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Chapter 1: What recent developments are happening with the Vancouver Canucks?
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The Vancouver Golden Eyes select from the University of Wisconsin defenseman KK Harvey.
It's that time of the year. Lots of chatter the teams are calling about Elias Pettersson. I am shocked. Shocked. Well, not that shocked. Got him. Louis Varlin dominates the Red Sox here in the bottom of the ninth inning.
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Chapter 2: How are the Canucks planning to rebuild their roster?
It's a bizarre situation with him and it would take a big gamble to pick up his contract even at a discount because of how long the contract is. But at the same time, the payoff could be huge if a change of scenery reignites something in him. I just want to get through a few things here. Yeah, go ahead, man.
We haven't spoken as much about Besser, who just a year ago looked like he would be signing elsewhere. But you'll remember the Canucks struck out in free agency and came back to Besser's camp with an offer that he signed on July 1st. And here we are today, and the Canucks are apparently looking to move that contract. So why are the Canucks trying to move these players? Well, lots of reasons.
One is that they want to change the culture. And to change the culture, you often have to change the personnel, especially the highest paid personnel. They also want to bring in some new players and give those guys an opportunity, whether those are young players or... High character veterans, they sign in free agency or acquire in trades.
Finally, you have to wonder if at least some of this has to do with saving money. Sure. The Canucks, sounds like they're going to be running a pretty lean operation over the next few years. Sorry to answer, but. I don't think they're going to be going out and spending crazy money in free agency.
Yes, they still need to hit the salary cap floor, but they also need the budget space to go out and acquire new players. Okay. So, the big news yesterday really was that, you know, the Canucks want to keep dismantling. And... They might even be willing to retain salary on Elias Pettersson, which, again, if LeBron is right on this, that's news.
Can we just pause a moment and appreciate what a massive indictment this change, of course, represents? I'm willing to pause and reflect. I really want everyone to stop and think about about what the Sedins and Ryan Johnson must have been thinking about this team over the last few years, even though they worked for the team. They weren't making the decisions.
They've already basically said it without actually saying it, but bad culture, bad leaders, not involved enough in the community, not a team the fans could be proud of. I mean, other than that, things were great. I think they thought, you know, Linus Carlsen made some nice strides. But, you know, other than that, I mean, they probably felt the same as we did about the team. Probably. Yeah.
The proof sometimes is in the pudding, Jason.
Yeah.
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Chapter 3: What insights does Thomas Drance provide about player trades?
It is crazy. Because we're trying to look forward. We're ideas guys now, right? We're trying to figure out how we can help this thing along. I think the previous regime was always convinced that they made the right move with Pedersen, that the contract wasn't an anchor, and that when they entered into these contract negotiations, sorry, trade negotiations and talks with other teams,
It was never about freeing themselves from Pedersen. It was always about what are we going to get back in return and what, you know, how tangible an asset is this for us in a trade? You know what I'm saying? Like, they never viewed it as we need to get rid of this because, in part, I think there was some hubris involved.
Absolutely. Absolutely. They'd have to admit they made a mistake then.
I think the new regime is freed from all of those ties.
Mm-hmm.
And you know what I thought about when you were going through all of these different notes from yesterday was what Shana Goldman said on our show yesterday about Darnell Nurse, talking about his ticket and how the Oilers might have to retain.
And she's like, you know, if you can break down his game into a sort of... And you can compartmentalize the parts of what he's decent at, you could make an argument that his ability to skate and his strength and his reach... He becomes a viable 4-5 defenseman at a reasonable ticket if you retain some of the money.
And I thought, can you apply that same logic to Pedersen with some other teams right now? Like, hey, we know at 11.6... That's a lot to swallow. But at a reduced rate, can you talk yourself into a guy that's probably going to give you 50 to 60 points, is going to play reasonably sound defensive hockey, and might rebound even a little bit more?
I just want to throw something out there. Because if you go on the premise of Pettersson goes to a team and he's the third line center, right? So is that your premise? Maybe a two. Okay. But let's say he's the third line center.
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Chapter 4: Why are the Canucks considering retaining salary on players?
It was at 100. Now it's at 50. I mean, at 50, it was like, yeah, but what if the company is broken, right?
Then you know what it goes down to?
It goes down to zero. That's the next number. It's Homer with the pumpkin stock.
From one Vancouver franchise player to another, we now turn our attention to what happened last night at the PWHL draft. The Vancouver Golden Eyes have a new franchise player. Caroline Harvey, the first overall pick at the 2026 PWHL draft yesterday. The 23-year-old Harvey, widely considered the best player in this draft class, and appropriately she went first overall.
The first defender to be selected number one overall in PWHL history. Now, for a little more analysis on this pick, let's turn our attention to the number two pick taken by Seattle. This is Abby Murphy out of the University of Minnesota, a rival of Caroline Harvey's in NCAA hockey. This is from the Spittin' Chicklets podcast with Ryan Whitney.
Here's Abby Murphy talking about the newest member of the Vancouver Golden Eyes, Caroline Harvey.
Caroline Harvey to me, like I was like, holy, like seeing her skate. I know you guys are both O2s. She's a rival at Wisconsin, but how long have you kind of known her and realized like she has to be the best skating women's player, right?
