Laps Down Podcast
Episodes
F1 Is Fixed?; Kyle Busch Lost It On JHN; Indy 500 Testing Takeaways
05 May 2026
Contributed by Lukas
Taking a break from scrolling endless photos of Carson Hocevar at the Met Gala, the Laps Down gals tell you all about the surprising F1 race in Miami,...
Carson Hocevar Saved Talladega; IndyCar Charters A Mistake?; F1 Crime Story
28 Apr 2026
Contributed by Lukas
On this episode we talk all about the controversial decision that was made regarding non-chartered cars in IndyCar, as well as the crimes being commit...
Lapped Traffic w/ Buddy Pulley | CARS Tour and NASCAR Content Creator
23 Apr 2026
Contributed by Lukas
We are so excited to welcome this weeks guest on Lapped Traffic, Buddy Pulley! Buddy is one of our favorite content creators and in this episode he gi...
IndyCar Push to Pass Scandal; Kyle Busch Calls Out Denny; F1 Rule Change
21 Apr 2026
Contributed by Lukas
This week we cover the JUICY story coming out of the Long Beach Grand Prix, besides Alex Palou’s win, as well as the ending of Kansas NASCAR race th...
Ty Gibbs Overhated?; Indy 500 Rumors; Lewis Hamilton Intervention Needed
15 Apr 2026
Contributed by Lukas
We appreciate your patience as we are a day late on Laps Down this week, but we are excited to give you all the off-week news for F1 and IndyCar, incl...
Lapped Traffic with Maddi Gordon | NHRA Top Fuel
09 Apr 2026
Contributed by Lukas
Lapped Traffic is back and better than ever, with Maddi Gordon! Maddi is a rising star in NHRA Top Fuel driving for Carlyle Tools/Ron Capps Motorsport...
The Mercedes Alpha Battle; Scotty Mac Not Off Scot Free; Elliott Got Lucky?
31 Mar 2026
Contributed by Lukas
A packed weekend of racing means a packed episode of Laps Down, where this week we talk about the IndyCar race at stunning Barber and the win for Chas...
NASCAR Gone Wild; Indy 500 an Unc Off?; Adrian Newey FIRED
24 Mar 2026
Contributed by Lukas
Has the NASCAR broadcast gone out of control? Potentially! The Laps Down girls discuss if the honored tradition of Darlington went a little off the ra...
Kyle Kirkwood Championship Fighter?; McLaren Shady About Mercedes Engine; Ex-Teammate Drama in NASCAR
17 Mar 2026
Contributed by Lukas
This week we talk about the IndyCar Grand Prix of Arlington, and the success of the race as well as the amazing race we saw from the new championship ...
Desert Double and Penske Sweep; “Freedom” “250” Track Layout; F1 Silencing Fans
10 Mar 2026
Contributed by Lukas
FOR THE FIRST TIME EVER, MJ and Andrea are in the same room filming a podcast!! We were boots on the ground this week in Phoenix for the Desert Double...
Alex Palou Will Be Stopped; Tyler Reddick Win Scripted; F1 Has Disappeared
03 Mar 2026
Contributed by Lukas
*Sorry for the jump cuts, my cat was being really bad while I was filming* -AndreaLaps Down recaps the first IndyCar race of the year, and we are not ...
IndyCar Officiating Changes are a Lie; F1 Engine Ruling Unfair; 23XI Mogs NASCAR
24 Feb 2026
Contributed by Lukas
Atlanta once again delivered a banger of a race, and somehow Tyler Reddick does the impossible and wins at both drafting tracks to start the season. W...
Daytona 500 Fuel-Saving Snoozer?;Max Verstappen Hates the New Car; Future IndyCar Engine News
17 Feb 2026
Contributed by Lukas
What a great week for motorsports news, we cover all the drama of Daytona, including the heartbreaking Duels and the possibly purposeful crashes. We a...
IndyCar “Freedom” 250; Carson Hocevar Re-Signs to Spire, Bowman Gray is Great (Please Keep It)
09 Feb 2026
Contributed by Lukas
The Laps Down girls get a little serious on this episode about the IndyCar "Freedom" 250 and the Executive Order signed by "President&q...
