Before Trees - What Were ‘Prototaxites’?
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Future Proof with Jonathan McRae. Proudly supported by Research Ireland. On Newstalk. Hello and welcome to Future Proof, the podcast. This is the show where we take a closer look at the world around us. I'm Jonathan McRae. Thank you for downloading, subscribing and rating. Coming up on this week's programme, we're going to be talking about proto-taxites. which is a new word to me, so presumably it's a new word to some of you. These are living creatures that existed before dinosaurs and before even trees. They were very interesting, and an Irish researcher has been studying all about them. We'll be hearing about that in a bit. If you'd like to get in touch with the program, you can email us, scienceatnewstalk.com.
We get to all of the comments at the end of the podcast. First up, time to look back at some of the more interesting stories from the world of science this week. We're joined by Dr. Shane Bergen from UCD and associate professor of chemistry at DCU, Susan Keller.
Full title today. I know.
I'm an associate professor as well.
Why don't I get my title?
I don't know.
I think because it's funny.
I don't know. Shane, our first story has to do with something that I would have thought was obvious.
What are prototaxites and why are they significant?
Just thinking about it for four seconds. The problem with mental health diagnosis.
I would have thought this was absolutely understood as well and well established. And what we're talking about here are the diagnostic tools that psychiatrists and psychologists used to diagnose mental health disorders, things like depression, anxiety, bipolar and personality disorder or addiction things, right? So what happens is the first thing is to say there are no biomarkers for any of these. You can't take a blood test And it'll give you some sort of a signal that says, yes, you are bipolar or you have depression or any of those things. Instead, what happens is a professional has to ask you, take you through an interview and ask you a series of questions. And from that, and of course, your responses, they're able to diagnose you with something or not, right?
This is the same way that issues of neurodivergence are dealt with as well. So like issues like autism and so on. But this study is shown from McMaster University in psychiatry done by Lara Duncan. I had to look at it twice. Is this Lara from our show? But it's not. What Lara Duncan has done here is looked at the reliability of a test. So they looked at people who had been tested between 2024 and 2025 and they looked for test and retest reliability. In other words, if I was a psychiatrist and I asked you a series of questions and then you were diagnosed with whatever and Susan came in the next day she's also a psychiatrist and she asked you the questions how reliable would the outcome be and they found that there is a great deal of doubt right that they were not as reliable as perhaps we were led to believe and they used very statistical tools in order to talk about the reliability in question and
I think that's, it's a little shocking that I would have just thought that was the case anyway, because these things are not, there is no objective thing. So I'm going to ask you perhaps, like, how many of the last seven days did you feel sad or anxious? They're very subjective things, right?
They are, but they're not necessarily even subjective to me. But then, of course, there's the act of the observer, right? If the psychiatrist who's asking a question is a man and it's a big room that the person feels uncomfortable in, or it's a woman that they know very well and have been working with for such a long time and they feel very close to, are they going to have the same answers? Of course they're not.
What's interesting to me also is that the response, at least in the media, from the psychiatry profession to it has been to double down and to basically say, this is interesting, but we need much more statistics on what you're talking about. We want to know more about what you're doing rather than sort of think, okay, if we're not getting the reliability that we, you know, we thought that might be there, are we sure this is a valid way of measuring these things?
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