Insights Unlocked
Imagining the future: Why leaders need more than vision to succeed with Lisa Kay Solomon
Mon, 02 Jun 2025
Episode web page: https://bit.ly/4dDbMuy In this thought-provoking episode of Insights Unlocked, Jason Giles sits down with Lisa Kay Solomon—designer in residence at Stanford’s d.school, bestselling author, and strategic foresight expert—to explore how leaders can better prepare for an uncertain and rapidly evolving future. Lisa shares insights from her 20+ years in scenario planning and design, reflecting on the transformative impact of the COVID-19 pandemic and how it highlighted the critical need for imagination, empathy, and long-term thinking in leadership. She discusses the value of futures thinking in education and business, emphasizing how anticipatory leadership, scenario planning, and rapid prototyping can help organizations build resilience and stay ahead of disruption. Whether you're leading a team, crafting customer experiences, or shaping strategic decisions, this episode will inspire you to stretch your thinking, foster creativity, and embrace your role as a designer of the future. What you’ll learn in this episode: Why the pandemic marked a turning point in how leaders perceive uncertainty How imagination is an underdeveloped but essential leadership skill Practical tools like futures wheels and scenario planning to anticipate change The role of design and prototyping in shaping strategic foresight How to nurture a culture that values long-term thinking and experimentation Why attention is the new currency in the battle for meaningful innovation Resources & Links: Lisa Kay Solomon on LinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/in/lisakaysolomon/ Jason Giles on LinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/in/jaygiles/ Leading like a Futurist course on LinkedIn Learning https://www.linkedin.com/learning/leading-like-a-futurist/you-are-a-futurist Harvard Business Review: 5 Pandemic-Era Lessons on Leading Through Change https://hbr.org/2025/03/5-pandemic-era-lessons-on-leading-through-drastic-change?ab=HP-hero-latest-1 Stanford d.school profile: https://dschool.stanford.edu/directory/lisa-kay-solomon Learn more about Insights Unlocked: https://www.usertesting.com/podcast
Chapter 1: What insights did the pandemic reveal about leadership?
There's lots to talk about regarding what's happening on technology and global policy and in our environment. But I think that moment hopefully marked a wake-up call for all leaders that it wasn't like we were just going to get through that pandemic and be done and go back to normal. We need to retool how we think about what is going to be our new normal.
And I'll just even put a finer point on it, Jason, I think about all the time.
About 10 years ago, when we wrote Moments of Impact, which was really a guidebook to help leaders have conversations about the future, how to bring multiple perspectives together to discover the future so that they're not blindsided by the present, we opened up by defining this term VUCA that you hear quite a lot these days, which stands for volatility, uncertainty, complexity, and ambiguity, coined by U.S.
military planners in the early 90s. And I often think like, we thought we were VUCA then. This is like peak VUCA. And one more point on that is that this today, whenever our listeners are listening, could be the most simple VUCA of days to come. So again, just pointing out that we can't expect the world to simplify. We have to adapt and change.
Chapter 2: Why is imagination a crucial skill for leaders?
Yeah, that's really powerful. It's interesting because, you know, I think you've been at the d.school for almost seven years. Is that right? That's right. And so you're trying to, like, make a case for, hey, this is really important to think about and start planning for this. And then you have this moment where it becomes very real very quickly. Yeah.
Can I just build on that? I mean, so I've been doing scenario planning for over 20 years and design for almost 30. And it was a big revelation for me when I started to do scenario planning work with this wonderful organization called Global Business Network that no longer exists, but really was a gathering of some of the big thinkers in scenario planning, Peter Schwartz, that did his
scenario planning work at Shell, is now the head of futures at Salesforce. Stuart Brand that created the Whole Earth Catalog, started the Long Now Foundation. So huge thinkers in the movement of futures thinking created this firm called Global Business Network where I did my work. And it was a huge revelation for me to realize that designing conversations about the future was
was really a design practice around conversations towards the future. And when I was brought into the d.school seven years ago, it was because our executive director saw, she had the foresight to see, that increasingly we were going to be designing with new mediums like algorithms and other kinds of emerging tech.
