Lace Out AFL: It's How You Want Your Footy!
Episodes
Brisbane 2023 Season Preview with James Brooks of RebelFM
07 Mar 2023
Contributed by Lukas
They have a list that has a genuine shot at the 2023 AFL premiership but do they have the mental toughness to go all the way. Peps catches up with Jam...
Collingwood 2023 Season Preview with Sly and Spook of The Collingwood Rant
05 Mar 2023
Contributed by Lukas
They won games in 2022 by the skin of their teeth and took their supporters along for an emotional ride but will the Magpies produce the same in 2023?...
Geelong 2023 Season Preview with Ben Reeve from The Hoops Show
03 Mar 2023
Contributed by Lukas
It is time for the reigning premier's season preview! Peps chats with the host of The Hoops Show, Ben Reeve, about their amazing end to 2022 and how t...
Western Bulldogs 2023 Season Preview with Matthew and Nick of The Salty Bulldog
01 Mar 2023
Contributed by Lukas
The Salty Bulldog hosts Matthew and Nick catch up with Peps about the Western Bulldogs' tough end to season 2022 and how the major player changes in a...
St. Kilda 2023 Season Preview with Jake Bertone from Saints TV
28 Feb 2023
Contributed by Lukas
Peps chats to Jake Bertone from the brilliant Saints TV for the third year running about St. Kilda's outlook for the 2023 season under new coach, Ross...
North Melbourne 2023 Season Preview with Siobhan Roe from North Talk
27 Feb 2023
Contributed by Lukas
With Clarkson back at his old club and a young, maturing list, can the Kangaroos bounce off the bottom of the ladder? Peps chats with Siobhan from the...
Gold Coast 2023 Season Preview with Thom Roker from The Roar
27 Feb 2023
Contributed by Lukas
Will the Suns shine brightly this September? Only Thom Roker knows and he joins Peps again for the 2023 Gold Coast season preview. From Ben King's r...
West Coast 2023 Season Preview with Wazza from Eagle Nation
25 Feb 2023
Contributed by Lukas
Peps is back with Wazza for the third year running to discuss the challenging season that was 2022 and how a fresh, healthy list and a list full of ex...
Fremantle 2023 Season Preview with Duck from The Purple Reign
25 Feb 2023
Contributed by Lukas
For the third year running Peps gets to chat with Duck from the brilliant Purple Reign podcast to chat about the Jackson arrival, a flying Fyfe, and F...
Carlton 2023 Season Preview with Terry Dehgani from Blue Abroad
24 Feb 2023
Contributed by Lukas
Finally, we can smell what the Blues are cooking! Will it be a 2023 Finals smorgasbord or another season of leftover scraps? Peps chats to Terry Dehga...
Hawthorn 2023 Season Preview with Daz from Talking Hawks
24 Feb 2023
Contributed by Lukas
In our first review for 2023, it's Daz from the Talking Hawks, chatting to Peps about his feelings on the youthful list's prospects for the season and...
2022 AFL Grand Final Review: They Are Geelong, The Greatest Team of All!
27 Sep 2022
Contributed by Lukas
In our final show for Season 2022, Peps and Jamie deep-dive into Geelong's 81-point demolition of the Sydney Swans in the Grand Final. We also discus...
2022 AFL Grand Final Preview: It's Going To Be A Banger Of A Game!
22 Sep 2022
Contributed by Lukas
We are finally here. The two best teams of season 2022 are going head to head to win the ultimate prize: the AFL Premiership. Peps and Jamie analyse ...
UPDATED AUDIO: AFL Semi-Finals 2022 Review: They Played An Awesome Brand of Footy!
13 Sep 2022
Contributed by Lukas
We are down to the final four after the Demons and Docker's seasons came to a close on the semi-final weekend of the 2022 AFL finals series. Peps and...
2022 AFL Finals Week One Review: Was It The Greatest First Week Of Finals Ever?
06 Sep 2022
Contributed by Lukas
Was it the greatest first week of AFL finals football as the title of this episode asks? Jamie and Peps think so as they get stuck into reviewing the ...
Tipped Out's AFL Finals Week One Tips
01 Sep 2022
Contributed by Lukas
It's time for the big boys to stand up and there are none bigger than Jamie and Peps. They are here with their tips for all four games for this weeken...
