Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
This is Fresh Air. I'm Terry Gross. The day that writer Rachel Eliza Griffith married writer Salman Rushdie was expected to be one of the best, perhaps the best, day of her life.
Chapter 2: What traumatic event overshadowed Rachel Eliza Griffiths' wedding day?
But her dearest friend Aisha, who was set to speak at the wedding, never arrived because she suddenly, shockingly, died. That triggered Griffith's dissociative identity disorder. She'll explain what that means a little later. It was only 11 months after the wedding that Rushdie was stabbed multiple times while being interviewed on stage at the Chautauqua Festival near Buffalo, New York.
Griffiths was home in New York City at the time and had to figure out how to get to her husband, not knowing whether she'd find him still alive, what their future would be, what her future would be. When she got to the ICU, he was hanging on to his life. His face was so disfigured from the wounds, the stab that blinded him, and the swelling that she refused to allow him to look in a mirror.
Griffith's new memoir, The Flower Bearers, covers this period as well as her childhood, which pretty much ended when she was 11 or 12 and her mother was diagnosed with kidney disease. She also writes about her relationship with Aisha and how they initially connected over being black female poets, trying to find their voices as writers and a place in the literary world.
Chapter 3: How did the death of her best friend impact Griffiths' mental health?
Rachel Eliza Griffiths is also the author of the novel Promise and several poetry collections, including Seeing the Body. Rachel Eliza Griffiths, welcome to Fresh Air. I really like your book a lot. Thank you so much, Terri. And I'm going to call you Eliza from here on in because that's how you prefer to be called.
So let's start with your wedding day, which you describe as both the best and worst day of your life. Best because you were getting married to a man you really loved and who loved you too. And worst because of your dearest friend's disappearance and death. How far were you into the wedding when you found out that she was dead?
Chapter 4: What is Dissociative Identity Disorder and how does it affect Griffiths?
I did not find out, and I remember it quite clearly, until just after the formal wedding portraits had been done. And so I was in this wonderful state of having just gotten married and this kind of golden light at the end of a September day. And I started to notice that there just seemed to be a shadow on things. And the people, my loved ones who were there, their voices and manners had changed.
And I'm there in my wedding dress. I've just gotten married and something, this kind of storm or coldness kind of swept over things. And I wanted to go back to my hotel suite. My phone was missing. I wanted to check on my friend to see if she was okay. I'd been told she'd had COVID and that was why she wasn't coming. Later on, of course, Terry, I realized that
My friends and family were just all working really hard to protect myself and my husband and that joy on that day. But the minute I got back to the hotel in an effort to locate my phone, I suddenly was able to see messages that then that's how I learned about what had happened.
You have dissociative identity disorder, and that kind of kicked in on your wedding day. Could you describe what that is, what the disorder is?
Chapter 5: How did Griffiths manage the crisis after Salman Rushdie's stabbing?
So dissociative identity disorder, some people call it DID. It's a kind of new term to describe a diagnosis of severe dissociation. Some people have more severe forms of it. I would put myself on a more kind of highly functional scale here.
DID usually comes into play after experiences of severe childhood trauma, and I have learned and researched and tried to educate myself to help myself live with this diagnosis.
What happened on my wedding day, I think, with my DID is that the level of dissociation that I experienced that day matches the kind of intense trauma and shock that my body went into, which means even now that many parts of my wedding day are are blacked out in my memory and are not available to me.
Every now and then, I might get a glimpse, or if I'm triggered, I will see some aspect of myself or that day. But it's very hard for me even to look at photographs or anything from my wedding day and feel connected to it in the way that I'm sitting here having this conversation with you. And that is also a kind of grief. What does dissociation mean?
This is a kind of word as a writer, I can ask 10 people what it means and they'll all say something different. For me, I feel that it's a part of my mind and my body that attempts to protect and cope in moments where I feel, you know, flight or fight and I'm trying to get away from something that
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Chapter 6: What role did Griffiths play in her husband's recovery after the attack?
often externally or it can be in memory, that might cause me a pain or a kind of mental assault that I will not be able to withstand. And so I've learned to see my dissociative identity disorder as a protector. I've befriended it. I've learned so much about it so that I don't feel like I'm out of control or I don't know what's happening.
But just to be more specific, you actually have alter egos that kick in, like versions of yourself at different ages. Could you just describe that a little bit so we understand a little bit better what you go through?