IndyCar Commercials A Miss?; Rolex 24 Recap; Williams Is A Mess; Bowman Gray Preview
27 Jan 2026
Contributed by Lukas
In the Season 3 Premiere, we cover all the biggest motorsports stories in IMSA, IndyCar, F1, and NASCAR. This week we recap the Rolex 24 at Daytona an...
2026 Motorsports Predictions
12 Jan 2026
Contributed by Lukas
We are busting out our crystal ball and predicting all the major headlines of 2026 in motorsports. We cover NASCAR and their new playoff format, who t...
The 2025 Laps Down Awards
06 Jan 2026
Contributed by Lukas
THE BIGGEST NIGHT IN MOTORSPORTS IS HERE! And by "THE BIGGEST NIGHT IN MOTORSPORTS" we mean a random Monday night where MJ and Andrea sit do...
The Divorce Episode: Reacting to Our 2025 Motorsports Predictions
23 Dec 2025
Contributed by Lukas
Last year we made some of the most ill-informed insane motorsports predictions, and surprisingly some of them were right! More of them however were wr...
Laps Down Movie Club: F1 The Movie
16 Dec 2025
Contributed by Lukas
We forgot to mention in this video how bad this title is, but we do cover everything else we love and hate about the blockbuster film, “F1 The Movie...
We Were Wrong About Lando Norris, MJ Beefing with Bob Pockrass, Stingray Claps Back
09 Dec 2025
Contributed by Lukas
We of course cover the F1 finale in Abu Dhabi with Lando Norris being crowned a victor, but first we cover the NASCAR drama, the IndyCar silly news, a...
Playoffs Ruin Another Motorsport (Not Clickbait); NASCAR Goes to Court; Oscar Piastri Speechless
02 Dec 2025
Contributed by Lukas
We of course talk about the snooze fest of the Qatar Grand Prix and how McLaren is once again giving away the WDC, and we direct the SuperCars seaso...
Haas Vegas Advantages Verstappen, Mick Schumacher to IndyCar, NASCAR Lawsuit
25 Nov 2025
Contributed by Lukas
We are SOOO back with Las Vegas GP, Indycar silly season, and NASCAR lawsuits. ALSO BONUS talk about Halo, the Sky Sports “Little Sister” LAPS DO...
Lando Wrapping It Up; IndyCar Rookie Signed; SVG and the 97
10 Nov 2025
Contributed by Lukas
A slim Monday episode with a F1 Brazil GP recap, and update on our feelings about the championship, and some IndyCar and NASCAR news. ALSO a little bi...
(Jesse) Love It Or Not, Kyle Larson is the Champion
04 Nov 2025
Contributed by Lukas
The definitive Laps Down Podcast episode on our playoff feelings, how we feel as conductors of the Denny Hamlin Bandwagon, and other random bits of F1...
Oscar Piastri Has Got No Support; No Logano Championship; Supercars Finals Heartbreak
27 Oct 2025
Contributed by Lukas
MJ leaves Andrea hanging for halloween, but she pays it back by listening to Andrea complain about Oscar Piastri. They also discuss Pato’s appearanc...
Redbull Caught Cheating; Talladega Playoff Pressure; Rinus to JHR
21 Oct 2025
Contributed by Lukas
The F1 race was PACKED with drama, with McLarens taking each other out, a three way title fight, and of course a cheating scandal to top it off! We al...
Lapped Traffic w/Taylor Kitchen: Working in Motorsports; Journalism vs Content Creation; NASCAR Rebrand
20 Oct 2025
Contributed by Lukas
This week we could not be more excited and honored to have the one and only TAYLOR KITCHEN on an episode of Lapped Traffic. One of the most respected ...
Mick Schumacher in IndyCar; Emotional Denny Win; Bathurst World’s Best Race
14 Oct 2025
Contributed by Lukas
Late Night on Saturday watching Petit Le Mans AND Bathurst, and we also covered the Las Vegas race for NASCAR with massive playoff implications. And j...
Ross Possessed by the Spirit of the Roval; George Russell Deserves Better; IndyCar Testing
07 Oct 2025
Contributed by Lukas
We talk all about the down to the last lap excitement of the playoff cutoff race at the Charlotte Roval, as well as the championship defining race at ...
