S3 | E16-18 | The Debrief with Ryan Wolf & Jacob Saffle
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All right. Welcome back to another episode of The Debrief covering season three, Finding Heidi. I'm Jacob Saffel. We're going to continue to dive into this thing. This week's a fun one because we had a little bit of a finale fake out last week with episode 15, which in the end was simply a pause, really, because we knew some more information was coming and now we haven't. But if you're following along, we're going to be digging into episodes 16 and 18 today. Don't forget we're on YouTube as well. So if you are a visual person, if you want to kind of keep up with us there, you can do that as well as for all subscribers. These videos are going to be available in the War Room for season three as well.
So you can always go there. But yeah, Ryan, how are we doing?
I'm doing very good.
How did the finale fake-out affect the investigation?
Thank you, Jacob. Looking forward to diving into these episodes. It's always nice to kind of refresh my memory of this journey that I went on through this time. So like we were just saying, so much came out through these episodes. So it is interesting to go back through it all.
absolutely man um well without you know anything else let's go ahead and get into it um so with episode 16 man you come off the top of this one and um you know it's kind of that that evergreen frustration that people like yourself have where you do all of this work in an investigation and you and you you uncover what you think you needed to and you lay it at the feet of the people that can do something about it and you kind of have to rely on them you can either do something or not um And you kind of leave that dichotomy out there at the beginning. And unfortunately, at the point that episode 16 begins, nothing had been done. All of this information that you had uncovered in a 15 episode podcast had been given to the authorities and nothing had taken shape at that point.
So obviously, a lot of time has passed since then. But at that moment, kind of walk me through that mentality. Does that discourage you? Does that just light an even bigger fire under you? What does that feel like?
Yeah, I recall that now.
What challenges did Ryan face with the authorities?
And, you know, I think at this time, in terms of the work I'd been doing on my previous seasons, you know, nothing compared to what I felt like I'd revealed in the past. sorry, what I felt like I'd revealed in this moment, which felt like, you know, this was one of the biggest cases in New Zealand history in terms of how well known it is and sort of the mystery surrounding it. And I felt like I'd sort of said, well, Here we have like this makes sense now. You know, we've got this guy saying he saw Heidi. It's corroborated. There's so much here. It to me, it seemed like, well, when I released these episodes, there's no doubt that police journalists are going to be interested in this and we're going to get some traction.
And, you know, I released the episodes and, and partly that's why I released those three episodes sort of at the same time. And I kind of just sort of waited, waited and nothing happened. And, um, I think back to that time now and I feel like it also shows my sort of naivety in the space that I felt like I was just going to do that and then something was going to happen, right? You know, I think about things completely differently now. But yeah, I think it was those two things. And I think the naivety and then the surprise and frustration sort of came through there.
How did James Turner respond to the investigation?
And that's why I added that sort of bit at the beginning there. And what Jacob's referring to is, you know, at the start, I'm sort of like... I'm having a bit of a whinge that nothing's happened. I've put all of this stuff out and nothing's happened. And I'm trying to say to people, look, spread the word and we need to do something to get this out. And in reality, that was, I don't know when I released that, a couple of years ago now, a lot happened from there.
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Chapters
8 chapters
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What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
0:00–1:00
2
How did the finale fake-out affect the investigation?
1:00–2:13
3
What challenges did Ryan face with the authorities?
2:13–3:46
4
How did James Turner respond to the investigation?
3:46–7:30
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What critical information did James Turner reveal?
7:30–9:35
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What relationship dynamics are explored in the Turner family?
9:35–13:13
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How did Carla's perspective change the narrative?
13:13–20:39
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What conclusions can be drawn about the Turners' involvement?
20:39–59:45
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