The social-media ban will be a disaster | Last Orders
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What is the social‑media ban for under‑16s and why is it being proposed?
Yeah, we've become more right wing essentially, I think, in some ways. Miserable might right wing prohibitionists.
Because they keep talking about bloody youth clubs, you know, for young people. And there's nothing more social than the pub, I think, for adults at least.
There's two things that politicians across the divide wanna destroy. It's the internet and pubs, in my opinion.
Do not drink wine and walk in the middle of the road, because apparently that happens all the time.
I think that we've got our title for this episode now. Hello and welcome back to Last Orders. I'm Tom Slater, editor of Spiked, joined as I am in every single episode by Chris Snowden. From the IA, how are you doing, Chris?
Very well, thanks. Got a book out. Got a book out. I forgot to bring it with me. So um So the log rolling is going very well already. Poor promotion. It's got Inside the Sausage Factory. It's a story of my secret life in Brighton. Uh and the on the nightclub scene. Uh and it's pretty racy stuff. No, it's not. If if only it was. It's about uh policymaking in the UK.
It's got terrific it's got a terrific book cover as well, which we should flash up on screen because you brought it with you.
Have a look at that, folks. And yeah, I still got the way to go if you ask me, but
I like it. And we're also delighted to be joined by Maxwell Marlowe from the Adam Smith Institute, the director of public affairs over there. How are you doing, Maxwell? Very well, thank you, Tom. Very well indeed. Great to have you. We've got plenty to talk about. We're going to discuss the social media ban. We're going to pay tribute to the late David Hockney, as well as talking about the never-ending war on pubs. Before we do that though, I just want to remind you all about our very special Brexit anniversary offer. We've made up these beautiful 10 years of Brexit. pint glasses, but you can only get your hands on one if you donate to Spiked. A donation of forty pounds or more will allow you to get your hands on one of these and also support our brilliant work on this podcast and across the site.
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Do you know what else happened ten years ago, Tom? What happened ten years ago? We started this podcast. Has it actually just over ten years ago? May twenty sixteen. That makes me feel very, very old. Very old. And unbelievable that we've been dragging this podcast so long. Talking about essentially the same thing every every two weeks.
Well, you say that, it has morphed over the years. We've m moved into the levy area. Moved into the levy area. There's obviously the COVID period, which took up a lot of time. Also the fact that we've gone from being a libertarian podcast to the most ban happy podcast that exists.
It's the aging process in in microcosm, isn't it?
So, yeah. We've become more right wing essentially, I think. Miserable m right wing prohibitionists. Exactly. So it's uh it's bit it's been a hell of a journey, Chris. I hope you've been it's been emotional. Shall we start with the social media ban Maxwell? Because this is something that the Labour government were toying with for a while, but now they've come out pretty firmly in favour of it and going even further than what seems would be done in Australia. Do you wanna talk us through a little bit about what scant details we have? Yeah, and what you think about it.
So they're calling it Australia Plus. Which we seem to get all of our like horrible nanny state ideas from Australia and we just lump it in over here and obviously it goes as planned, which is terribly. So but yeah, so they basically been under pressure from Mumsnet and the Conservative Party. For somebody of the Conservative Party came out when it was announced and said this is a big victory for us. So I thought you don't really want to put your branding on a big turd like that, to be honest. So so so that's where we are with it. But yes, they've they've said they're going to ban all under sixteen from accessing most end to end user social media, which is stuff like Instagram, Snapchat, uh X for me Twitter, uh Reddit, but not Discord, which I think is fascinating given the sort of stuff that goes on Discord.
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Chapters
8 chapters
1
What is the social‑media ban for under‑16s and why is it being proposed?
0:00–4:47
2
How do Maxwell Marlow and the hosts assess the practical impact of the ban on kids and parents?
4:47–9:13
3
What arguments are made about the effectiveness of age‑based internet restrictions?
9:13–14:56
4
Why do the hosts argue that a blanket ban on social media could backfire?
14:56–20:45
5
How does the discussion shift to David Hockney’s anti‑smoking crusade and its legacy?
20:45–25:38
6
What is the current crisis facing UK pubs and how is government policy contributing?
25:38–30:54
7
Why do the hosts explore the idea of banning ‘slow walkers’ and other quirky bans?
30:54–36:09
8
What final take‑aways and calls to action do the hosts leave listeners with?
36:09–41:25