*1 Year of Laps Down* Denny Hamlin Bandwagon Derailed?; Dale Coyne Making Big Moves; F1 Academy Collab
30 Sep 2025
Contributed by Lukas
In total Laps Down style we celebrate our 1 year with a giggly episode, MJ being sick and saying goofy fever dream type stuff, and some racing news. W...
Piastri and Hamlin Crumbling; Malukas Matured to Penske?; IMSA Pinnacle of Motorsports
23 Sep 2025
Contributed by Lukas
What a busy weekend in motorsports! Laps Down talks about the absolute masterclass Oscar and Lando put on in Baku on ruining a championship run, and w...
IndyCar Fumbled Mexico City; Bristol Butter Tires; SuperCars at The Bend
16 Sep 2025
Contributed by Lukas
This week we talk ABOUT EVERYTHING, including F1, IndyCar, NASCAR AND SUPERCARS. I know, I cant believe it either. Perks of being a Tuesday podcast is...
Hating Haas and the Anti-American Bias; The Denny Bandwagon
09 Sep 2025
Contributed by Lukas
This episode covers the Monza McLaren schinanigans and the cringe taglines Denny used after his win at Gateway! Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/...
IndyCar Silly Season (Try Not To Cry Challenge)
06 Sep 2025
Contributed by Lukas
SURPRISE EPISODE! We just had too much to talk about with IndyCar this week we could not possibly do it in our normal episode, hope you don’t mind! ...
IndyCar Needs More Ovals; Ferrari vs Banking; Briscoe Bored Us
02 Sep 2025
Contributed by Lukas
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/lapsdownpod/Email: [email protected]’s SocialsTikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@mj_duffy?_t=ZP-8tz284...
Rasmussen Reigns on Ovals; Kyle Larson Ruined Playoffs (For Us); IndyCar on Deux Moi
25 Aug 2025
Contributed by Lukas
This week is a an episode of epic highs and lows of motorsports, from friend of the pod Christian Rasmussen getting his first IndyCar win and many of ...
We Fixed the Playoffs;Supercars Invasion of NASCAR;Below Deck F1 Edition
18 Aug 2025
Contributed by Lukas
No F1? No Problem! Laps Down has got you this week with NASCAR in Richmond, a lively debate about playoffs, and the introduction of SuperCars to our p...
Mclaren Sabotage; Fox IndyCar Deal; Byron Caught Lying About Fuel
04 Aug 2025
Contributed by Lukas
I hope you are hungry for a Hungarian GP recap, as well as our reaction and thought on the IndyCar and Fox deal and the Iowa NASCAR race. Instagram: ...
Bubba Silences Facebook Commenters; Lewis Hamilton Not The Issue; Who Needs Yellow Flags Anyways?
28 Jul 2025
Contributed by Lukas
Maybe Spa and Laguna Seca were kinda tame races, but there is still plenty to talk about in our recaps. We also had a cinematic Brickyard 400 that end...
Lapped Traffic w/ Disha: Mental Health and Pressure in Motorsports
23 Jul 2025
Contributed by Lukas
Welcome to another episode of Lapped Traffic, a fun bonus episode with some of MJ and Andrea’s closest motorsports friends. Our inner circle, or inn...
Dream IndyCar Podium?; Monster Mile Madness; F1 to Apple TV
21 Jul 2025
Contributed by Lukas
A sleepy and poorly lit episode means it will be a good one! This week we talk all thing Toronto and Dover and spend ample time giggling about nothing...
Too Many NASCAR Road Courses?; Iowa Proves Haters Wrong, Christian Horner Gone
16 Jul 2025
Contributed by Lukas
After a tense favorite superhero bit, you can tell Andrea and MJ mean business this week. They cover the IndyCar Iowa double-header that they were boo...
Scott Dixon is SO BACK; Oscar Finally Gets Mad; SVG Takes Over Chicago
07 Jul 2025
Contributed by Lukas
Please excuse random hard cuts, Andrea was having tech issues…again. What an amazing weekend with lots of Laps Down favs winning in IndyCar and NASC...
Should Lando Have a Grandstand?; Saving IndyCar in Iowa; Atlanta Had a Big One
30 Jun 2025
Contributed by Lukas
The Austrian Grand Prix offered a bit of a mix up in the midfield and lots of drama covered in this episode. We also weigh the ESPY Best Driver award ...
