Horse Geeks
Episodes
Horse Geeks Episode 124: Straight On A Circle
31 Jan 2024
Contributed by Lukas
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Horse Geeks Episode 123: Working With Thresholds
31 Jan 2024
Contributed by Lukas
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Horse Geeks Episode 122: Uncomfortable Realizations
31 Jan 2024
Contributed by Lukas
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Horse Geeks Episode 121: Intentions And Goals
04 Jan 2024
Contributed by Lukas
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Horse Geeks Episode 120: This Whole Back Use – Saddle Fitting Thing
28 Dec 2023
Contributed by Lukas
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Horse Geeks Episode 119: The Polyvagal Nervous System
28 Dec 2023
Contributed by Lukas
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Horse Geeks Episode 118: Getting Grounded
28 Dec 2023
Contributed by Lukas
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Horse Geeks Episode 117: Horses Teach Us About Relationships
16 Dec 2023
Contributed by Lukas
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Horse Geeks Episode 116: Research On Horses Over Ground Poles
16 Dec 2023
Contributed by Lukas
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Horse Geeks Episode 115: Horses Teach Us Resilience
30 Nov 2023
Contributed by Lukas
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Horse Geeks Episode 114: Lunging Horses
20 Nov 2023
Contributed by Lukas
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Horse Geeks Episode 113: Kinesphere, Lateral Muscles and Pausing
20 Nov 2023
Contributed by Lukas
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Horse Geeks Episode 112: Horse Training Matters For Health
20 Nov 2023
Contributed by Lukas
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Horse Geeks Episode 111: The Training Scales
20 Nov 2023
Contributed by Lukas
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Horse Geeks Episode 110: Connecting With Horses and All Animals
17 Oct 2023
Contributed by Lukas
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Horse Geeks Episode 109: The Pleiades Equine Group
17 Oct 2023
Contributed by Lukas
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Horse Geeks Episode 108: Recognizing Defensiveness
08 Oct 2023
Contributed by Lukas
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Horse Geeks Episode 107: Case Studies
01 Oct 2023
Contributed by Lukas
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Horse Geeks Episode 106: Mechanical And Painful Lameness Issues
01 Oct 2023
Contributed by Lukas
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Horse Geeks Episode 105: Biomechanics and Physics (made easy)
03 Sep 2023
Contributed by Lukas
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Horse Geeks Episode 104: Herd Dynamics
03 Sep 2023
Contributed by Lukas
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Horse Geeks Episode 103: Internal Straightness
03 Sep 2023
Contributed by Lukas
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Horse Geeks Episode 102: Ease Is Always The Right Path
03 Sep 2023
Contributed by Lukas
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Horse Geeks Episode 101: Simple Does Not Mean Easy
17 Aug 2023
Contributed by Lukas
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Horse Geeks Episode 100: How Did We Get Here?
