Chapter 1: What are dodgy boxes and their implications?
This is an Irish independent podcast. You're using a dodgy box, you're going to go to prison. Now I have your attention. I don't know if that's true, but it bloody should be. Ronan Mullan, hello. Hi, Joe. Will Slattery, hello to you. Hello, Joe. We're going to talk to Adrian Weckler today about dodgy boxes. He was on Primetime last night, actually, talking about this.
One million visits from Ireland every day are being made to websites offering pirated TV, film and sport. So a million times a day. And I guess where is all this going to go? He thinks, I mean, we haven't spoken to him yet, but 2026 may be the year. This has been long kind of heralded. It's coming.
Chapter 2: How is Ireland addressing the issue of dodgy boxes?
It's coming. 2026 may be the year some kind of action is taken. Now, obviously, I don't think anyone's going to jail for subscribing or using the service, whatever about the providers. But like in Italy, they've tweaked laws so that You're getting like a fine in the post now if you're caught, you know? So kind of a penalty points thing you get. I don't know how much the fines are necessarily.
Adrian can fill us in. But fines in the post are kind of becoming a thing. And Greece, Belgium, Portugal also looking at that. Because, you know, if they do a raid and they find Will Slattery is providing dodgy box services, then they will have access to his subscriber list and then fines go out in the post. So that's one kind of beginning of all this.
So I feel like I should say I don't have a dodgy box. Just in case any of the questions I subsequently ask Adrian Weckler sound like... Implicating. Just asking for a friend. A question from a listener. Yeah. So one million a day from Ireland being made to websites. It's always hard to get a hold on how many households, but they reckon somewhere between 200,000 and 400,000 households.
Because there was a poll in the Sunday Independent where one of the questions was, do you have a dodgy box? And I think 14% of people said yes, and another 10% said they would prefer not to answer.
Yeah.
there's no stigma attached to it like in society it's one of those funny things if you did like an XY axis of like a crime being committed technically but what people think of it like you know it would pretty illustrate that I don't think anyone consider no one would think any less of you I don't think if you were in a conversation at a dinner party one of those dinner parties you aspire to host that you've mentioned before kind of you know entertaining people maybe you play the piano in a couple years time and the topic of dodgy boxes come up and if someone said oh I have one I don't think people would be like get out get out no
But even the piece in the Telegraph today or this week was, to your point there, that socially acceptable, they think it is. Like, not even that there's a stigma, but this is normal. If someone told me they were selling them... That's a different story.
That would be different, but... Would I ask them to leave my dinner party? I don't know. It's hard to know how I'd feel if someone was kind of some sort of dodgy box kingpin. But it wouldn't be considered the same as if they were saying, oh, I go around stealing cars.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Chapter 3: What fines are being introduced across Europe for dodgy box users?
It's seen as a harmless, victimless crime.
Those people are already making so much money, etc. Whether it should be viewed as that is another thing, but it seems to be. Yeah, there was a survey in the UK and 66% of people said there should be no fine, no punishment for anyone who's using a dodgy box. So you're right, it's not really seen as a crime. So, you know, it's... Interesting.
Of people using a dodgy box, I had thought that sport would be the big driver. And I was surprised to see in these figures provided by Muso. Muso are a content protection firm. The EU used them. They gave the figures to RTE. So of all these many, many visits you're all making out there, sport only accounts for a mere 12%. The big driver is TV and film with 71%. The most stolen movie.
Sounds like a crime to me.
The most stolen movie of 2025 was Sinners with Michael B. Jordan. Haven't seen it. Haven't seen it. Proof.
Talking about it being socially acceptable or not. Hang on. Either have you seen Sinners? Your typical crime. I have seen it. Cinema for me. Is that right? Also in the cinema.
Okay. Good. Great film. Yeah. It needs a cinematic big screen treatment.
So like, yeah, this has been normalized to an extent. But if you cast your mind back, certainly for me as a child watching films and almost all of them had this terrifying anti-piracy thing at the beginning. Oh, yeah. I'm scarred still. I was like, I had no concept of what a crime was. But this to me, when I was four or five, this is the worst of the worst.
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Chapter 4: What is the public perception of dodgy boxes in Ireland?
