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How I Invest with David Weisburd

E139: How HIG Went from $75 Million to $67 Billion AUM

18 Feb 2025

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In this episode of How I Invest, I engage with Jackson Craig, Managing Director and Co-Head of H.I.G. Bayside's U.S. Special Situations and Distressed Debt Strategy. With over 20 years of experience in private equity investing, Jackson shares his expertise on navigating distressed debt markets, building resilient portfolios, and uncovering hidden opportunities in complex financial situations. From sourcing distressed assets to managing risk, Jackson offers a masterclass on investing in challenging environments.

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You've been at HIG for 16 years and the firm has really grown through your tenure. Tell me about how HIG has grown over the 16 years that you've been there.

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HIG is a platform. Starting in 1993, 75 million first fund, very strong performance. Fast forward to today, 67 billion in assets under management, 19 offices, over 500 investment professionals. And in addition to private equity, a fully developed alternative credit platform with both the stress debt and direct lending, a real estate effort, an infrastructure effort, and a growth equity effort.

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And all of those in US, Europe, and Latin America. HIG has really grown from a small private equity fund decades ago to the $68 billion behemoth today. How did HIG grow?

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First and foremost, performance. And so very strong performance, especially in the flagship equity product, top decile for a number of years, really, really strong investor demand that allowed the firm to say, okay, we can raise more capital. Investors are asking us to manage more money, but we don't want to lose our discipline. We don't want to grow out of our space. How do we accomplish that?

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We need to grow geographically. We need to grow into adjacencies. And so that's what they did. They really grew, grew laterally into these strategies. and then geographically first into Europe and then second into Latin America. So you're co-head of HIG's distress strategy. What is distress debt?

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Good question. The traditional definition of distress debt is debt with a yield 1,000 basis points or more greater than the reference treasury. So what do I mean by that? For a five-year corporate bond, if the five-year U.S. treasury is yielding 4%,

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that corporate bond would need to have a yield of 14%, 10 percentage points, 1,000 basis points greater than the treasury in order to be considered distressed. That's the benchmark that people use to distinguish between that debt's the distressed and that's not. That's where people draw the line, which might ask you to beg the question, why would debt have such a high yield?

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It's really in yields that start to approach what you would expect to see for total returns on equity securities. The reason for that is, a perception of the probability of default and an impairment of recovery. So is this debt going to pay interest for the full life of it? Maybe, maybe not. The borrower's a little shaky.

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Is value going to be sufficient to cause this debt to be repaid and pull at par in cash on or before the maturity date? Maybe, maybe not. The borrower's a little shaky. And so that increased perception of risk, that increased probability of default is what causes debt to trade at these very high yields.

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