2022 AFL Round Twenty Three Review: Where Are The Mad Monday Stories?
23 Aug 2022
Contributed by Lukas
Peps and Jamie get stuck into the final nine games of season 2022 and the massive ramifications for those who won and lost. From the Collingwood-Carl...
Tipped Out's Round Twenty Three Tips
18 Aug 2022
Contributed by Lukas
It is the last round for season 2022 and it may be the one with the highest stakes for most teams on the AFL ladder. Peps and Jamie have given their ...
2022 AFL Round Twenty Two Review: They Have Been Irrelevant for 20 Years
16 Aug 2022
Contributed by Lukas
The second last round of 2022 had just as many moments off the field as it did on it. The fallout from the Marvel massacre, the destruction derby in ...
2022 AFL Round Twenty One Review: What A Way To Finish Your Career!
09 Aug 2022
Contributed by Lukas
Twenty-One Rounds into the 2002 AFL Season and the feeling of finals excitement is just around the corner. But before we head into September, Peps re...
Tipped Out's AFL Round Twenty One Tips
04 Aug 2022
Contributed by Lukas
Three weeks to go and the 2022 season is heading for a barnstorming finish. Peps and Jamie have locked in their tips for Round 21 and let's say that ...
2022 AFL Round 20 Review: Right Now, They Are The Bo Derek's Of The AFL!
02 Aug 2022
Contributed by Lukas
Round 20 of the 2022 AFL Season was a cracker and after another nine games, we are still yet to lock in the top four and final eight. Jamie and Peps ...
Tipped Out's AFL Round Twenty Tips
29 Jul 2022
Contributed by Lukas
Four rounds to go and the race for the top four, top eight and number one draft pick is hotting up. Peps and Jamie have locked in their tips for roun...
2022 AFL Round Nineteen Review: That Was As Pure A Kick You'll Ever See!
26 Jul 2022
Contributed by Lukas
As Borat once said; "Wah-wah wee-wah"! That was how you could describe the cracking round nineteen games of the 2022 AFL season. Peps and Jamie look ...
Tipped Out's AFL Round Nineteen Tips
21 Jul 2022
Contributed by Lukas
Five Rounds to go for Season 2022 and that means Peps and Jamie need to be on-point with their tips for Round 19. Check out their selections in the la...
2022 AFL Round Eighteen Review: They Are The Premiership Favorites, No Questions Asked!
19 Jul 2022
Contributed by Lukas
Round 18 of the 2022 AFL Season has passed and we still have no idea who wants to play finals football. Peps welcomes back Jamie back into the co-hos...
Tipped Out's AFL Round Eighteen Tips
14 Jul 2022
Contributed by Lukas
Host Chris Pepper is back with his and co-host Jamie Wallis' tips for a season shaping Round Eighteen of the 2022 AFL season, including the battle for...
AFL Round Seventeen 2022 Review: That's Why Aussie Rules Is The Best Sport In The World
12 Jul 2022
Contributed by Lukas
For the Round 17 review of the 2022 AFL season, Peps is going solo for this one and doesn't he hold back on the nine games that have again shaken up t...
AFL Round Sixteen 2022 Review: They Remind Me of Fitzroy During Their Last Season But Worse
05 Jul 2022
Contributed by Lukas
It was a round filled with thrillers, upsets, and a thrashing; and there is no one better than the Lace Out team of Peps and Jamie to pick it apart. ...
Tipped Out's AFL Round Sixteen Tips
01 Jul 2022
Contributed by Lukas
With eight rounds to go in the 2022 AFL Season, the race for the eight and top four is tightening up. Peps and Jamie give their expert opinions on who...
AFL Round Fifteen 2022 Review: Started With A Belting; Ended With A Belter!
28 Jun 2022
Contributed by Lukas
We dubbed Round 15 "Footypalooza" and it did not disappoint. Peps and Jamie discuss the weekend of action including the game of the year, the Tom Stew...
Tipped Out's AFL Round Fifteen Tips: It's Footypalooza!
23 Jun 2022
Contributed by Lukas
Peps and Jamie have their tips in for Round 15 of the 2022 AFL season which we have dubbed Footypalooza!Hosted By Christopher Pepper and Jamie WallisC...
AFL Round Fourteen 2022 Review: He Isn't Their Best Player, He Is The Club!