And so she brought me in to help infuse a futures lens to our already well-established design practices. And that was a wonderful experience. But I will be honest to say, Jason, that most of my colleagues didn't really understand the work until the pandemic hit. And then I ran an internal scenario planning exercise for my colleagues to say, wow, in this moment, March 2020,
How should we, as a small community of teachers and program leaders, how should we be thinking about this moment of extreme uncertainty? And it helped us understand how we could support our students, for example, that abruptly in 24 hours needed to leave campus, many of them international.
And I think that that opportunity to run the internal scenario planning process allowed my colleagues that I was working very closely with to better understand exactly what I was doing, where I was like, oh, I get it now.
And of course, in a scenario planning, as with a lot of strategic foresight practices, the goal is not to predict the future, but is to unearth more robust moves we could do, even amid that heightened uncertainty. And so from that, for example, one of the things that we did was realize, wow, we need to reach out to every single one of our students.
That's something that was in our control, even though the uncertainty of the pandemic was not. So all of that is to say, I think that was a turning point even internally for my colleagues to be like, oh, wait a minute, this is really helpful.
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Chapter 3: What tools can leaders use to anticipate change?
to get them to practice. So whether that's rapid fire scenario planning, which we can do by just identifying trends that are in plain sight, projecting them out, exploring what the world might look like and how that might open up a gap of opportunities or vulnerabilities from where we are today.
or even a basic futures implication wheel, where we'll take a single trend in front of us and we'll just build that out about first order implications, second order implications, third order implications, to go from the known to the unknown, not to critique it, but to become more aware of the surface area and things we need to research. So there's a lot more we could add into there.
But those are just some baselines of how do we get more comfortable with anticipation, more comfortable with imagination. And then the last one is more comfortable with our agency in bringing something to life, even if all of the information is not available to let us know if we're going to be successful or not.
That's fascinating. And I think what's interesting is because of your background also in design, when you think about coupling this projection into a possible future, it must allow you then to then, well, if this is one possibility, What is the opportunity here? Hence the agency. What are the risks there?
So can you talk a little bit about some of the practices or something practical that a team might do in that context of, okay, so we've done this exercise. We see this kind of potential state. What do we do with that?
Yeah, it's a great question, Jason. And I think for me, when futures is embedded into leadership teams, what it really means is that they've learned how to learn forward. That they are, again, learning how to live in the future and come back and say, what are the implications?
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Chapter 4: How can design thinking shape strategic foresight?
And they're not doing that in an episodic moment when they do a scenario planning and they're like, okay, here are the four scenarios, just like we do a strategic plan and then it sits on the shelf and we feel like we get a checkmark because we've done it. No. What we're doing is we're heightening our sensitivity towards looking for those early signals or something that looks a little anomalous.
I'm like, oh. And then the activity is, wait, let me go call that. Let me go learn. Let me go see that. William Gibson, who's a famous science fiction writer, has often said the future is already here. It's just unevenly distributed. And so the question is, how do you go and visit that future if it's already here? And that's about your relationships. That's about your tenacity.
That's about your willingness to go where the action is and visit, which is why many years ago when the first kind of tech bubble was on its rise in Silicon Valley, you would see these influxes. of global leaders to come to Silicon Valley as if they could sort of get me some of that innovation just by being here. I just visit the HP garage, that'll come back changed.
No, I think it takes like identifying, like what were those conditions? How might you adapt it back to your organizations? And this is where, Jason, to make it even more concrete, why I love teaching classes because I get to really break down what these disciplines are. For many years, I've taught a class called Inventing the Future.
And the idea is to teach these students these various modalities and methods of touching the future, whether it is scenario planning or challenging assumptions or really trying to extrapolate the legal or ethical boundaries of an emerging tech by exploring what the longer term implications are.
