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Chapter 1: What is the main topic of the debate in this episode?
Pushkin. Welcome to the studio, Kalila Holt, producer.
Thank you for having me.
You know, I'm not saying that you should, but it would sometimes be nice to be welcomed into the studio myself.
Well, you always just jump right in and start welcoming me. You don't really give me the opportunity. Welcome to the studio, Jonathan.
Oh, gee, I was taken unawares by that. We're here in the studio because we have something a little different. A special treat. Yeah, it's something that was new for both of us, Kalila and I. We were guests on a children's debate podcast.
The show's called Smash Boom Best, and it's a favorite of your son Augie's, if I'm not mistaken.
Yes, very much so, which is how it kind of got onto my radar. I started enjoying listening to it. with him. And the host, Molly Bloom, is kind of a celeb in our household. So I was a little starstruck.
You know, I'm always wary of children's programming because I hate the kind of like over-the-top smiley baby voice.
Too syrupy.
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Chapter 2: What unique perspectives do Jonathan and Kalila bring to the debate?
Hello. Excellent. Excellent. Well, will Ella side with texting or phone calls? Let's see. First, the rules of the game. Every debate consists of four rounds, the declaration of greatness, the micro round, the sneak attack, and the final six.
After each round, our judge, Ella, will award points to the team that impresses her the most, but she'll keep her decisions top secret until the end of the debate. Listeners, we want you to judge too. Mark down your points as you listen. At the end of the show, head to our website, smashboom.org, and vote for whichever team you think won. Okay, Kalila, Ella, and Jonathan, are you ready?
Oh, I'm ready.
I hope so. I'm ready too. Then it's time for the Declaration of Greatness. In this round, our debaters will present a well-crafted, immersive argument in favor of their side. Then they'll each have 30 seconds to rebut their opponent's statements. We flipped a coin, and Jonathan, you're up first. Tell us why we should answer the call of talking on the phone.
What's the sound of being loved? A heartbeat? No, that's just body plumbing. Is it someone saying, I love you? I'd argue actions speak louder than words. Which is why, to me, the sound of being loved is... A phone call. It says, hey, I like hearing your voice. I like the way you laugh, your awkward pauses.
It says I want to spend my precious minutes in real time with you, even if I can't be there in real life. A text just says, shoot, I just remembered you asked me a question yesterday and I'm going to write you back while I finish up on the toilet. Phone calls are efficient. Oh, sure, texters will say a text is quick, to which I say, what are you rushing for? More scrolling to get to?
But also, texts can be slow. How many times have you sent a question, then had to wait for a reply? Like, say you're planning a picnic.
Hey, Chad, where should we meet? Come on, right back.
You could be waiting minutes or hours. You have no idea.
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Chapter 3: How do phone calls and texting compare in terms of efficiency?
Very nice. Okay, Kalila, you have 30 seconds to send Jonathan straight to voicemail, and your 30 seconds starts right now.
Okay, man, I don't know if 30 seconds is going to be enough. First of all, I think that being loved is about, you know, showing the other person that you understand what they want. And sometimes that's not always a phone call. So a lot of people don't like being called. The time thing, I just think that it's not true that calls are faster.
So many times I've been in a situation where I'm calling, leaving a message, they don't answer, they call me back, I'm in the middle of something, I can't answer, they leave a message. And you know what we always do? We always switch to texting. And time.
I found that surprisingly hurtful. I thought this was just going to be about the topics, but that feels somehow ad hominem.
I'm sorry. I hurt your feelings. You're welcome.
How did you say it? With your mouth.
Oh, my goodness.
All right. We have a lot more to hear coming up. We're going to hear from Kalila and team texting. But first, a quick break.
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Chapter 4: What emotional benefits do phone calls provide?
Oh, it's my childhood friend again. She says, thanks, that text brightened my day. And she sent me a picture of some sandwiches she made. Let me text back a drool emoji and a heart one, too.
Very nicely done. I'm sending you gifts of lots of people giving high fives. Way to go. Ella, what stood out to you about Kalila's declaration of greatness?
That like she was saying how calls have to be at a good time and how like your texts are private and like kept you can keep them to yourself.
OK, Jonathan, it's time for your rebuttal. You've got 30 seconds to leave Kalila on read and your time starts now.
Okay. You mentioned Shakespeare. I'm trying to remember which play or sonnet the smiley face was in. You say the thing about how phone calls evaporate into air, but frankly, like, I mean, all the best things in life do, you know, like laughter and tears and Our own human experiences themselves. So I don't think, you know, that discounts them.
