Happy Place
"Why does criticism hurt so much?" Dr Julie on triggers and behaviour patterns
25 May 2026
Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
Hello, I'm Ferna Cotton and this is Happy Place, the show that gets you to trust in yourself more. Today, I'm chatting to Dr. Julie Smith.
The core thing about mental health is you feel so out of control and overwhelmed and distressed. But as soon as you see an avenue for something that you can do, your mind has a guide to follow.
And when I was sort of working with probably young women mostly, who would come along feeling that I was going to fix them in some way or that all the things that life could throw at you, they didn't know how to deal with it or that they didn't believe they could cope.
All that changed between the beginning of therapy and the end of therapy, life was still stressful for them and they still had lots of stuff to face, but they just realised they could trust themselves to do something with it. I hope you're all good. I'm currently sat in my kitchen.
I just went for a big old morning walk because my head was all scrambled. And then do you know what I just did? I got in.
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Chapter 2: Why do affirmations sometimes fail to boost self-worth?
I stood in the kitchen. I was really hot after my walk. So I took, well, I lifted my jumper up over my head without realising I didn't have a T-shirt on underneath. And I've got a bunch of builders stood on the driveway. So any one of them might have just got a quick flash of my bra. Who knows? I'm very red faced and quickly pulled my jumper back down.
So here I am sat slightly mortified, ignoring the builders and cracking on with hopefully delivering you an episode of Happy Place, which is soothing to your soul. I think it really will be. I think we all need it. I don't know about you, but when I was on my walk just now, I went on the walk because I was meant to be doing a Happy Place episode, but one of the guests wasn't very well.
So all plans changed. And I was voice noting lots of my mates about stuff in my life, stuff in their life. And it just seems like everyone's got a hell of a lot of shit going on right now. And that's where good friends really come into play, right? We're all kind of therapising each other on voice note, which I'm so here for. I love my mates. I fucking love them.
Anyway, this episode, if you are having a bit of a mare, will be a tonic, I reckon. I've been looking forward to having psychologist Dr. Julie back on the show for years. We haven't had a catch up in ages.
And I know that you lot have been excited, too, because in the last few years, her social media presence has grown so massively because we are so hungry for her wise words around things like anxiety and confidence. We're going to be talking about accepting both strengths and weaknesses within us all.
Also treating ourselves with self-compassion, much like you treat a child actually, which is a really good way of thinking about it. How to truly ask yourself what you need right now and respond appropriately, something I haven't
a great big problem with because i often don't give myself the thing i need um also this was such an interesting part of the chat why affirmations like i am strong or i am valued might be making you feel worse about yourself that bit is fascinating and also on a more personal note how dr julie coped with fear around her breast cancer diagnosis which she's been very generous sharing
Now, we'll get to Dr. Julie in just a moment. But I was wondering, have you seen the Happy Place Festival news that all of our amazing workshops are now available for ticket holders to book? There are so many incredible sessions you can book into as little extras. There's, for instance, harp sound meditations and guided breath work. And there's seashell painting and face yoga too.
So make sure you head there. to the Happy Place website to book yours now. And obviously there's loads included with your festival ticket already. I have to say, I am particularly looking forward to line dancing in the new area we've got this year, which is called the Happy Hub. Get me in there now. Get your tickets and get your dancing shoes and I will see you there. All right, let's do it.
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Chapter 3: How can childhood experiences shape our responses to criticism?
That's a weakness of mine. That's, you know, not my strength or something that is, you know, a particularly shiny part of my existence. And also these are the places and the times where I've really messed up and it's all right, but it's quite hard to get there. What's been your own sort of journey with having acceptance around the parts of yourself or your life that you don't like?
Yeah, I mean, it's a great question. I think when it comes to the content and making content, I realized that there was a specific moment actually when there was some video that had loads and loads of comments in it. And I was scrolling through the comments and I was skimming past all these lovely, lovely comments. Where's the shitty one?
