How Democrats Drove Silicon Valley Into Trump’s Arms
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Hey, listeners, it's Ross Douthat. We're hard at work developing my new show, which is going to be called Interesting Times, a reference to the curse disguised as a blessing, or maybe the blessing disguised as a curse. May you live in interesting times, which we are. And our first few episodes will be coming out soon. But before then, I wanted to reshare the interviews that started it all, a set of conversations that attempt to map out the new political order with some of the people at the forefront. So enjoy, and please subscribe to Interesting Times wherever you get your podcasts. From New York Times Opinion, I'm Ross Douthat.
So listeners, I'm going to be hosting some one-on-one conversations to help you, and quite frankly, me, understand the factions and the players that are likely to shape the incoming Trump administration. And today, we're going to start with Silicon Valley and the so-called tech right. I'm someone who follows politics primarily and Silicon Valley secondarily. And to me, the alliance between that industry and the Democratic Party has always seemed like a pretty solid fact of American politics. I could definitely see the leaders of the tech industry souring on certain aspects of progressive politics, especially the parts that cast them as special villains. But I really didn't expect so many figures in Silicon Valley, starting, of course, with Elon Musk, to throw their support and their money and their social media clout behind Donald Trump in 2024. My guest today is one of those tech leaders, venture capitalist Marc Andreessen. For decades, he was, in his words, a good Democrat.
But now he's been spending time at Mar-a-Lago and advising on the Trump transition. Mark Andreessen, welcome to the show. Thank you, Ross. It's great to be here. So I'll start by introducing you. You're the co-founder of the venture capital firm Andreessen Horowitz, whose portfolio includes Airbnb and over 100 AI companies. A long time ago, you co-founded Netscape, the web browser that first brought many of us to the internet in the 1990s. And just as a political matter, you supported Barack Obama for president. You voted for Hillary Clinton in 2016. And then in 2024, you supported Donald Trump. And we're going to talk about that evolution. But I wanted to start by just going way back in time to the origins of your career, because you were present for... the early days of the internet, not really the beginning of Silicon Valley itself, but the beginning of Silicon Valley as a crucial influence in American life, I would say.
And since we're talking about how the tech industry has changed, how it's interacted with big shifts in American politics, I was hoping you could just talk a little bit about what it was like for you to go from It's a small town in Wisconsin where you grew up, New Lisbon, right? Yeah, that's right. Not a large population to, let's say, the point where you were involved in selling Netscape for billions of dollars in the late 1990s.
So I'm happy to talk about all of that. I started out in rural Wisconsin in farming country, kind of basically the polar cultural opposite of Silicon Valley in many ways, and the polar political opposite for a very long time. By the way, I didn't discover until much later that I'm an archetype. Tom Wolfe wrote a famous profile of Robert Noyce, who was the original founder of Intel, the original CEO. and the father of the chip industry. And actually, Noyce and I followed very similar paths. I never met him, and he was an earlier generation, but he grew up as an Iowa farm boy. I grew up as a Wisconsin farm boy. And we and a lot of other people like us over the years have kind of made this trek. And then basically, I'm a product of the great land-grant universities, right? So the University of Illinois, Urbana-Champaign, which from where I came from was like a huge leap to actually leave the state and go to a university that large.
And they had this incredible influx of money at the time from the federal government for, you know, for supercomputers and then what turned out to be the internet. Actually, by the way, full credit, led by Al Gore when he was in the Senate. I always thought he got unfairly treated by how people describe this later, but he led the push.
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