21 Jun 2022
Contributed by Lukas
There may have been only six games in Round 14 but it was a case of quality over quantity this week. Peps and Jamie are getting right into the footy ...
Round 13 AFL Review: I Can't Believe We Got Cox'd!
14 Jun 2022
Contributed by Lukas
It may have been another bye round but there were plenty of talking points to come out of Round 13 of the 2022 AFL season. Peps and Jamie look into th...
AFL Round Twelve 2022 Review: They Were Manic and Your Team Panicked
07 Jun 2022
Contributed by Lukas
Round 12 of the 2022 AFL season may have been the first of the bye rounds but it was a case of quality over quantity. Peps and Jamie get stuck into th...
Tipped Out's AFL Round 12 Tips
02 Jun 2022
Contributed by Lukas
Peps and Jamie have their selections locked in for Round 12, the first of the bye rounds for season 2022.Hosted By Christopher Pepper and Jamie Wallis...
AFL Round Eleven 2022 Review: You Cannot Have Three People With An Emotional Attachment To The Club Run The Review
31 May 2022
Contributed by Lukas
What a great Round Eleven of footy and your favourite duo of Peps and Jamie are back to discuss it at length. The lads get into the Essendon review a...
Tipped Out's AFL Round 11 Tips
26 May 2022
Contributed by Lukas
Peps is pumped to have his old mate Jamie back on the mic so they can give you their tips for a huge Round 11 of AFL footy.Hosted By Christopher Peppe...
AFL Round Ten 2022 Review: The AFL Have Had Their Head In The Sand For Over 20 Years!
24 May 2022
Contributed by Lukas
The Demons are the perfect 10, who is responsible for player issues once they leave the AFL system, another disastrous day for North Melbourne, the Ha...
Tipped Out's AFL Round Ten Tips
19 May 2022
Contributed by Lukas
Peps and Jamie have locked in their tips for Round 10 of the 2022 AFL Season.Hosted By Christopher Pepper and Jamie WallisCheck out Lace Out's Faceboo...
AFL Round Nine 2022 Review: Is He A Captain You'd Run Through A Brick Wall For?
17 May 2022
Contributed by Lukas
Round Nine is in the books and that means Peps and Jamie are back with their review of a cracking week on and off the field. From Leon Cameron's depa...
Tipped Out's AFL Round Nine Tips
12 May 2022
Contributed by Lukas
Peps and Jamie have their tips in for Round Nine of the 2022 AFL Season and once again, they don't agree on who is winning this week.Hosted By Christo...
UPDATED EPISODE: AFL Round Eight 2022 Review: I Just Want To Know What His Endgame Is
10 May 2022
Contributed by Lukas
What a banger Round Eight was in the AFL. Peps and Jamie get stuck into the massive Essendon and Gold Coast wind, David Noble's feedback issue, West ...
Tipped Out's AFL Round Eight Tips
05 May 2022
Contributed by Lukas
Peps and Jamie give their tips for Round Eight of the 2022 AFL season.Hosted By Christopher Pepper and Jamie WallisCheck out Lace Out's Facebook page ...
AFL Round Seven 2022 Review: Don't Throw Stones in Glasshouses Jack!
03 May 2022
Contributed by Lukas
Jamie and Peps get down and dirty with all the big news out of Round Seven of the 2022 AFL Season. From the worst seven-goal performance seen this ye...
Tipped Out's AFL Round Seven Tips
28 Apr 2022
Contributed by Lukas
Peps is back with his and Jamie's tips for a massive Round Seven of AFL Action.Hosted By Christopher Pepper and Jamie WallisCheck out Lace Out's Faceb...
AFL Round Six 2022 Review: Don't Talk To Me Like That!
26 Apr 2022
Contributed by Lukas
The boys are back after a week off and what a Round Six of AFL footy it was. Peps and Jamie get stuck into everything from the AFL's trip to the USA ...
Tipped Out's AFL Round Six Tips
21 Apr 2022
Contributed by Lukas
Peps is going solo with his tips for Round Six in this episode of Lace Out.
2022 AFL Round Four Review: Gotta love a couple of upsets!
12 Apr 2022
Contributed by Lukas
"It was a bump, not a brace" That's not the only controversial statement made in the Round Four Review by Jamie towards Peps in this episode. Also dis...