Yeah, dude, she's insane. I mean, she's on a whole nother level. You know, whoever taught her how to skate's got to get a hell of a lot of other people to learn from them. But just the way she moves and her agility is incredible. I mean, when I watch her like work on the blue line, it's like putting people literally in blenders like back and forth.
It's like they literally cannot keep up with her, but she's so impressive up there, you know, like watching her with the puck. It's like, yep, let her do her thing and something's going to happen out of it. And it's just going to be like, holy, like she just did that. Like her goal against the Swiss. I don't know if you guys saw that.
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Chapter 5: What impact does Elias Pettersson's performance have on trade discussions?
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We have a quick correction to address here on the show. Prior to break, A-Dog referred to Super Nintendo Chalmers' assistant from The Simpsons as Leon. I got it so wrong. It's actually Leopold. All right, you listen up, you little freaks. That was when Principal Skinner got replaced. Keep going. That was the Armin Tanzarian episode, if I'm not mistaken.
He's been in a bunch. The one where Marge was one of the, oh my God, the PTA is disbanded.
Oh yeah, that's right too. Anyway, apologies to all of the Simpsons. Grave error.
I know.
The Simpsons enthusiasts out there. People texted in right away. Very on brand.
I would apologize right now to all the non-Simpsons enthusiasts. They're like, what are they talking about? What the hell is going on right now?
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Chapter 6: How does the PWHL draft influence the Vancouver Golden Eyes?
on assets across the next few years and retaining through basically the end of time, like past the end of this CBA, sorry, past the end of the next CBA, which doesn't kick in until September 15th, limits your ability to do so in real ways, right? Like it's going to limit your ability to do so in real ways. And additionally, Pedersen's contract itself
over the course of the next two to three years, I think is likely to become an appealing trade asset on its own, whether or not he bounces back simply as the logic of cap growth works its way through the system as contracts swell and like their value of contracts swell. And as he gets to a point in 2029, so three years from now, which is, you know, granted a fairly long chunk of time, uh,
where he gets to the point where it's massively cash under cap, right? Where he's only paid 7.8 or whatever in the last three years of the deal. While the contract itself is at 11.6 factor in his signing bonuses, like there's going to be this moment where there's like a $15 million gap between his cap liability and his salary liability. And for teams that may be
sputtering, struggling, unwilling to spend to the upper limit when it's $140 million cap world, right down the line. That could be a very appealing, a super appealing trade asset.
Depending where he is though, man, depending where he is, there's all these people that assume that it can't get worse. It can get worse.
Well, okay. It can, of course, but that, but you're also, I think you need to factor in, That no matter what, once his signing bonus is paid in those last three years, like the first signing bonus or whatever. So he's got two years at 7.8 plus 2 million in salary. Right. But he's taking up $34 million against Catholic.
If I take back like a player with more salary than that, you know, even if it's a shorter term, like there's going to be ways to solve the problem. Right. that are straightforward or more straightforward than retaining, you know, uh, two, a million, 2 million, whatever it is for a really hefty length of time. Right? Like that's scary. That's scary to me.
Now that said, I think the way we should look at this in terms of sort of drawing lines in the sand before a trade, I think it's to say, that in the event that Ryan Johnson and Henrik and Daniel Sedin come to the conclusion that they can't move forward and execute their project with Pedersen on the roster, I think we should probably trust that.
My inclination is going to be to trust that, especially because if there's one thing that I do trust Ryan Johnson and the Twins to do, pretty unequivocally, it's to assess leadership ability and the caliber of various characters. And I'd sort of view it regardless of the details as being akin to when Bill Guerin came into Minnesota and bought out Parise and Suter. Yeah. Right.
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Chapter 7: What are the implications of the Canucks' financial strategies?
I think talent is going to be so scarce in this cap environment that you're going to actually... Also in free agency?
Because you could make the argument that your trade would be get rid of that and then sign a guy, and that's kind of your trade. But there isn't a great crop of free agents.
Well, also, I'm not...
certain how the club's going like a there's not a huge crop of free agents be the competition for those free agents is going to push most of their valuations to you know extraordinary levels see you need to be mindful of the floor still right so and and d i'm not if the club does those sorts of moves having already done those sorts of moves with garland and myers right like i'm going to be worried about whether or not they have the resources to go spend and so you know i like i don't i i
We've arrived at this moment. It's kind of this – I had a little rant about this privately to Patrick Johnston after hearing his hit on a rival program yesterday. Lucky Patrick. Yeah. But you're going to get it now, so lucky you. And it's like if the Canucks are really belt-tightening, and I think evidence is mixed enough that I'm going to wait and see and declare what I think once –
this off-season portion, the silly season, has closed. But if they're really tightening the budget to a significant extent and it's going to affect player personnel spend and they're really battening down the hatches and going to be super disciplined about spending, I think in some ways that's the most Canucks thing ever.
Because if at any point over the last seven years they'd gone into a single off-season at any point and operated with that sort of... We wouldn't be in this spot. They wouldn't be in this spot. And yet now at this moment, at this moment to do so is death. Like at this moment to go into this off season and not spend to go to this off season and be reluctant to take money back. Right. Right.
But you understand, have you come to acceptance yet that you're not going to be able to will this into existence? Like it is not going to happen.
But it's more philosophical that they're not going to do my fund free agent idea.
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