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Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
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Now, if you've ever been to Italy or indeed anywhere on the Mediterranean coast, you'll probably know there is no shortage of evidence of the ancient Roman civilization. They were everywhere. What is less clear about what happened is on those edges, on the frontiers, how they lived and how cultures intertwined with each other as the Roman Empire prevailed.
overlapped with other territories like the Gauls and the Germanic tribes.
Chapter 2: What evidence of ancient Roman civilization exists in modern-day Frankfurt?
Our next guest is going to tell us all about that because he's working on a site just on one of these edges. His name is Frederick Outt. He's a doctoral researcher at Goethe Universitat in Frankfurt. Welcome to the program, Frederick. How are you? I'm fine. Thank you for having me.
Tell me a little bit about this site, Nita, with a bit of context beforehand, maybe, as to what was going on, where it is, and from a geographical point of view, why it's of particular interest when we think about the Roman Empire of sort of the first couple of centuries A.D. ? Yeah, sure. So Nida is what today is part of Frankfurt, the city of Frankfurt.
So we are on the east bank of the Rhine, in the Rhine-Main area. Today is Hessen, the state of Hessen. And this is frontier zone. So the Roman Empire... stretched through large parts of Western Europe, and especially the Rhine area. And Nida lies in the Lemus region, so real frontier zone, not far from the actual Roman border, the Roman frontier to outside of the empire.
And Nida was, in Roman times, what we call a civitas capital. So the Roman world was divided into provinces, The province we are talking about is Upper Germany, Germania Superior. The province capital was Mainz, not that far away from Frankfurt. And the Kivitatis are administrative units within one province. And Nida, the town, the Roman town of Nida, was the capital of such a territory.
Okay, so how many people at its peak are we talking? And it's very close to the Rhine, right? The other side of the Rhine was not the Roman Empire, for the most part. For the most part, yes. So we're talking about, difficult to estimate, but roughly 2,000 or 3,000 inhabitants at its biggest time.
So roughly talking second, late second, early third century, probably 2,000 or 3,000 people living there. And so being in Frankfurt, essentially, this super expensive city to live in that is well built up, how on earth do you go about excavating ancient Roman sites somewhere like that? Yes, that's actually quite the problem. So we only know of the town of Nida in sort of patches.
So there are large building programs, of course. It started in the 50s or 60s. And now these buildings are all getting demolished. Some of them getting demolished to make room for, well, essentially bigger buildings to live in. Because Frankfurt is, I think, the second... most expensive town in Germany to live in.
And each time one of those buildings is being torn down, well, the archaeologists get the chance to look under it. And in this case, we were particularly lucky that those buildings sometimes do not have a basement, so there's still a lot intact to research on.
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Chapter 3: Why is the site of Nida significant in the context of the Roman Empire?
Right, just out of interest, if a building's taken down, do archaeologists always get a first chance to explore before you build on it? Is that sort of a default in Frankfurt because of NIDA? Yeah, well, essentially, yes, yeah. Okay, so this building that was demolished revealed something really unusual, a sanctuary. And there's some very interesting distinguishing parts about this find.
So once the building's gone, what do you do and what did you find in this particular site? So in this case was a large school building being demolished. So fairly large site, we're talking four and a half thousand square meters here. Wow. And, yeah, when the building was turned down, it was pretty clear that there was something under there because we are in the center of the Roman nida.
So, it's fairly obvious that we have to expect some archaeology there. And you would normally find, like, the center of administration there, sort of administration buildings? Is that what you would normally expect to find there? Pretty much, yes. Maybe not an administrative building, but what we call the Forum.
So a bit like the Forum Romanum in Rome itself, which is also the city center of Rome. We would have expected a large open space, maybe with some administrative buildings on it. But yeah, we were pretty much surprised that this was not the case. but a rather large sanctuary. And this sanctuary was site to some really interesting rituals. Tell us exactly what you found on the site.
So, this is still pretty much work in progress, so we do not know about everything which has happened there, but there are some very interesting markers. What's most striking are close to 100 shafts and pits, which have been used for some kind of sacrifice. We're not talking human sacrifice here, there's a different story to that, but we're talking about sacrifices people did to
to trade, quote-unquote, with a deity. So I give you something, and the deity gives something back for me. And those pits have been used to deposit those ritual remains, which belong to the goddess.
So when you say sacrifices, are you talking pigs and goats and calves and that sort of thing, that if a farmer or a wealthy person was able to sacrifice one of these, throw it into a pit, and then ask the god for something, they're more likely to say yes? Mostly, yes. So when Romans sacrificed, or Gallo-Romans in this case, they kind of drew up a contract. Oh, really?
They were very good with their records. They would do the Romans. They would say, whatever the Romans do for us. They were great with note-taking. Yeah, essentially, yes. So it's called Dolewood Days. I do something, you do something. And mostly, yes. So we have tons of animal bones which were thrown into the pits, which are kind of markers of ritual feasting.
So the people, well, cook the goat, the sheep, the pig, whatever. And then part of which they eat themselves and part of which belongs to the gods. Mm-hmm. which then gets thrown into those pits.
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Chapter 4: What archaeological challenges are faced when excavating Roman sites in urban areas?
In this case, it's essentially the size of the whole site and the feature richness of the site. So we see a lot of individual, very interesting things we don't see anywhere else in the region. So the Sanctuary of Nida does have a lot of very distinct things we are interested in because we do not know such features from other sites in, well, essentially the whole of a province or close vicinity.
So we're interested in the whole site. We are not cherry-picking individual features like, for example, this burial, but we are trying to investigate the site as a whole. And this is kind of a unique opportunity because we could excavate it in a manner which is quite complete, let's say.
It must be very exciting being at that site and, you know, and opening it up and seeing things you've never seen before. Really fascinating speaking with you. Thank you so much. Frederick is a doctoral researcher at Goethe University in Frankfurt. Thank you.
Thank you.