2022 AFL Round Three Review: There's Nothing Better Than Forwards Kicking Snags!
05 Apr 2022
Contributed by Lukas
Round Three in the AFL was a belter with comebacks, blowouts, and heartbreak affecting any of the nine games. Peps and Jamie discuss Port's Showdown d...
2022 Western Bulldogs Season Preview with Luke Parker
03 Apr 2022
Contributed by Lukas
It is our final season preview and the Western Bulldogs are in the firing line. Peps and Luke discuss what went wrong in the Grand Final and if this ...
AFL Round Two 2022 Review: It Was Their Worst Performance Since the 2007 Grand Final
29 Mar 2022
Contributed by Lukas
Strap yourself in as Jamie explodes after Port Adelaide's power outage against the Hawks, which was meant to celebrate the life of club legend Russel ...
2022 AFL Round One Review: They Continually Do Your Head In!
23 Mar 2022
Contributed by Lukas
Finally, the real stuff has started and so has Peps and Jamie's analysis of Round One of AFL action... sort of! It was a cracking start to the season...
A Chat With... Tim Costello: Sports Gambling Has Changed The Way We Watch Footy
22 Mar 2022
Contributed by Lukas
In this special episode of 'A Chat With...', host of Lace Out, Chris Pepper, talks to Tim Costello, the former Chief Executive of World Vision Austral...
2022 Adelaide Season Preview with Lauren and Sam from Here We Crow
21 Mar 2022
Contributed by Lukas
In our seventeenth Season Preview, the Adelaide Crows are under the microscope and it is Lauren and Sam, from the Here We Crow podcast, who are going ...
2022 Port Adelaide Season Preview with The Portress Podcast
18 Mar 2022
Contributed by Lukas
In our sweet sixteenth Season Preview, It is Craig, Matty, and Craig, from The Portress Podcast, chatting to Peps about how the Power will surge towar...
Season 2022 Kick-Off: We Are Back!
14 Mar 2022
Contributed by Lukas
We are back baby! In our first show for 2022, Peps and Jamie get stuck into all the off-season events, rule changes, their Round One tips, prediction...
2022 Geelong Season Preview with Josh Barnes of The Geelong Advertiser
14 Mar 2022
Contributed by Lukas
It is Season Preview number fifteen and it is the Geelong Football Club under the microscope. Josh Barnes, from The Geelong Advertiser, stops past fo...
2022 Hawthorn Season Preview with Matty and Daz from Talking Hawks
12 Mar 2022
Contributed by Lukas
In Season Preview fourteen, it is Matty and Daz from the Talking Hawks, chatting to Peps about their feelings on the Clarkson/Mitchell transition, and...
2022 Collingwood Season Preview with Sly and Spook from The Collingwood Rant
09 Mar 2022
Contributed by Lukas
It's our twelfth Season Preview and it is a ripper. Peps chats to Sly and Spook for The Collingwood Rant about the Craig McRae led Magpies, the gamep...
2022 Gold Coast Suns Season Preview with Thom Roker
08 Mar 2022
Contributed by Lukas
It's episode thirteen in our Season Preview series and Peps is very lucky to be chatting to the all-knowing Thom Roker, who predicts the Suns making t...
2022 Melbourne Season Preview with Peter Molan from the Deewatch Podcast
08 Mar 2022
Contributed by Lukas
In our eleventh Season Preview for 2022, Peps is excited to chat to Peter Molan, from the Deewatch Podcast about their admiration of the Demons, and i...
2022 Essendon Season Preview with Scott McNeice from The Lunchtime Catch-Up
06 Mar 2022
Contributed by Lukas
In the tenth Season Preview, Scott from The Lunchtime Catch-Up podcast tells Peps that he has big expectations for the Bombers, and believes they are ...
2022 Fremantle Season Preview with The Duck from Purple Reign
06 Mar 2022
Contributed by Lukas
For our ninth Season Preview for 2022, The Duck from the popular Purple Reign podcast chats to Peps about his team's lofty ambitions for the year and ...
2022 Sydney Swans Season Preview with Hugh Robertson from The Roar
04 Mar 2022
Contributed by Lukas
In our eighth 2022 Season Preview, Peps has a chat with Hugh Robertson from The Roar, about a resurgent Swans outfit looking to strike fear into the t...