But my favorite part that always makes it more real, and a leadership team listening to this could do this, is we'll identify an emerging tech, let's say it's lab-grown meat or something, or materials that learn, concrete, for example. Then we say, okay, let's project out 30 years, some far stretch. And we'll say, let's now have a debate around the utopian and dystopian
possibilities of how this emerging tech might unfold. Not a prediction, but let's do some world building where we have a group of four being like, listen, this is the future. This is the utopic future of unlimited energy. And then a dystopian team will say, this is the dystopic future of unlimited energy, which is surprising. Like what? There's a downside?
And again, the purpose is not to predict, but to unearth assumptions that we might've been overlooking or the interconnectedness of how different layers of a society might unfold to better visit that future. And my favorite part about that is not only the creativity of what the students do, but we often invite an expert in the field to come and listen to the debates.
And then they give their own critique and observations about what's unfolding now. And I think almost without fail, the expert often walks away with new questions, which is my favorite. You know, they're like, oh, I never thought of it that way.
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Chapter 5: What strategies nurture a culture of long-term thinking?
So that's the biggest one that you're asking about. The second one, as we've been talking about, we've never been taught how to do this. Okay, let's say that there's these systems in place, but we also know that these skills are important. What if we don't really have those skills to even pull on? Then the last is that we have political competition in place.
By here, I don't mean the polarization I'm talking about. I'm talking about the fight for resources, the fight for talent, my team, my initiative, right? So that creates competition as opposed to the collaboration.
So what we say for leaders to learn how to take a futures orientation, a longer lens, which there are some strategies on how to do that, the ability to create a culture that rewards learning, that rewards growth, not necessarily only performance and getting right answers, And that we create the conditions for people to build this capacity, right, to be stronger in doing that.
That turns that doom loop, right, when you have the short-termism, politics, capability gaps in play, you get a disruptive moment like COVID. Oh, my gosh. It goes to – you're scrambling at best. Right? versus a learning org that has the robustness, that not only has the capability to really work with a challenging problem, but to get stronger as a result.
So I think obviously there's a lot of work to do there, but that would be the hope. But getting back to your core question about how do we take a longer lens, I think it takes someone that is able to credibly say, This is why it's important to take a longer length. This is why it's important to, here's a great metaphor, think like a good ancestor.
One of my absolute favorite books that I recommend all of our listeners to explore is Roman Krasnarek's The Good Ancestor. They came out a couple years ago. He is a beautiful writer talking about the importance of what he says, having a legacy mindset. really thinking as a seed planter. Again, very hard to do when you're working at a org that supports it.
But then we could sort of say, well, what are some other examples of longer term thinking? If we take a look at John F. Kennedy's first moonshot speech is a great example in the early 60s. He says, we got to put a man on the moon in the next decade. Now, even if he lived and was not tragically assassinated, a decade, he would have been out of office, right?
So even if he was elected a second term, so this ability to put a courageous longer term idea out there and then catalyze diverse groups to work towards it for a larger purpose, that's the kind of leadership that we're looking towards.
Well, and that's a certain type of leader who is interested in that kind of long-term impact that they have. And I think it must be very cool to work with folks like that who are reaching out to you and being like, look, I think that there's an opportunity for much broader impact long-term thinking.
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Chapter 6: Why is attention considered the new currency in innovation?
Chapter 7: How can scenario planning benefit organizations?
to stretch. And so when I say on opening day, look, this is not your problem solving class. This is a class for you to stretch. This is a class for you to make, to get more comfortable with being uncomfortable. About 50% of the students are like, yes, this is what I've been waiting for. And another 50% are like, Who's this crazy lady? I don't know what she's talking about. Is she for real?
Can I trust her? That has so not been my experience. And that just breaks my heart because we've conditioned these beautiful minds to be more conforming versus more divergent. And then guess what? We lack imagination. And even worse, we outsource these disruptive ideas to a small few versus democratizing them to many.