I think we're I think a lot of what you're saying, I feel very parental. It speaks to our isolation.
I mean, yeah, sure. If you want to talk about the nature of mortality and death, but I just like to sort of be able to look back at a nice text later, you know.
I mean, I don't know. We're just jumping too far ahead. I mean, like, why do anything, you know? Like, why sail a paper boat on a pond? Why would you do that? See, that's the problem right there. We're speaking two different languages. I come from a generation where, you know, you beat a hoop down the street with a stick. You know, and your generation has got AI solving all of that.
I don't know about AI, but I don't think it's a bad thing that we've, you know, evolved beyond hoops. We have better things to play with now than hoops on streets.
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Chapter 5: What surprising facts support the texting side of the argument?
Smash. Boom. The best. You're listening to Smash Boom Bust. I'm your host, Molly Bloom. And I'm your judge, Ella. And we love getting debate suggestions from our listeners like this one.
Hi, my name is Wyatt. I'm from Hanford, California. My debate suggestion is Monopoly versus Jenga.
A game night debate. Wyatt's not playing with this one. We'll hear who Wyatt thinks should win at the end of the show. And now, back to this debate, calling versus texting. And now it's time for round two, the... Micro round. It's time for a fact-off. Kalila and Jonathan will each get three chances to make a micro-argument backed by a cool fact or idea.
Jonathan went first last round, so Kalila, please start us off.
Texting saved a life. In 2008, British surgeon David Knott was volunteering in the Congo and performed a life-saving operation, receiving step-by-step surgical instructions via text message. The operation was a success.
So wait, I just have a follow-up question about that little fun factoid. So he put down the scalpel in order to like be texting away?
I don't have information about the logistics of if maybe someone was reading them out loud.
Okay. All right. I do tend to think that if it was just on a phone, you can get rid of the middleman and you wouldn't have to have someone reading the text to him out loud. But anyway, did you know that phone calls are good for your mental health? And I've got some studies to prove it. One study tested how people felt after calling an old friend or just typing to them and get this.
Even though people were worried that the call would be awkward, it wasn't. And it brought them closer to their friend. And another study found that regular phone calls make people feel less lonely.
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Chapter 6: What are the implications of texting on modern communication?
Are they low blows?
Yeah.
I don't know. I mean, even like when you think about the friendships that you have, the friends, there's kind of a hierarchy. Like there's the friends that you feel like you could pick up the phone and call, right? And those are usually your closest friends. That's a soft fact.
A fact of the heart. Yeah, much of a fact. A fact of the heart. All right. Ella, what's out to you from this micro round?
That they each had like their strengths, like in texting, you might like do it more often or like with everyone and then like calling definitely with like specific people to show you care about them.
All right. Those were a lot of good facts, a lot of good points, but only one team can get a point for this round. So Ella, please award a point for this micro round. The decision is completely subjective and completely up to you. Have you made your decision? I have. Perfect. Keep it secret and we'll be right back.
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We're back and we're jumping right in because it's time for Sneak Attack. This is our improvised round where debaters have to respond to a challenge on the spot. Today's challenge is mystery word. Each debater will get a list of three secret words, and they're going to try to get our judge, Ella, to guess the word as fast as she can. So let's say one of my words was milk.
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Chapter 7: How did the Sneak Attack round influence the debate outcome?
Then it's time for our final round. The final six. In this round, each team will have just six words to sum up the glory of their side. Kalila, you're up first. Tell us why you heart emoji texting. Open your mind. Future is now. Oh, very nice. All right, Jonathan, last chance to give it your all for a call.
Immediate, intimate, hand and finger free. That's kind of a hyphenated one. Direct, interactive, and fun.
Very nice. All right, Ella, it is time to award your final point for this final six. Have you made your decision? I have. Oh, my goodness. All right. Tally up those points, Ella. Are you ready to crown one team the Smash Boom best? I am. Okay. Drum roll, please. And the winner is... Texting. Yay.
I knew it.
I knew it. Next time, if you get instead of a teenage judge, you get like some 70-year-old. Man, we don't have a fighting chance. Our fingers are just too pudgy and sticky to text.
Why are your fingers so sticky? It's my business.
I like fudge.
Me too, me too. Ella, was there a moment that really decided things for texting?
I think it was probably the sneak attack. It was really, really fast. I got it.
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