2022 North Melbourne Season Preview Ross from North Talk
03 Mar 2022
Contributed by Lukas
In our seventh 2022 Season Preview, it is Ross Payne from the North Talk, chatting to Peps about how the Kangaroos young yet hungry squad are going to...
2022 Brisbane Season Preview with James Brooks
02 Mar 2022
Contributed by Lukas
In our sixth Season Preview for 2022, Peps chats to James Brooks about the Lions not only roaring back into another finals series but to become kings ...
2022 West Coast Season Preview with Wazza King from Eagle Nation
01 Mar 2022
Contributed by Lukas
In Season Preview number five, it's the West Coast Eagles under the microscope as Wazza from the Eagle Nation podcast chats to Peps. Will the Eagles ...
2022 Richmond Season Preview with Nick from Tiger Talk
28 Feb 2022
Contributed by Lukas
In the fourth of our 2022 Season Previews, Nick Cumpston, from the Tiger Talk podcast chats to Peps about how the Tigers will bounce back into Septemb...
2022 St. Kilda Season Preview with Jake Bertone from SaintsTV
27 Feb 2022
Contributed by Lukas
In the third of our 2022 Season Previews, Jake Bertone sits down for a chat with Peps about the upcoming season for the Saints. Will it be a return t...
2022 Greater Western Sydney Season Preview with PMBangers from Reddit
24 Feb 2022
Contributed by Lukas
In the second of our 2022 Season Previews, Peps chats to PMBangers (a.k.a Declan Reeve) about the Greater Western Sydney Giants and if the big, big, s...
2022 Carlton Season Preview with Terry from Blue Abroard
23 Feb 2022
Contributed by Lukas
In the first of Lace Out's 2022 Season Previews, Peps teams up with Terry Dehghani from the brilliant Blue Abroad. Make sure to check out Blue Abroad...
Happy New Year from Peps and J-Dog!
31 Dec 2021
Contributed by Lukas
We've had a massive year yet in 2021, and 2022 will be the biggest and best with our wonderful listeners joining us for our fifth season.
In The Beginning I Watched A Small Snippet And Now I Am Obsessed!: A Chat with Rosanna from the AFL Obsessed Podcast
08 Dec 2021
Contributed by Lukas
In this episode of "A Chat With...", Peps chats with Rosanna from the AFL Obsessed, who hosts her own AFL podcast from New York City, USA!Rosanna talk...
The AFL's Blockbuster Round One 2022 Announcement!
03 Dec 2021
Contributed by Lukas
Find out who your team plays in Round One of the 2022 AFL Season as it's first week fixture ia announced!Hosted By Christopher Pepper and Jamie Wallis...
2021 AFL Season Review: It's Our Final Show
05 Oct 2021
Contributed by Lukas
It's our final show of the year and by far our biggest as Peps and Jamie are joined by members of the Lace Out community to chat about a massive 2021 ...
2021 AFL Grand Final Review: The Demons Are Premiers!
28 Sep 2021
Contributed by Lukas
Is Peps alive? Has he survived the Demons AFL Grand Final victory over the Bulldogs? How many times has he watched the replay? Peps and Jamie talk ab...
2021 AFL Grand Final Preview
23 Sep 2021
Contributed by Lukas
It's time for the biggest game of the year and that means the biggest AFL Grand Final preview from the Lace Out team. Peps previews his all-conquerin...
2021 AFL Grand Final Week Edition
21 Sep 2021
Contributed by Lukas
It's AFL Grand Final Week and Peps is starting to get a little nervous as in five days time his Demons take on the Bulldogs in the final game of the s...
AFL Preliminary Finals 2021 Review
14 Sep 2021
Contributed by Lukas
One host is ecstatic, the other is distraught. It was a weekend full of records, tears and now the Demons and Bulldogs are heading to the 2021 AFL Gra...
Tipped Out's 2021 AFL Preliminary Finals Preview
09 Sep 2021
Contributed by Lukas
And then there were four. It is the people's weekend and Peps and Jamie are pumped for the two games that will setup the 2021 AFL Grand Final. Sit d...
AFL Finals 2021 Week Two Review
07 Sep 2021
Contributed by Lukas
What an exciting second week of the AFL finals and the Lace Out team of Peps and Jamie discuss the all the on and off-field action. From the Brisbane...