And my favorite part and why I love teaching so much is at the end of a quarter, when we ask them to reflect on their experience and we say, we do it because there's no metric on imagination really or transformation. So we say, look, do a simple reflection. I used to think dot, dot, dot. And now I think dot, dot, dot.
And my favorite is when they say, I used to think that imagining the future was a gene like talent only for a select few. And now I think I have what it takes to practice and get better at this. And when you hear that, you think, yes, this is about practice. This is about flight hours. Malcolm Gladwell famously said, we need 10,000 hours. Well, if we're starting at zero hours,
You know, we can make a dent in that.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. And so then how does that compare? So I think about your characterization of how we are maybe educating our young. But then as you're talking, I'm thinking about leaders who are also focused on short-term deliverables. They're thinking about the here and now maybe an 18-month product roadmap. How do you –
How do you get them in that place where they can start thinking about or incentivize them to kind of dream?
Jason, that is such an important question and such a layered question. And I will say 10 years ago when we wrote Moments of Impact, we actually have a whole chapter towards the end called Moments. Yeah, buts, overcoming the yeah, like, yeah, but that would never work here.
And we identify three patterns within almost every organization that creates at, in some ways, a best case scenario of reluctance to do this longer term exploratory thinking. And in most cases, frankly, antibodies for like, listen, we don't have time for that. Nice to have, not need to have. And the three are, first of all, exactly what you named, this short term ism.
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Chapter 8: What practices help teams prepare for uncertain futures?
That turns that doom loop, right, when you have the short-termism, politics, capability gaps in play, you get a disruptive moment like COVID. Oh, my gosh. It goes to – you're scrambling at best. Right? versus a learning org that has the robustness, that not only has the capability to really work with a challenging problem, but to get stronger as a result.
So I think obviously there's a lot of work to do there, but that would be the hope. But getting back to your core question about how do we take a longer lens, I think it takes someone that is able to credibly say, This is why it's important to take a longer length. This is why it's important to, here's a great metaphor, think like a good ancestor.
One of my absolute favorite books that I recommend all of our listeners to explore is Roman Krasnarek's The Good Ancestor. They came out a couple years ago. He is a beautiful writer talking about the importance of what he says, having a legacy mindset. really thinking as a seed planter. Again, very hard to do when you're working at a org that supports it.
But then we could sort of say, well, what are some other examples of longer term thinking? If we take a look at John F. Kennedy's first moonshot speech is a great example in the early 60s. He says, we got to put a man on the moon in the next decade. Now, even if he lived and was not tragically assassinated, a decade, he would have been out of office, right?
So even if he was elected a second term, so this ability to put a courageous longer term idea out there and then catalyze diverse groups to work towards it for a larger purpose, that's the kind of leadership that we're looking towards.
Well, and that's a certain type of leader who is interested in that kind of long-term impact that they have. And I think it must be very cool to work with folks like that who are reaching out to you and being like, look, I think that there's an opportunity for much broader impact long-term thinking.
Yeah. And Jason, I'll give you another big example. I have the great privilege of recently joining the board of an organization that was started about 26 years ago called the Long Now Foundation by Stuart Brand, who famously created the Whole Earth Catalog. And the Long Now Foundation is dedicated to long-term thinking.
So again, for those listeners interested in this, they have a treasure trove of talks of various long-term perspectives. We have a long-term about time, about society, about biology. And the Long Now Foundation was created in part to help fund the creation of a 10,000-year clock. that is nearing completion after 25 years.
And the idea behind the 10,000 year clock was to spark the imagination in a bold but concrete way of what we're capable of. So again, I think that there's lots of ways in to wedge open a longer-term conversation. But it really starts with the leader recognizing why it's important and why it's important to do when we feel so strapped for time, when we feel like we're on the back foot.
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