They make this seem like the worst crime possible. Don't you dare pirate this. It's very punchy. I'm only, I can't.
I have no contacts book. Yeah. Stop putting that in. Can I ask a question? Is the dodgy box picture quality good?
I wouldn't know personally, of course, Joe, but having talked to people who might know. Don't do that. What? I'm speaking honestly. Can I not speak honestly and frankly?
That's the most incriminating thing I've ever seen.
Like any good journalist show. I wouldn't know myself, but, you know, putting on my journalism hat. Yeah.
Sorry, I want to be very fair. I actually, I didn't, I don't know. I would never, I don't know if anyone has a dodgy box. I'm just, I'm presuming. Don't ask, don't tell. You can't ask a man that kind of question.
It's like a kind of a Clinton-esque.
No, but I want to be fair. I'm not asking you this as if you're like Mr. Dodgy Box. No. But I presume you've seen one. I don't think, I just don't think I have.
Have you ever been on holidays abroad and they're showing the game in English language? Yeah. That's Dodgy Box. What else would it be?
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Chapter 5: How do dodgy boxes affect content providers and broadcasters?
I don't know. Satellite?
I'm led to believe that the picture quality is HD quality. Okay. You would not know the difference. However, occasionally, if you're watching, say, Sinners... in English, Korean subtitles might be at the bottom. So that's, you know, that's maybe they're getting their good quality.
The days of someone going into a cineplex with a large hat on and a camera under it and it being very grainy, they're gone. It's like you don't have to wear some sort of paraphernalia. It's like you're getting like HD quality.
Okay. He used to peruse the produce... in Jonesburg, just strictly watching capacity, just to see what it's like. And it was very much what you're describing there, where it's like someone has smuggled a camcorder into their jacket. I'm talking late 90s here. Yeah, that's kind of the deal.
So even like the way we're talking about it, we're not talking about it the way we would talk about a serious crime. And like, for instance... Clubber TV CEO, Clubber TV, which I should declare, by the way, not that it's influenced this discussion anyway, but Media Whees, who own the Irish Independent, also own Clubber.
So Clubber CEO Jimmy Doyle has been talking about this both last night on the primetime show, but just generally he's talked about this quite a few times. You know, he is trying to get a small business up and running here, reckons 40% of revenue is being stolen.
See, that's where it goes from, oh, Michael B. Jordan is still making like a gazillion dollars per movie, it's fine, to, oh yeah, God, Clubber. Like, I googled... Clubber and Dodgy Box because I had seen his quotes on the TV and I thought I must get the quotes for the piece.
And the first thing that comes up with Clubber and Dodgy Box is a Reddit thread saying, does anyone know where I can get the Clubber matches on my Dodgy Box or which Dodgy Box supplies Clubber matches? So, you know, it's very, very serious for things like Clubber. For LOITV, the margins are small here.
Like Jimmy Doyle was saying, you know, the videographers and the commentators and everybody involved, he said, we need 50 to 60 people to pay for a game for us to break even. The margins are tight here, you know, in terms of how many people might watch a given club match. It's like, we need 50, 60 to break even. After that, we're into the beginnings of profit.
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Chapter 6: What are the statistics on dodgy box usage in Ireland?
I hadn't seen this, but it seems, you know, things like at the end of the game, Kylian MbappƩ was saying to his teammates, get off. We're not giving a guard of honor. We're not staying on here to watch this trophy presentation or, you know, be in any way sporting about this. And Javi Alonso came on and said, no, no, no, we stay on. And MbappƩ said, no, we don't. And the team walked off.
So there's a sense of the stars are running the show. And when you're a very systems-based manager like Alonso...
You know, it's a tricky club. 34 games and he's gone. I saw one of the exposƩs. The headline was, Alonso, I didn't realise I was coming to coach a nursery.
VAR meanwhile in the dock after the game between City and Newcastle and oh yeah Chelsea Arsenal this evening as well also in the League Cup Leymar Senior we'll have to get the lads early take on Leymar Senior because Dame Delaney was on with us the day after he was appointed and was saying great guy really great guy played with him at Ipswich he was the kind of fella who'd sit down and ask how are things and when you said fine he would say no really great emotional intelligence how are things yeah very popular
I think online football is going to have a field day with this guy. That is the early worry for Lemur Sr. Here's just a clip of him talking, for instance, about coaching versus managing.