Yeah, I realized I'm looking for anyone who's not okay with me or what I've said. And it was just this moment of awareness where I had to go... No. And we're done. Yeah. Yeah. No more scanning through comments and stuff like that. And so as a result, I now don't often spend much time in that kind of area or, you know, responding to those kind of things. What is that?
Is that because I've done that many times? I know other people will have and people outside of the public eye will have done that on a level.
Yeah.
Are we going, I need to see if there's some shitty comments here because they've seen through the act or we're looking for the bit that...
where maybe we've given the game away like we've shown the bad part that we didn't want to is that what we're doing yeah and if you have any kind of uh core beliefs around not being enough in any way which which most of us has something along those lines then the fear is someone is going to spot that or something about it and vocalize that you know in the comments or whatever and and and
So you're looking for the person who's going to say the thing that you most want to hide or you most don't want people to say. And then it reconfirms that belief. And so it's so distressing when it happens. And so for me, when it comes to the content stuff, I would deliberately not spend time doing that stuff. But also I kind of had to reassess, why am I doing this?
I'm not doing it for social validation. I'm not doing it to gain friends. I'm doing it to help some people. And I had to keep coming back to that thread of, because it happens all the time, right? You make a video and then, you know, my husband who kind of edits everything will go, oh, do you like this?
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Chapter 4: What personal challenges did Dr. Julie face with her breast cancer diagnosis?
you might kind of use language, for example, to say, I notice I had the experience of, whatever the feelings were, even just through language like that, you're just creating a slight gap between you and the thing.
I am.
I am like fully embodied this thing. I am ashamed. I am angry. Yeah. So it becomes, instead of it being you, it's an experience that's washing over you, which then implicitly implies that this, you know, it's temporary, it's something that's happening, but it will pass. And so you can kind of get that bit of distance, but also just through doing the work of recognizing where did this come from?
Where did this wound come from? Once you have that work in place and you understand, you know, the different patterns that were developed early in life that keep playing out for you, then you kind of can, you can see it all from a bird's eye view. So the The details of it are different every time. So it might be a comment online or a friend or someone shouting something in the street.
But if you can see that every time the cycle is the same, there's some sign of negativity and I'm back to where I was before. And then I have the same coping strategies that I always have, which actually make things worse and blah, blah, blah, blah. And so that cycle is the same every time.
So that formulation, that kind of literally writing things out on a piece of paper in therapy helps you to kind of see it from a bird's eye view. And that's another separation again. And when you become more familiar with that, and you can do things like that through journaling and self-reflection. But what it does is it means that you first look at it in hindsight.
So, oh, that happened last week and I need to go through it. But when you do that enough, you start to notice the cycle when you're in it. So, you know, a comment online and you're feeling the pain and you're noticing the coping strategy, whatever that might be, but you're also remembering the map of the, you know, the formulation of, okay, now I know what I'm doing. I know what I'm doing.
I know where this has come from. And I know that if I, instead of doing this thing that makes it worse, I actually go and meet my needs right now, then things turn out different. And so, you know, that's where the exits start. But it's a whole piece of work. It's not a quick fix.
No, because these habits and I guess those moments where we know we're falling into the same habitual cycle again and again, it's so deeply ingrained. If most of it's set in childhood, which sort of scares the shit out of me, because as a parent, you're a parent, I sometimes worry about my every move. Like, oh my God, that's going to have totally messed them up for adult life.
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Chapter 5: How can awareness of our coping strategies lead to better mental health?
Cool. So, yeah. That's exciting.
And also, I guess your readers, the people that follow your work, they're going to be ready. They've read your first books and now they're like, and what's next? And I think the conversation is still a long way to go if we look at... Talking about therapy, making it more accessible to everybody, the whole conversation. But it feels more in flow maybe than when we first met.
It's one of the reasons your book blew up so massively because it was needed. People needed to have the tips, the tools, and we certainly still do. But it feels like we're ready now. Dr. Julie, tell us.
Take us to the next level. We're here for it. And I think the trouble is, you know, a lot of the like mindset stuff and the kind of things that work fairly quickly is they're really useful in the moment. But without doing that deeper work, they're fairly temporary. So you have to keep work. It's like, I don't know, personal hygiene.