Tipped Out's 2021 AFL Finals Week Two Preview
02 Sep 2021
Contributed by Lukas
If you thought week one was good, week two of the 2021 AFL Finals is sure to be a ripper as well. Peps and Jamie get stuck into both games and pick th...
AFL Finals 2021 Week One Review
31 Aug 2021
Contributed by Lukas
It was a cracking week one of AFL Finals football and that means Peps and Jamie are all over the games and news coming out of the four games. From To...
Tipped Out's 2021 AFL Finals Week One Preview
26 Aug 2021
Contributed by Lukas
It doesn't get bigger than the AFL Finals and we've taken out weekly preview to the next level. Peps and Jamie take an in-depth look into each the fou...
AFL Round Twenty Three 2021 Review
24 Aug 2021
Contributed by Lukas
After 23 rounds, 198 games, three draws, we have narrowed the field from 18 down to eight to contest the 2021 AFL Finals series. But before it begins...
Tipped Out's AFL Round Twenty Three Tips
19 Aug 2021
Contributed by Lukas
The final tipping round for 2021 which means Peps and Jamie have analysed the form to make sure your a winner during Round 23.Hosted By Christopher Pe...
AFL Round Twenty Two 2021 Review
17 Aug 2021
Contributed by Lukas
Finally, it looks like the final eight is set... or is it? Round 22 was full of retirements, the Carlton saga continues, a $1700 robot vacuum, the Gi...
Tipped Out's AFL Round Twenty Two Tips
12 Aug 2021
Contributed by Lukas
With two weeks to go in the regular season and spots in the final eight still up for grabs, Peps and Jamie have tipped their teams for Round 22.Hosted...
AFL Round Twenty One 2021 Review
11 Aug 2021
Contributed by Lukas
Not even lightning bolts, sling tackles, raised elbows or mammoth contracts are going to prevent the Round 21 review from the Lace Out Team of Peps an...
Tipped Out's AFL Round Twenty One Tips
05 Aug 2021
Contributed by Lukas
With only three rounds left in season 2021, Peps and Jamie are putting it all on the line to make sure you get the best tips for Round 21.Hosted By Ch...
AFL Round Twenty 2021 Review
03 Aug 2021
Contributed by Lukas
Not even the second weeks of the Olympics or Covid-19 could stop Round 20 of the AFL. Peps and Jamie get into Clarko's break-up with Hawthorn, West C...
Tipped Out's AFL Round Twenty Tips
29 Jul 2021
Contributed by Lukas
The Olympics may still be dominating the sporting landscape but Tipped Out with Peps and Jamie will ensure you dominate your Round 20 footy tipping!Ho...
AFL Round Nineteen 2021 Review
27 Jul 2021
Contributed by Lukas
Even with the Olympics taking over the sporting landscape, there is still plenty of AFL news to come out of Round 19. Peps and Jamie discuss the Carl...
Tipped Out's AFL Round Nineteen Tips
22 Jul 2021
Contributed by Lukas
With so many games going decide the final eight and top four slots on the ladder, Peps and Jamie are pumped for Round 19 in the latest Tipped Out epis...
AFL Round Eighteen 2021 Review
20 Jul 2021
Contributed by Lukas
A ripping weekend of games and a season that is on the brink of collapse are hot on the agenda in Lace Out's Round 18 review of the 2021 AFL season.Ho...
Tipped Out's AFL Round Eighteen Tips
16 Jul 2021
Contributed by Lukas
Can Peps continue his massive upset predictions in Round 18 or will Jamie take the top spot from his co-host? Find out in Tipped Out's freshest episo...
AFL Round Seventeen 2021 Review
13 Jul 2021
Contributed by Lukas
What a weekend of footy! Peps and Jamie chat about the upsets that have thrown the top eight into chaos, the brilliant wins by North Melbourne, Gold ...
Tipped Out's AFL Round Seventeen Tips
08 Jul 2021
Contributed by Lukas
Hosted By Christopher Pepper and Jamie WallisCheck out Lace Out's Facebook page and Merchandise!Broadcasting LIVE every Tuesday night @ 8pm (AEST)#its...
AFL Round Sixteen 2021 Review
06 Jul 2021
Contributed by Lukas
What a round of shocks! The top eight still isn't locked in, Mitchell to take over from Clarkson, Hocking leaves the AFL, West Coast are putrid out of...