Absolutely. I mean, I think one of the things I write about is how if you picture maybe, you know, the same version of yourself, you know, in a car and there are different people driving it at different times, but you're all in the same car and you're all the same. So it's connected to me ultimately.
It's just that it kind of is a container or a space that is very explicitly attached to often a memory or a kind of just a state of being is what I would describe it. So there are moments...
And when I'm in my day, for example, I'll think of myself, you know, my altar as an artist is connected to my altar who is a young child and my altar who in my 20s as a young woman struggling to be an artist and becoming, you know, the person I'm still becoming.
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Chapter 7: How did Griffiths' childhood experiences shape her perspective on caregiving?
That's a different set of memories and a different kind of character. But they all kind of visit me. I have a future altar who is a really lovely character. kind of bold, dazzling older woman. And her name is June. And so she helps me not sweat the small stuff. And she has a lot of humor and style and is chic. And she takes care of me.
Let's get back to your wedding day. Did your alters show up that day?
I don't really remember. I have to say, I know there was a moment literally where I felt I was looking down at this woman, who was this gorgeous bride, and the agony and anguish in her body. She was screaming. People were holding her down so she wouldn't hurt herself. And then I just left.
And I think that was all that was available to try to prevent myself from witnessing such pain and to see myself surrounded by such love, but also the pain of it. I will never have closure over that. And that's okay. I can accept that now because I've done so much work to comprehend all the different things that were happening on that day.
I interviewed your husband, Salman Rushdie, after his memoir, Knife, was published. And Knife is about the knife attack on him when he was being interviewed at the Chautauqua Festival in western upstate New York. And in that book, he describes the wedding day briefly, and he describes it as a day of, like, beautiful lights. weather, a day of joy.
He doesn't mention the death of your friend Aisha and the crisis mode that you were in. And I'm wondering if you read the book before publication and what you thought of that omission.
I read different parts of the memoir as Salman was writing it. Salman and I had a discussion about the writing in Knife about the wedding day. And he was very clear that, you know, this was my story to tell as far as what happened on the wedding day. And I think in the arc of Knife...
Having suddenly a detour to describe a very traumatizing wedding day would have changed the lens for the arc of Knife and what Knife was focusing on. You know, unfortunately, to have these two events, for me, happen within months of each other... was something that drove me to write my memoir.
But he and I agreed that I would spend my energy and my attention and my focus on the wedding day because Solman didn't have access to a 17-year friendship and sisterhood with my dear friend. There was so much more dimension and nuance in the day that wouldn't have fit inside the space of knife.
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Chapter 8: What challenges did Griffiths face in expressing her authentic self as a poet?
And so she said, you know, I'm coming over right now. Salman's been hurt. I'll be right there. And I just didn't know what that meant. I thought he was up at Chautauqua doing an event. He's done a lot of events since I've known him, and so I just really didn't understand. But the way her voice sounded, I knew it was really terrible.
And so I kind of sprang up and was running around the house trying to grab clothes, and I fell down the steps and hurt myself really badly, and she showed up, and, you know, the rest of the day became...
became a nightmare and that was how it was just an ordinary morning and that is kind of sometimes the thing that can shock you and that day remains a mark of a different life that opened up immediately for me when you fell down the stairs
Did you feel, like, less competent and less able to hold things together? I mean, falling down the stairs was pretty horrible. But to do that as you really have to rise to the occasion and know what to do, you had to, like, charter a private plane so you could get there as soon as possible. It's like an eight-hour drive. And you had to show up strong. You had to be capable.
Did it shake your confidence when you fell? Yeah.
I think falling down the stairs was one of the best things that could have happened to me. And here's why. When I got up and realized I hadn't broken my neck or broken a bone, I just really was like, that's the last time you fall down. You cannot risk your safety. You cannot be running around with your head off your shoulders. You need to focus now.
It was very clarifying because literally in seconds, I really had no control of my body, my emotions. I was just kind of in free fall. And when I got to the bottom of this flight of stairs, I just thought, Rachel Eliza, stand up, get up, get focused here. You don't have time to fall down the stairs and be a wreck and die.
be crying in a mess like you've got to bear down now and so when I look back at that moment you know in that moment I actually really did feel like hey that's it you're done with falling down you have to go forward and get through this day and you don't know what's coming but you've got to be present in every single moment you've got to pay attention now where you put each foot down and walk and that's what happened you know for me after taking a really really
really violent tumble down the stairs.
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