banjo tunes, among others. He's released several albums, but this new album, Things Done Changed, is his first where all the tracks were written by him.
Songs that are deeply rooted to music of the 20s and 30s and older, but reflects Paxton's contemporary feelings and observations about things like love, lost and found, gentrification, and finding yourself far from home. Paxton was generous enough to bring some of the instruments he plays to the studio today. If he had brought all the instruments he plays, he would have had to rent a van.
Guitar, fiddle, piano, harmonica, banjo, and the bones is not even a complete list. Paxton, who is 35, grew up in Los Angeles near Watts and has called himself a throwback in a family of throwbacks. He now lives in New York. Let's hear the title track from the new album. This is Things Done Changed.
Chapter 2: What instruments does Jerron Paxton play?
And it's sad, baby, and it hurt me to my heart. Together so long, now we got to get apart. Some things have changed between you and me. Seems just like time can't be like they used to be. what it's all about. Have I pulled up? Have it done? Fizzle out. Oh, thank change between you and me. Seem like time can't be like they used to. Smiling faces sure could always be found.
And I seem like your smile don't want me around. Seems like there ain't a change between you and me. Seems just like time can't be like they used to be.
That's the song Things Done Changed from the new album by Jerron Paxson of the same name. Jerron Paxson, welcome so much to Fresh Air.
It's good to be here.
So, as I said, you've released a few albums before, but this is your first album of your own compositions. Have you been writing all along but just recently decided to release these songs?
Yeah, songwriting is a funny part of the life of a folk musician. Most of us folk musicians tend to play our culturally inherited music, which isn't quite the same as doing covers of other people's music, but... You know, you play music that's reflective of your culture. And I've mostly done that. And every once in a while something will inspire me and it'll stick around.
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Chapter 3: What inspires Jerron Paxton's songwriting?
And, you know, I like writing music based on inspiration. More so than anything. So a few of these songs, most of these songs, if not all of these songs, came from a little bit of inspiration and at least a little bit of inspiration and also at least a little bit of pushing the pencil along the page, I think, as Irving Berlin said.
So you wait for inspiration rather than sit down and say, today I have to write a song?
Yes, yes. That's the preferred way of doing things, especially because composition isn't really the thing I'm most interested in. I'm most interested in the learning and studying of good music that moves me and sharing that with other people. And composing tunes of yourself and wondering if they're good is one thing, but...
Playing tunes and performing tunes that you know are good because they have moved you before is a completely different thing. I tend to feel a little bit more confidence in the latter.
Can you talk about how you approach the guitar? Is there a particular guitar player that was very influential to how you play?
Well, I think... My approach to music in general, not just to guitar, but to all the instruments I play, is to get the most out of them I can. That's the guitar, the banjo, the harmonica, all these things.
Everything I like about those instruments, and especially the piano, is that in the style of music I was steeped in and brought up in, which is mostly the world of country blues, there was this magical thing that would happen all where one musician would sit down and create this beautiful world where nothing was missing. You didn't need basses or drums or a second musician or anything.
They just sit down with their fingers and their instruments and their voice and create this world where nothing was missing. So that's the approach I took to all my instruments and especially the guitar because that was the world that I was surrounded by. Just having that access to that real full sound is something I want to maintain.
And I don't know, I think that's probably the biggest contribution, why I remain one of the few soloists out there. There's not too many people who can hold an audience's attention for two one-hour sets with just one person on stage and their instruments. But my audience has never seemed to be disappointed.
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Chapter 4: How does Jerron Paxton approach playing the guitar?
Was there a point in your life when you were like, okay, I figured out how to do this? Do you remember when it started to make sense to you?
Well, I think when I got to the point where it didn't feel like a big mystery, you know, when I got to the point where I figured out I was actually doing it and it wasn't magic, you know, I didn't have to sell my soul to the devil or, you know, spend a... ridiculous amount of money on guitar lessons and buy books and things like that.
When I just sat down and made music for my family and they said, oh, you're starting to sound like that record you sound. Especially, you know, my mom really, she still loves my harmonica playing. And her best bit of encouragement she could give me with my harmonica playing is say, oh, you're sounding like Sonny Terry. You're sounding like little Sonny Terry in the house.
And, you know, when I figured out That it sounded good to other people just as it did to me, you know, I figured I'd have it. I'd go up to folks. I'd go up to my grandma and say, Granny, did it sound good? And, you know, she said, Oh, yeah, baby, that sounds good. And I say, No, really, dude, it sounds good because it sounds good to me, you know.
And what you learn is how to keep out of your own way. And you have to figure out what to stop doing just to allow the music to come out of you. And sometimes it's just as simple as that to get some good music out of yourself.
Geron, you grew up in South Los Angeles near Watts. What was your home like?
Oh, it was a lovely place, I'd say. I was, you know, we didn't have too much money, but I was surrounded by the one thing you couldn't get enough of, which was love, and had a big multi-generational family.
I was in the house with my mother and my grandmother, and for the first few years, it was my grandpa, my uncle, my aunt, so it was, with me, it was six of us in there, and my great-grandmother was across the street, and You know, three of her children were around and, you know, all the cousins would come over at least once a week to visit her.
And, you know, so I grew up around lots of lovely family and, you know, big backyard that 80 percent of the food I grew up eating came out of, you know. until me and Granny made our last little harvest the year she passed away. Yeah, it was a lovely place full of music and family.
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Chapter 5: What is the significance of Jerron Paxton's family background in his music?
who, you know, first heard John Hurt and Scott Dunbar and Bucklewhite and people like that. And I didn't know, you know, I didn't know that there was any, that there were two kind of guitars and things like that. But that just the sonic beauty of those instruments just wrapped me up and took me away.