Fuel Saving Showdown; Will Power Is a Problem; Valtteri Bottas To Cadillac
23 Jun 2025
Contributed by Lukas
No F1 this week but we were able to still cook up some crazy rumors, like VB to Caddy and JV staying at Williams. We also recap a crazy Road America I...
Can Lando Handle Pressure?; IndyCar is ON FIRE; SVG Is Not Your Enemy
18 Jun 2025
Contributed by Lukas
This week we cover Le Mans as a special 4th series, particularly all of the fun facts MJ gathered. We also talk about the McLaren drama and the disres...
Laps Down Movie Club: “American Thunder: NASCAR to Le Mans”
16 Jun 2025
Contributed by Lukas
In the first ever installment of Laps Down Movie Club, MJ and Andrea watch “American Thunder: NASCAR to Le Mans”. This documentary on Amazon Prime...
Best Race of the NASCAR Season?; Super License Sucks; Le Man Preview
09 Jun 2025
Contributed by Lukas
In a more normal length episode, we talk about the amazing Michigan NASCAR race and the truck race that came before it. We also talk about the Scott D...
Addressing the Carson Hocevar Hate; Pato Hates Detroit; Max’s Crimes Against George
03 Jun 2025
Contributed by Lukas
We accidentally filmed our longest episode yet, because tensions are running high across F1, IndyCar, AND NASCAR. The Spanish Grand Prix ended with on...
WE DID THE TRIPLE; Monaco Let Down; Palou Can Do Ovals Now; Coke 600 Insanely Long
26 May 2025
Contributed by Lukas
Andrea and MJ are too tired to function after a crazy day of the triple, and surely too tired to write show notes. Enjoy their recap of the Monaco Gra...
Lapped Traffic w/Christian Rasmussen: Indy 500 Hype; Viral Video Fame; Pitch to be Fan Favorite
21 May 2025
Contributed by Lukas
Viral Go-Karting Video (for reference): How to park a gokartWelcome to another episode of Lapped Traffic, a fun bonus episode with some of MJ and Andr...
Indy 500 Qualifying; Penske Cheating Again?; Safety Cars and Drama of Imola
19 May 2025
Contributed by Lukas
The lead up to the biggest weekend in motorsports is upon us! In this episode we cover all the ups and downs of the two day Indy 500 qualifying, inclu...
Horner is Fired?; Indy 500 Beginners Guide; Kyle Larson Month of May Reign Begins
12 May 2025
Contributed by Lukas
Another race weekend, another episode! In this week’s episode, Laps Down covers the latest Formula 1, IndyCar, and NASCAR news. We cover the Alpine ...
The Two Papaya Wars; Alpine Driver Swap; Hocevar and Preece Are Tearing Us Apart
07 May 2025
Contributed by Lukas
Better late than never! This week we filmed our episode late enough that the F1 and NASCAR news came out BEFORE we finished recording, for the first t...
Laps Down Book Club: We Read an F1 Romance
05 May 2025
Contributed by Lukas
In the first ever installment of Laps Down Book Review, MJ and Andrea read Offtrack by Esha Patel. This book part of a growing number of F1 romances t...
Talladega Tears; Indy 500 Testing, Redbull Leadership Change
28 Apr 2025
Contributed by Lukas
MJ and Andrea had a lot of thoughts on the Talladega Xfinity and Cup race and cover the highs and many lows they experienced (not including the DQs th...
Lapped Traffic w/ Marlee: IndyCar and John Green; Musical Motorsports Cross-Over; Crafty Content Queen
23 Apr 2025
Contributed by Lukas
Welcome to another episode of Lapped Traffic, a fun bonus episode with some of MJ and Andrea’s closest motorsports friends. Our inner circle, or inn...
Double WOINTS; Another Kyle Larson Rule; Katherine Legge Did Nothing Wrong
21 Apr 2025
Contributed by Lukas
Just F1 this week, because NASCAR had the nerve to take the week off and IndyCar never races. MJ and Andrea talk about the Saudi Arabia Grand Prix as ...
Goodyear on Fraud Watch, Penske Washed (IndyCar Edition), Ollie Real DOTD
14 Apr 2025
Contributed by Lukas
If I told you that F1 had the most on track action of all of these motorsports, would you believe me? Well they did! MJ and Andrea cover all of the ac...