05 Aug 2023
Contributed by Lukas
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Horse Geeks Episode 99: Feeding Horses for Optimal Digestion
05 Aug 2023
Contributed by Lukas
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Horse Geeks Episode 98: Why Use Groundwork With Our Horses
05 Aug 2023
Contributed by Lukas
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Horse Geeks Episode 97: Working Through Fear Issues with Horses
05 Aug 2023
Contributed by Lukas
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Horse Geeks Episode 96: Understanding Setbacks in Training
05 Aug 2023
Contributed by Lukas
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Horse Geeks Episode 95: Nutrition for Horse Metabolic Issues
05 Aug 2023
Contributed by Lukas
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Horse Geeks Episode 94: FAQ’s About Horses, Asked on Internet Searches
01 Jul 2023
Contributed by Lukas
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Horse Geeks Episode 93: Conversations with Our Horses
01 Jul 2023
Contributed by Lukas
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Horse Geeks Episode 92: Recognizing Pain Issues in Our Horses
01 Jul 2023
Contributed by Lukas
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Horse Geeks Episode 91: Equine Nutrition Basics
01 Jul 2023
Contributed by Lukas
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Horse Geeks Episode 90: Head and Neck Balance
01 Jul 2023
Contributed by Lukas
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Horse Geeks Episode 89: Spurs and Riding Whips
01 Jul 2023
Contributed by Lukas
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Horse Geeks Episode 88: Rider Leg Contact and Leg Aids
01 Jul 2023
Contributed by Lukas
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Horse Geeks Episode 87: Self Awareness = Choice
05 Jun 2023
Contributed by Lukas
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Horse Geeks Episode 86: The Process of Change
05 Jun 2023
Contributed by Lukas
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Horse Geeks Episode 85: Finding Safety In Ourselves
05 Jun 2023
Contributed by Lukas
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Horse Geeks Episode 84: Control or Support
05 Jun 2023
Contributed by Lukas
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Horse Geeks Episode 83: Rein Contact
05 Jun 2023
Contributed by Lukas
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Horse Geeks Episode 82: Tracking Up
05 Jun 2023
Contributed by Lukas
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Horse Geeks Episode 81: Horse Head Setting Devices
05 Jun 2023
Contributed by Lukas
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Horse Geeks Episode 80: Bits and Bridles
05 Jun 2023
Contributed by Lukas
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Horse Geeks Episode 79: Ground Poles and Hill Work
01 May 2023
Contributed by Lukas
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Horse Geeks Episode 78: Horse Training Paradigms
01 May 2023
Contributed by Lukas
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Horse Geeks Episode 77: We Feel What We Feel
01 May 2023
Contributed by Lukas
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Horse Geeks Episode 76: Internal and External Worlds
01 May 2023
Contributed by Lukas
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Horse Geeks Episode 75: How We Carry Ourselves
01 May 2023
Contributed by Lukas
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Horse Geeks Episode 74: Dropped, Popped and Bulging Shoulders
01 May 2023
Contributed by Lukas
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Horse Geeks Episode 73: Heels Down
01 May 2023
Contributed by Lukas
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Horse Geeks Episode 72: “Look Where You’re Going” Deconstructed
01 May 2023
Contributed by Lukas
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Horse Geeks Episode 71: Horses Helping With Mental Health
01 May 2023
Contributed by Lukas
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Horse Geeks Episode 70: How To Have Quiet Hands As A Rider
02 Apr 2023
Contributed by Lukas
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Horse Geeks Episode 69: Deconstructing “Shoulders Back”
02 Apr 2023
Contributed by Lukas
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Horse Geeks Episode 68: Move With The Horse Or Sit Still…
02 Apr 2023
Contributed by Lukas
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Horse Geeks Episode 67: Rider Position – Rider Balance
02 Apr 2023
Contributed by Lukas
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Horse Geeks Episode 66: Saddle Fitting For Rider and Horse
02 Apr 2023
Contributed by Lukas
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Horse Geeks Episode 65: Selling Your Horse
02 Apr 2023
Contributed by Lukas
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Horse Geeks Episode 64: Buying Horses
02 Apr 2023
Contributed by Lukas
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Horse Geeks Episode 63: Tricks and Treats
04 Mar 2023
Contributed by Lukas
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Horse Geeks Episode 62: Using Treats with Horses
04 Mar 2023
Contributed by Lukas
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Horse Geeks Episode 61: Trailer Loading, Part 2
03 Mar 2023
Contributed by Lukas
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Horse Geeks Episode 60: Trailer Loading for Life
03 Mar 2023
Contributed by Lukas
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Horse Geeks Episode 59: Resolving Issues with Basic Handling
03 Mar 2023
Contributed by Lukas
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Horse Geeks Episode 58: Lateral Work
03 Mar 2023
Contributed by Lukas
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Horse Geeks Episode 57: Laminitis Explained
02 Mar 2023
Contributed by Lukas
The Horse Geeks Podcast - Where we look at horses and riding from the inside outTopic: Discussion with Dr. Gretchen Nelsen, DVM about laminitis, what ...