You have to keep putting in the work every day and keep updating and doing more of it. because it's fairly short-lived, the sort of impact of it. So the more sort of longer-term in-depth stuff can make that more sustainable and make it last longer. But it's a bit more kind of exposing and vulnerable. And you've got to be sort of quite brave to go there, I think.
Yeah, brave and definitely disciplined, which no one wants to hear because it sounds so boring. But the – I mean, I've said this on other podcast episodes that I've done, but –
The shift for me, not that I'm by any means like I've nailed it, but like a big positive shift in my life in terms of how I think about myself more so because that was not good before, has been the consistency of going to therapy once a week, which I feel very privileged to do, but also dedicating each day to remembering what the hell I just talked about or any ideas that came from that or moves that could be made because of what I've just discovered or done.
talked about got curious about on that occasion and i think we you know we do live in a world now where we all just want a quick fix in whatever way like i want the shoes i'm going to feel better um i'm going to eat that thing and then i'm going to get a dopamine hit dr julie tell me a tip and then my life will change it's actually it's every bloody day until we die
And no one wants to hear that. It's boring. Yeah. And people talk about the kind of the self and self-care and doing the right things. I think people can get quite sort of, maybe there's a few misconceptions around that, in that self-care is just giving in to your latest whim or what you want right now, not necessarily what you need right now or in the long term.
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Chapter 6: What role does agency play in overcoming feelings of overwhelm?
Yeah. Mental peace. Yeah. Since I last saw you, you've also been through your own personal struggles and you were diagnosed with breast cancer, which you've talked about on your channels because obviously is a great level of connection you can have with your audience who have also been through something similar or had people in their family, their circle, undoubtedly, sadly, who have been through
a similar thing. What did you learn about yourself during that process? Knowing so much about how our minds work and psychology, what did you notice coming up for yourself?
Yeah, that probably tested my preaching and the theoretical approach more than anything. And I'm generally quite a private person and I'm not on socials sharing a lot of my personal life. But the way that it happened was I noticed this lump. I was about six weeks away from handing in the manuscript for Open Web.
Loads of stuff going on, school things, da, da, da, da, you know, all this, you know, polishing everything up. And I actually had the thought, because I had lumps and bumps before that had been tested and I knew it was a stressful experience, but I don't really have the headspace for this right now. Should I wait until I hand the book in before I then go and get this sorted?
Long story short, a few days later, I thought, actually, no, I'll call the GP. And I didn't get through the first day, didn't get an appointment, and then nearly gave up again. But the next day, got an appointment and did it. And it turns out that time was my greatest weapon because we called it really early, which was amazing. And that made me think...
how many other busy people are putting everything else in front of their own health and you know I've read all the books I know what I should be doing and I know what I would advise for other people to do and yet I still had that thought of maybe I'll put my own health on the back burner and um Yeah.
So I kind of shared that it was happening and kind of told everybody to, you know, do the right thing and prioritize your health because if you don't, it will find a way of coming first eventually. Right. An interesting story. So when I got diagnosed, I was a week before handing in the manuscript. And then I was at that stage, I was just polishing off, I was reading through chapters and stuff.
And there was this process, this sort of moment of limbo almost where we're waiting for further test results about and that dictated what the surgery would be and stuff. So I didn't know really anything. how serious this was or what the future held. And so I'm in complete fear. And I just happened to be, I thought I'd just get this book off my desk, get it gone.
And then I can focus on this stuff. And I just happened to be reading through the chapter on when fear shows up. And the whole idea of the book is that when you're in the eye of the storm, It's a sort of letter from me to you to say, okay, if you're here, this is what you need to focus on to get through and out the other side.
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Chapter 7: How can we learn to carry our emotional burdens without being overwhelmed?
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It's a lovely little marketplace. All right. Huge thanks again to Dr. Julie and to you because you are bloody brilliant. Happy Place is researched by me, Fern Cotton. The producer is Anushka Tate at Happy Place Studios with studio engineering by Basil Oxtoby.