McLaren is Blowing It; Blaney is Cursed; Booing Makes Hamlin Stronger
07 Apr 2025
Contributed by Lukas
Japan was a bit of a parade on track but MJ and Andrea discuss all of the fun that happens off track in the weekend of F1. They also covered the drama...
No One Watches IndyCar; Max Ruined Redbull; 11 Against The World
30 Mar 2025
Contributed by Lukas
MJ and Andrea are still in disbelief that Liam has been replaced by Yuki this soon in the season but they also offer their insightful analysis of the ...
Penske Washed; Ferrari WCC Over; Scotty Mac VS Devlin
24 Mar 2025
Contributed by Lukas
We had THREE RACES this week, including a Indycar race in Thermal that ended in a heated exchange between drivers. MJ and Andrea also cover the Chines...
Lapped Traffic w/ Jon: NASCAR Tubi Channel’s #2 Viewer; F1 Hot Take; and Daytona 500 Sportswashing
22 Mar 2025
Contributed by Lukas
Welcome to another episode of Lapped Traffic, a fun bonus episode with some of MJ and Andrea’s closest motorsports friends. Our inner circle, or inn...
Lewis Hamilton Going for EGOT?; IndyCar False Advertising; NASCAR Minus The Wheels
17 Mar 2025
Contributed by Lukas
This week MJ and Andrea recap the first F1 race of 2025, and probably one of the most insane season openers in history, with plenty of rookie mistakes...
Fake Feminism in Motorsports; Oscar Leaving McLaren; Mexico City Race Canceled
10 Mar 2025
Contributed by Lukas
This week MJ and Andrea discuss the NASCAR race in Phoenix and if they think Christopher Bell dominance could bore fans. They also dig into the “fem...
Williams WCC Incoming; Scott Dixon GOAT Confirmed; Jealous Teammate Crashes Connor Zilisch
03 Mar 2025
Contributed by Lukas
Can you believe that this is the first IndyCar recap episode of Laps Down?!? MJ and Andrea covered all the major storylines from the Firestone Grand P...
Lapped Traffic w/ Bri: Leclerc Emojis Translated; NASCAR Newbie; and Scotty Mac’s Tweets
26 Feb 2025
Contributed by Lukas
WELCOME to our first ever episode of Lapped Traffic, a fun bonus episode with some of MJ and Andrea’s closest motorsports friends. Our inner circle,...
Sabrina Carpenter NASCAR WAG; F175 Downfall of F1; IndyCar Beginners Guide
24 Feb 2025
Contributed by Lukas
Was Atlanta an amazing NASCAR race? MJ and Andrea think so! They also talk about the newest WAG rumor, the drama surround F175, and the news of IndyCa...
Daytona Recap; Haas Hate Week; Conor Daly Crypto Drama
17 Feb 2025
Contributed by Lukas
MJ and Andrea talk about their thoughts on the newest drop of F1 race suits, particularly the stunning Alpine pink crop top suits. They also talk abou...
Pato Super Bowl Commercial; No Bottas Butt Calendars; Exiting NASCAR as Fast as Xfinity Internet
10 Feb 2025
Contributed by Lukas
MJ and Andrea talk about their thoughts on the Pato Fox Commercial and propose who they think should get commercials next year (if that is still a thi...
Cook Out Clash Cooked Up Chaos; Vinnie Hacker Formula E Star; Yuki Disrespected by Redbull
03 Feb 2025
Contributed by Lukas
The first race recap of the season MJ and Andrea they talk about the Cookout Clash at Bowman Gray and the chaos (or not-so much chaos) and if this had...
Alex Palou is Sneaky; Charles Leclerc Overlooked?; NASCAR Beginners Guide
27 Jan 2025
Contributed by Lukas
WELCOME TO SEASON 2! For the first episode after the break, MJ and Andrea talk about the viral release of Lewis and his Ferrari testing days, as well ...
Newgarden IndyCar Villain; NASCAR New Rules Cooked; Formula E Mexico Recap
13 Jan 2025
Contributed by Lukas
In this giggly episode MJ and Andrea cover the new IndyCar marketing efforts on FOX socials, they talk the extensive changes to NASCAR rules; and reca...
Motorsports Failing at Marketing; Sponsorship Struggles; Social Media Ruining Racing?