Horse Geeks Episode 56: Straight On A Circle
05 Feb 2023
Contributed by Lukas
The Horse Geeks Podcast - Where we look at horses and riding from the inside outTopic: How we can use the information provided from scientific researc...
Horse Geeks Episode 55: Lateral Bending and Rotation Functions
05 Feb 2023
Contributed by Lukas
The Horse Geeks Podcast - Where we look at horses and riding from the inside outTopic: Third episode reviewing and discussing the research paper, "Spi...
Horse Geeks Episode 54: Relationship of Neck And Back Functional Use
05 Feb 2023
Contributed by Lukas
The Horse Geeks Podcast - Where we look at horses and riding from the inside outTopic: Continued discussion of research paper "Spinal Biomechanics and...
Horse Geeks Episode 53: Acupressure and Myofascial Body Work
05 Feb 2023
Contributed by Lukas
The Horse Geeks Podcast - Where we look at horses and riding from the inside outTopic: Guest Sam McLean talks about the body working techniques she us...
Horse Geeks Episode 52: Spinal Biomechanics and Functional Anatomy
05 Feb 2023
Contributed by Lukas
The Horse Geeks Podcast - Where we look at horses and riding from the inside outTopic: Discussion and practical application of information published i...
Horse Geeks Episode 51: The Belly Does Not Lift The Back
05 Feb 2023
Contributed by Lukas
The Horse Geeks Podcast - Where we look at horses and riding from the inside outTopic: Review of research paper regarding muscle fiber types - relatin...
Horse Geeks Episode 50: Competitive Riding
05 Feb 2023
Contributed by Lukas
The Horse Geeks Podcast - Where we look at horses and riding from the inside outTopic: Competition goals and how we go about helping our horses develo...
Horse Geeks Episode 49: I’m Just a Trail Rider
05 Feb 2023
Contributed by Lukas
The Horse Geeks Podcast - Where we look at horses and riding from the inside outTopic: Tips and thoughts for pleasure riders and trail ridersGuest: De...
Horse Geeks Episode 48: Understanding Colic
03 Jan 2023
Contributed by Lukas
The Horse Geeks Podcast - Where we look at horses and riding from the inside outTopic: Discussion regarding symptoms, treatments and prevention of col...
Horse Geeks Episode 47: Natural Horsemanship
03 Jan 2023
Contributed by Lukas
The Horse Geeks Podcast - Where we look at horses and riding from the inside outTopic: What is natural horsemanship? What is natural? Is natural bette...
Horse Geeks Episode 46: Self-Carriage
03 Jan 2023
Contributed by Lukas
The Horse Geeks Podcast - Where we look at horses and riding from the inside outTopic: What is self-carriage for us and for our horses? How do we know...
Horse Geeks Episode 45: Engagement of The Hindquarters
03 Jan 2023
Contributed by Lukas
The Horse Geeks Podcast - Where we look at horses and riding from the inside outTopic: What is engagement? How do you see or feel it? How do we improv...
Horse Geeks Episode 44: Using Visual Feedback for Balance
03 Jan 2023
Contributed by Lukas
The Horse Geeks Podcast - Where we look at horses and riding from the inside outTopic: Why we need visual feedback and how to work with pics and video...
Horse Geeks Episode 43: Rider Balance Hacks
03 Jan 2023
Contributed by Lukas
The Horse Geeks Podcast - Where we look at horses and riding from the inside outTopic: Ways to hack our own nervous system as riders in order to make ...
Horse Geeks Episode 42: Heart Math
03 Jan 2023
Contributed by Lukas
The Horse Geeks Podcast - Where we look at horses and riding from the inside outTopic: Learning about Heart Math, as both research and techniques. Res...
Horse Geeks Episode 41: Optimal Posture for Riders
11 Dec 2022
Contributed by Lukas
The Horse Geeks Podcast - Where we look at horses and riding from the inside outTopic: Deb Romero shares her philosophies and strategies for helping r...