I'm a manager or a coach. I'm both. Coaching is educating. Coaching is wanting to improve players on a technical and tactical level. Management is making sure that you have a strong culture, that your players have rules and regulations and you manage them in the right way. In English, manage, if you split the two words, it's man, age. You're aging men. Oh, shit.
Can you have too much emotional intelligence? I think that might be it. Surplus.
Can you just be less Liam Rossignori? This is Brendan Rodgers and what did you say? Diary of a CEO meets football.
No, I said if this is embodiment of if that kind of podcast was a football manager.
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Chapter 7: What changes in legislation could impact dodgy box users?
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I was saying this to you the other day. That's a classic. Can I have a sheet there for a second? Would you mind passing me one of your sheets for a moment? Okay. Where's this going? I'll give you an impression of what you do when I'm talking, if you wouldn't mind. This isn't going to work for listeners. I'll explain it while I'm doing it. Alright, okay. Pass me a sheet.
I'm taking a pen, listeners, and Joe is speaking and I'm putting my hand on a piece of paper and I'm now tracing my hand like a five-year-old. This is honestly what Joe does when someone's talking. And he does his fingernails as well as I'm doing now. So at the end of the day, if anyone of the TV audience and YouTube audience can see, he has a nice hand shape on the back of his sheep.
God, that is true, actually, I do. You do that a lot. What's that about? You tell me. Did you not realise what I was going to do there? No, but as soon as you said it, I was like, oh my God, I do do that.
Yeah. Jesus. I hope Adrian's not waiting outside watching this.
If you ever went over to Joe Molloy's house, there's just like pictures on his wall, framed photos of his hand drawings. I blame my daughter. Yeah, you're like, is that your kid, Joe?
I was like, no, that's just me. Small hands. Could genuinely a therapist, what is that about? What's someone who draws the outline of their hand? What's that mean?
I know it's more when I talk, you do the hand as well. I don't know why. Other people don't get the hand drawing as much as me. Interesting. Yeah. I didn't know any of this. So that's why I erupted like a volcano because I was like the neck of him to call me everybody.
So in answer to Tommy G, Will has been sitting on this for quite some time.
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Chapter 8: What future developments can we expect regarding dodgy boxes?
Any change in the law might, for example, allow Comrec, who is the telecoms regulator, they might be the ones who are allowed to send you out a fine. So it wouldn't have to be the guards. It wouldn't have to be the DPP or any of those offices and bodies that we typically associate with pursuing crime. They want to get it to become an administrative fine. The burning question...
How much will I be fined?
So in Italy, it starts at 154 euro and it goes up to several thousand euro for repeat offenses. Greece is talking about fines of even more than that, I think up to 8000 euro, maybe more. Actually, I need to check the figures on that. And then Portugal and Belgium are talking about it.
And they're talking about fines in the thousands as well, starting at several hundred and going up to several thousand. Important to say again. I don't see any legislation on the books here in DĆ”il Ćireann for that. I don't even really hear politicians talking about it. Like I remember the days of, you know, music and video piracy 10, 15 years ago.
And you would have ministers like Labour's Sean Sherlock, for example. And there was a political... wind behind the drive to fight that type of piracy. We got a three strikes law in Ireland where if you were detected downloading pirated material, you could be cut off from your broadband connection. There isn't the same wind at the moment for some reason. I'm not quite sure why that is.
I think maybe it's because The majority of the content that is seen to be pirated here maybe comes from non-domestic sources, perhaps, although the GAA and FAI might argue with that. But back in those days, it was maybe Irish artists, music artists, for example, maybe had a wider purchase on political consensus.
Well, I'm no political advisor, but in a landscape where upwards of half a million plus people are watching dodgy boxes and the vast majority of people don't think people should be fined, I'm not sure, Minister, it's the ticket we want to run on here.
I think you're right. I think even talking to the stakeholders involved, the people who are trying to change the law, the people who are chasing after the dodgy box distributors and to a lesser degree, the end users, I think they would agree with that as well.
And that leaves them trying, well, first of all, trying to get the law changed, but that also leaves them trying to do things like focus on the distributors and the sellers, as they call it, the supply chain, but also this idea of,
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