06 Jan 2025
Contributed by Lukas
This is a FULL RUN DOWN on the state of motorsports marketing across F1, IndyCar and NASCAR. MJ and Andrea talk about being motorsport content creator...
Laps Down Awards and 2024 Recap
30 Dec 2024
Contributed by Lukas
The results are in and the audience made their voices heard by voting in the FIRST EVER LAPS DOWN AWARDS! We cover some of the best moments from the F...
F1 Secret Santa; Conor Daly Employed; Monopoly (NASCAR Edition)
23 Dec 2024
Contributed by Lukas
Vote in the Laps Down Awards: https://forms.gle/TWQPqa6dMDVUwbiQThis episode MJ and Andrea talk the love between Carlos Sainz and Brad Pitt, the polit...
Pay Driver Drama; FIA Mandated Community Service; NASCAR Driver on the Pod?
16 Dec 2024
Contributed by Lukas
Link to the Laps Down Awards Voting: https://forms.gle/TWQPqa6dMDVUwbiQ9This week MJ and Andrea covered a new NASCAR marketing strategy that could lea...
Abu Dhabi Grand Prix; Chloe Chambers for WDC; Spooky Indy 500 Trophy
09 Dec 2024
Contributed by Lukas
Andrea and MJ covered this week the terrifying faces on the Borg-Warner Trophy, and whose faces they would like to see on it. They also talk about the...
Qatar GP; Converted to Lando Fans, George and Max DRAMA, Ocon Out?
02 Dec 2024
Contributed by Lukas
MJ and Andrea cover EVERYTHING about this weeks Qatar Grand Prix, including the FIA drama, the Bravo style fighting between Max and George, the contin...
Las Vegas GP Takeover; Tyler Reddick Dancing with DJ Shaq; Conor Daly Commentator Extraordinaire
26 Nov 2024
Contributed by Lukas
MJ and Andrea recap their insane weekend at the Las Vegas Grand Prix and all of the on track and off-track drama that took place. They also talk Tyler...
F1 and IndyCar Crossover, MBS a Goner?, Ultimate Driver Matchups (FT. PODIUM POP)
18 Nov 2024
Contributed by Lukas
This week we are joined by our first GUEST! The amazing duo podcast of Podium Pop sounded off on current events of F1 and Indycar with MJ and Andrea, ...
Joey Logano is Katniss Everdeen; Toto Wolff lives in delusion; Formula E will save us all
11 Nov 2024
Contributed by Lukas
In this episode MJ and Andrea get giggly about the NASCAR Cup Series finals in Phoenix and the resulting win from Joey Logano. Next they cover the mad...
F1 is Rigged; NASCAR is Rigged; Romain Grosjean Costco Sponsorship?
04 Nov 2024
Contributed by Lukas
In this week's episode MJ and Andrea discuss all of the playoff drama from the NASCAR race in Martinsville, that ended with questions on if there...
Mexico F1 Dramatic Battles; Pato Who?; Tyler Reddick Last Lap Hero
28 Oct 2024
Contributed by Lukas
MJ and Andrea give a recap of the Mexico Grand Prix, including the Max Verstappen and Lando Norris penalty drama, the Checo Perez and Liam Lawson beef...
Logano is Last In & First Win; F1 Drama is Hot in Texas; IndyCar Testing
21 Oct 2024
Contributed by Lukas
F1 IS BACK! Andrea and MJ cover all of the drama of COTA, including the controversial FIA decision at the end that may have decided the Drivers Champi...
Rovin’ in the Charlotte Roval; IndyCar and Cowboys Collab; Liam vs Yuki
14 Oct 2024
Contributed by Lukas
MJ and Andrea have LOTS on the agenda this week, including the NASCAR race at the Charlotte Roval, which was an exciting playoff cut-off.*DISCLAIMER: ...
IndyCar Charter System; 23XI and NASCAR Lawsuit; Stake F1 Career Graveyard
07 Oct 2024
Contributed by Lukas
In this episode MJ and Andrea are here to TEACH about the new IndyCar charter system and the ant-trust lawsuit filed against NASCAR. They also weigh t...
Pretend Podcasters to Real Ones; Redbull Drama; IndyCar Silly Season
30 Sep 2024
Contributed by Lukas
In the first episode MJ and Andrea discuss themselves and the inspiration for Laps Down Podcast. Also covered was the Redbull drama and the recent emp...