Horse Geeks Episode 40: The Comfort Zone Model
07 Dec 2022
Contributed by Lukas
The Horse Geeks Podcast - Where we look at horses and riding from the inside outTopic: Using the Comfort Zone model for safety, learning and skill dev...
Horse Geeks Episode 39: The Learning Frame of Mind
07 Dec 2022
Contributed by Lukas
The Horse Geeks Podcast - Where we look at horses and riding from the inside outTopic: How the mental focus and emotional state of both horse and ride...
Horse Geeks Episode 38: Equine Assisted Therapies
07 Dec 2022
Contributed by Lukas
The Horse Geeks Podcast - Where we look at horses and riding from the inside outTopic: Do we consider preparing therapy horses for the job of helping ...
Horse Geeks Episode 37: Moving Beyond Duality
07 Dec 2022
Contributed by Lukas
The Horse Geeks Podcast - Where we look at horses and riding from the inside outTopic: Exploring duality is exactly how we find balance. getting stuck...
Horse Geeks Episode 36: Is It a Conformation Problem or a Posture Problem?
07 Dec 2022
Contributed by Lukas
The Horse Geeks Podcast - Where we look at horses and riding from the inside outTopic: A discussion about the difference between conformation and post...
Horse Geeks Episode 35: Walking Over Dollars to Pick Up Pennies, part 2
06 Dec 2022
Contributed by Lukas
The Horse Geeks Podcast - Where we look at horses and riding from the inside outTopic: Continuation of the theme from the last podcast, part 1, where ...
Horse Geeks Episode 34: Walking Over Dollars to Pick Up Pennies, part 1
06 Dec 2022
Contributed by Lukas
The Horse Geeks Podcast - Where we look at horses and riding from the inside outTopic: There is a "part 1" because the power went out while recording ...
Horse Geeks Episode 33: Is Perfection in The Way of Progress?
06 Dec 2022
Contributed by Lukas
The Horse Geeks Podcast - Where we look at horses and riding from the inside outTopic: Are we pushing our horses towards a theoretical ideal or are we...
Horse Geeks Episode 32: Aids and Contacts
05 Nov 2022
Contributed by Lukas
The Horse Geeks Podcast - Where we look at horses and riding from the inside outTopic: Discussion continued about positive and negative reinforcement ...
Horse Geeks Episode 31: Using Positive and Negative Reinforcement
05 Nov 2022
Contributed by Lukas
The Horse Geeks Podcast - Where we look at horses and riding from the inside outTopic: What are positive and negative reinforcements? How do we use th...
Horse Geeks Episode 30: We Get More of What We Focus On
05 Nov 2022
Contributed by Lukas
The Horse Geeks Podcast - Where we look at horses and riding from the inside outTopic: Review of why to use a gratitude journal for our own health and...
Horse Geeks Episode 29: Working with Older Horses
05 Nov 2022
Contributed by Lukas
The Horse Geeks Podcast - Where we look at horses and riding from the inside outTopic: Working with older horses and as we age ourselves - the importa...
Horse Geeks Episode 28: Love Will Keep Us Together
05 Nov 2022
Contributed by Lukas
The Horse Geeks Podcast - Where we look at horses and riding from the inside outTopic: Looking at how we show love and how love is received by our hor...
Horse Geeks Episode 27: How our Thoughts Affect our Results
05 Nov 2022
Contributed by Lukas
The Horse Geeks Podcast - Where we look at horses and riding from the inside outTopic: How do we know when we are not working a horse hard enough or w...
Horse Geeks Episode 26: Quality of work vs. Quantity of time
05 Nov 2022
Contributed by Lukas
The Horse Geeks Podcast - Where we look at horses and riding from the inside outTopic: How do we know when we are not working a horse hard enough or w...
Horse Geeks Episode 25: Differences Between Horse and Human Spines
05 Nov 2022
Contributed by Lukas
The Horse Geeks Podcast - Where we look at horses and riding from the inside outTopic: In this podcast we compare the anatomy and function of horse's ...