When did you start playing banjo?
I started playing banjo before I played the guitar. I started playing banjo when I was about, oh, I think about 13 and a half, about 18 months after playing the fiddle and being pretty bad at that in my early days and realizing most of the fiddle I like was surrounded by banjo music.
And you said your grandfather played the banjo?
He played the banjo, the guitar, and the fiddle, so I've heard. But this would be my great-grandfather.
Your great-grandfather.
Yeah, my grandma's daddy, who was born way back in 86. But according to Granny, they had to run off a plantation when she was about six or seven or so years old. and had to leave Joe's instruments behind then, so nobody too much younger than her, which she was the oldest, which, shoot, that includes everybody.
Nobody younger than her really remembers Joe playing any instruments, but she remembers seeing a banjo on the wall and hearing the sounds of it and guitars and fiddles and things like that. I don't know how great a musician he was, but she knows he played them.
Well, you brought a banjo with you today. It's kind of a special banjo. Can you tell us about it?
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Chapter 6: How did Jerron Paxton develop his musical skills?
When you were a kid, did you just spend a lot of time on your own just playing music, like learning how to play, like practicing and practicing?
Oh, yes. Well, I did, and I think I practiced the stuff I'm the most comfortable with, you know, the stuff I could talk over and play for you. I think most of that stuff and stuff in that vein, I learned... Through muscle memory, there's a certain point where you have to sit down and really study.
You've got to be focused for about 45 minutes and figure out all the funny turns and twists as to what you have to do and how to position your hand, all these things that go into being a great musician.
One thing that people tend to overlook that I found the most valuable was after I had done that, I would put on The Simpsons or King of the Hill and for an hour or two, you know, after supper, just rap on my banjo and play the guitar and things like that and watch these programs. And, you know, my folks would say, how are you going to play music and watch TV at the same time? I say, well.
Oh, I got to, you know, if I'm going to get these two things I really enjoy out the way, playing music and watching TV.
You've got to multitask.
Exactly. And it also makes the music become a part of you, you know, because if I get to a point where everything stays groovy while playing, the active listening part of my brain is focused somewhere else. Well, the music is an actual part of me. It's like my heartbeat. It's like my breath. It's something that can just happen without me... Willing it, absolutely.
And when that starts to happen, then you get an opportunity to be real inventive with what's in you.
You know, this music, especially when you were a kid, the Internet wasn't as prevalent everywhere. Like, it's not easy music to find. You have to search it out. So, like, how did you find out more about the music? Did you look for old 78s? Did you go to the library? What did you do?
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Chapter 7: What unique qualities does Jerron Paxton attribute to acoustic instruments?
Let me set this down here.
I hope you're treating that old banjo nicely.
Oh no, not a bit. She's a mud cooker. Let's see.
That's great. That's Jerome Paxton playing a rag by Johnny St. Cyr, who played with Louis Armstrong and Jelly Roll Morton. More after a break. This is Fresh Air. When you were a teenager, you started having trouble with your eyesight. What was happening?
Well, I'd had trouble with my peripheral vision my whole life. But then I had two different eye diseases that started to mess with my central vision. And once that started to happen, the problems with my peripheral vision got to be terrible. pretty unavoidable and, you know, in some places got to be a little bit hazardous, you know.
I don't know if you know, but people from South Central, especially during the day and time I grew up, we didn't move too much. And Los Angeles being a big driving culture, you sure didn't walk any place. You know, I left as an 18-year-old having, I think, maybe walked a mile in my neighborhood and could count the times I did that on one hand.
So, you know, things like curbs were a bit unfamiliar to me. So, you know, imagine a pretty healthy strapping boy just kind of bumbling and falling all over the place. That's what I was up to for a little while.
What's your eyesight like now?
It's about the same. I still have big troubles with my peripheral vision, which stops me from driving. My central vision, I think it's better than what it was, but part of that is the technology has improved. I used to go around New York City with a little small telescope around my neck to see things like, you know, train signs and street signs and things like that now.
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Chapter 8: Can Jerron Paxton demonstrate his banjo playing technique?
I was going to drive trains and things like that. And, you know, I'd probably have done some of the other laboring jobs that most of the folks in my family have done. But when I say not being able to drive is just about the biggest disability I have, it's really true. You know, bumping into things and not being able to recognize people and is inconvenient and things like that.
But the one thing that kind of stopped me from doing exactly what I wanted in the world was not being able to drive. I couldn't be a plumber without a truck. I couldn't be a farmer without a truck. A lot of those jobs aren't available if you can't drive, especially in a place like Los Angeles.
So that's one of the reasons I moved to New York City was a place where not being able to drive wasn't really a disability. And it's one of the reasons I loved this city and stayed here for so long.
Since you were so interested in trains or you were interested in being a train driver as a kid, do you particularly like train songs?
Oh, yeah, I think so. As much as people who like rural music tend to get stereotypes as loving songs about trains and mama, you can't help it, I don't think. But if I find a good train song, I'll sit and listen to it for a good while.
Would you mind playing one that you like particularly?
Oh, well, my favorite is probably the Pullman Passenger Train. which I can't do here. Let's see.
Before you play the harmonica, I just want to say that, like all the instruments you play, you seem to be able to make it sound like you're playing two different parts on the harmonica. So I don't know if you do that in this song, but I just wanted listeners to keep an ear out for that.
Oh, yeah. It's not sounding like I'm playing two different parts.
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